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Ben Roethlisberger's Case-Condensed

  • Prescott
    Draw your own conclusions.

    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10108/1051441-66.stm
  • Swamp Fox
    It's hard to say. I still think it may be time to deal him for some players who can help the Steelers right away. I think that both sides would be the winners if this was done. The sooner, the better.
  • Prescott
    The Steelers won't trade Roethlisberger. He is a top 10 QB and they would never get equal value.If this story is an accurate breakdown of what is alleged, then Roethlisberger is guilty of being stupid and boorish, but not criminal .

    The one line that I found interesting was this:

    She told him something that officers found perplexing: the woman claimed that she and the 6-foot-5 Mr. Roethlisberger had sex while she was sitting on the toilet.
  • SportsAndLady
    Prescott wrote: He is a top 10 QB
    You can probably take that down to about 4 or 5.
  • BR1986FB
    SportsAndLady wrote:
    Prescott wrote: He is a top 10 QB
    You can probably take that down to about 4 or 5.
    Put him on the Rams or Raiders and see if he's still top 4 or 5 in your eyes. Bet he isn't.
  • SportsAndLady
    BR1986FB wrote: Put him on the Rams or Raiders and see if he's still top 4 or 5 in your eyes. Bet he isn't.
    It's not like the Steelers O-line is good..soooo
  • Nate
    I'd take Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers and Rivers over Ben... I'm sure I could think of more.
  • BR1986FB
    SportsAndLady wrote:
    BR1986FB wrote: Put him on the Rams or Raiders and see if he's still top 4 or 5 in your eyes. Bet he isn't.
    It's not like the Steelers O-line is good..soooo
    He's in the perfect system for his skill set. If he would have come into the league with the Lions, Browns or Rams, I don't think he's the household name that he is today. Just my opinion....
  • jordo212000
    SportsAndLady wrote: You can probably take that down to about 4 or 5.
    Haha, no.... I don't think so. Nice try though.
  • SportsAndLady
    jordo212000 wrote:
    SportsAndLady wrote: You can probably take that down to about 4 or 5.
    Haha, no.... I don't think so. Nice try though.
    His stats sure point to that, and he does have the titles...why is that so outrageous?

    And what do you mean, nice try? It's not like I'm a Steelers fan, nor do I get anything from saying he is top 5... it's just a casual observation.
  • jmog
    Sorry, but anyone who sees Ben as a top 4 or 5 QB is an idiot.

    He's good, top 10ish for sure, I would put him in the 8-12 range but like someone said above...

    Brees, Brady, Manning, Rivers, Rodgers, Favre (if he comes back), and maybe even Schaub are for sure above Roethlesberger.

    After that you can place him in the group with Romo, McNabb, Eli Manning, etc. Ben, even at best, is 7th, given the most optimistic view of him, he's 7th, not 4th or 5th.
  • SportsAndLady
    jmog wrote: Sorry, but anyone who sees Ben as a top 4 or 5 QB is an idiot.
    Maybe he's not 4th or 5th best, but someone who would argue that a QB who threw for over 4000 passing yards, 26 TDs, and 12 INTs and has 2 Super Bowl rings is top 5 certainly isn't an idiot.
  • Automatik
    Manning, Brady, Roethlisberger, Brees......end of argument.

    Although I think you could flip flop Roethlisberger and Brees.

    Schaub? Rodgers? Now that is funny.
  • jordo212000
    SportsAndLady wrote:
    Maybe he's not 4th or 5th best, but someone who would argue that a QB who threw for over 4000 passing yards, 26 TDs, and 12 INTs and has 2 Super Bowl rings is top 5 certainly isn't an idiot.
    Funny how the "ring argument" gets used here, but cannot be used at all in regards to Kobe-Lebron
  • dat dude
    Automatik wrote: Manning, Brady, Roethlisberger, Brees......end of argument.

    Although I think you could flip flop Roethlisberger and Brees.

    Schaub? Rodgers? Now that is funny.
    Schaub may be funny. Rodgers definitely isn't. Most would put him ahead of Ben.
  • SportsAndLady
    jordo212000 wrote:
    SportsAndLady wrote:
    Maybe he's not 4th or 5th best, but someone who would argue that a QB who threw for over 4000 passing yards, 26 TDs, and 12 INTs and has 2 Super Bowl rings is top 5 certainly isn't an idiot.
    Funny how the "ring argument" gets used here, but cannot be used at all in regards to Kobe-Lebron
    No one said it can't be used at all...simply, that you cannot say Kobe is better than Lebron because he has rings and Lebron doesn't. There are many variables involved in that...two completely different situations.
  • jordo212000
    SportsAndLady wrote: You can probably take that down to about 4 or 5.
    Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Phillip Rivers, Tony Romo, and Eli Manning are all better quarterbacks than Roethlisberger.
  • BR1986FB
    I don't know if I'd take Eli Manning over Roethlisberger but I don't think Ben is top 5.
  • jordo212000
    BR1986FB wrote: I don't know if I'd take Eli Manning over Roethlisberger but I don't think Ben is top 5.
    People forget how good Pittsburgh's defense has been and how well they have been coached over the years. You put any halfway decent QB on that team and they can do some damage.
  • SportsAndLady
    jordo212000 wrote:
    SportsAndLady wrote: You can probably take that down to about 4 or 5.
    Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Phillip Rivers, Tony Romo, and Eli Manning are all better quarterbacks than Roethlisberger.
    Cool.

    Thanks for your opinion, I guess?
  • jordo212000
    SportsAndLady wrote:
    Thanks for your opinion, I guess?
    Your welcome... I just figured since you were throwing around opinions as gospel, I should do the same
  • killer_ewok
    Prescott wrote: The Steelers won't trade Roethlisberger. He is a top 10 QB and they would never get equal value.If this story is an accurate breakdown of what is alleged, then Roethlisberger is guilty of being stupid and boorish, but not criminal .

    The one line that I found interesting was this:

    She told him something that officers found perplexing: the woman claimed that she and the 6-foot-5 Mr. Roethlisberger had sex while she was sitting on the toilet.
    That's either one tall shitter or Ben is hung like a horse.
  • SportsAndLady
    jordo212000 wrote:
    SportsAndLady wrote:
    Thanks for your opinion, I guess?
    Your welcome... I just figured since you were throwing around opinions as gospel, I should do the same
    I mean I didn't make the greatest argument in Ben's case, simply because I don't want to take the time to look at all the stats...but I at least threw out a few stats..
  • LJ
    jordo212000 wrote:
    SportsAndLady wrote: You can probably take that down to about 4 or 5.
    Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Phillip Rivers, Tony Romo, and Eli Manning are all better quarterbacks than Roethlisberger.
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  • killer_ewok
    As for the Ben "ranking" argument....I'd say anywhere from 5th-7th sounds about right.