2 gunmen killed outside Muhammad cartoon contest

• isadore

  "GARLAND, Texas (AP) — Authorities in a Dallas suburb say two armed men who opened fire on a security officer outside of a contest for cartoons depictions of the Prophet Muhammad have been killed."
  
  http://news.yahoo.com/officer-shooting-muhammad-cartoon-contest-texas-005227724.html
  
  Gosh a ruddies 2 less peace loving Muslims
• iclfan2

  

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• Belly35

  

  Why is it that in every other shooting situation the race of the shooter and the race of the victim is reported. Media hype
  If the media is going to race bait the public should demand in every shooting situation an standard reporting conduct of shooter/victim race should be reported. Soomer or later the public will become num to the race issue and nobody will care of the race just the situation that created the shooting...
• raiderbuck

  I'm sorry...but just what exactly did they think would happen?
• Zunardo

  I wondered that also. A reasonable person might think that the organizers were hoping that something exactly like this would happen. Suppose those two gunmen had killed any of the event participants. Liability attorneys for their relatives would have a field day with that one. If Jack McCoy were the DA, he'd get creative and charge the organizers with something like 2nd degree murder, depraved indifference, while Adam Schiff would frown and take another hit of Maalox.
• QuakerOats

  http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/05/06/purported-isis-warning-claims-terror-cells-in-place-in-15-states/
• Uz2Bon36

  

  Congrats Texas. Instigate an attack from an extremist Muslim by having this event.
  
  "a contest hosted by the New York-based American Freedom Defense Initiative that would award $10,000 for the best cartoon depicting the Prophet Muhammad."
  
  Every NRA gun loving wack job in Texas attended, along with mass police armed and ready.
  
  Karma will be a bitch.
• QuakerOats

  Uz2Bon36;1726873 wrote:Congrats Texas. Instigate an attack from an extremist Muslim by having this event.
  

  That's funny; I don't recall Christians shooting due to a Maplethorpe exhibit desecrating Jesus.
• Uz2Bon36

  

  QuakerOats;1726882 wrote:That's funny; I don't recall Christians shooting due to a Maplethorpe exhibit desecrating Jesus.

  OK. What is your point?
• iclfan2

  

  Those saying they instigated it, you're saying Muslims just can't help themselves but to cause violence over Mohammed? Only a liberal would blame the people holding this event.
  
  
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• raiderbuck

  iclfan2;1726982 wrote:Those saying they instigated it, you're saying Muslims just can't help themselves but to cause violence over Mohammed? Only a liberal would blame the people holding this event.
  
  
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  I can't speak for others, but I'm blaming the folks that started the event on the simple fact that there was no reason to host it. The only reason it existed was to provoke the followers of Muslim faith. The extremists are the ones who made it violent.
  
  I'd say and believe the same thing if there were picketers outside of the event instead of gunmen.
• Uz2Bon36

  

  iclfan2;1726982 wrote:Those saying they instigated it, you're saying Muslims just can't help themselves but to cause violence over Mohammed?

  Apparently those who approve of the show are not Muslim and don't understand (Muslim beliefs) either.
• QuakerOats

  So Muslim beliefs trump American's rights to freedom of expression etc.... ? Wowzer.
  
  
  Muslims hold women in low regard, and they abhor homosexuals and the idea of gay marriage. Should all of us alter our views on those matters in order to appease Muslims also?
• Uz2Bon36

  

  QuakerOats;1726997 wrote:So Muslim beliefs trump American's rights to freedom of expression etc.... ? Wowzer.
  
  
  Muslims hold women in low regard, and they abhor homosexuals and the idea of gay marriage. Should all of us alter our views on those matters in order to appease Muslims also?

  I don't approve of their actions but to instigate them to react irrationally is the only goal of the American Freedom Defense Initiative. American Freedom Defense Initiative as an "active anti-Muslim group."
  
  I don't agree with both sides.
• isadore

  Should we be blackmailed by the fanaticism of the violent adherents of Islam? The right to criticize any institution is protected in this nation. Muslims are forcing their taboos on all of us by murder and the threat of murder. <o></o>
  
• isadore

  Uz2Bon36;1727043 wrote:I don't approve of theirs actions but to instigate them to react irrationally is the only goal of the American Freedom Defense Initiative. American Freedom Defense Initiative as an "active anti-Muslim group."
  
  I don't agree with both sides.

  Gosh a ruddies these efforts at equivalence are nauseating. They were showing pictures at the convention. The terrorists were armed with several weapons and prepared to slaughter hundreds of people.
• thavoice

  Uz2Bon36;1727043 wrote:I don't approve of theirs actions but to instigate them to react irrationally is the only goal of the American Freedom Defense Initiative. American Freedom Defense Initiative as an "active anti-Muslim group."
  
  I don't agree with both sides.[/QUOTE
  
  
  
  While I wont agree with exactly what you had said, this so called contest main intention was to infuriate them and we have seen how they take this sort of thing. The Navy SEAL, Rob Oneill, who says he killed UBL, also commented that yeah, it is protected speech in the US, that there is no reason to insult the millions of Muslims who are our partners and allies. Yes you can do it, but there is no reason to....'
  
  http://video.foxnews.com/v/4220183132001/report-isis-names-15-specific-states-in-new-threat/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clips

• isadore

  thavoice;1727047 wrote:

  Uz2Bon36;1727043 wrote:I don't approve of theirs actions but to instigate them to react irrationally is the only goal of the American Freedom Defense Initiative. American Freedom Defense Initiative as an "active anti-Muslim group."
  
  I don't agree with both sides.

  
  
  
  While I wont agree with exactly what you had said, this so called contest main intention was to infuriate them and we have seen how they take this sort of thing. The Navy SEAL, Rob Oneill, who says he killed UBL, also commented that yeah, it is protected speech in the US, that there is no reason to insult the millions of Muslims who are our partners and allies. Yes you can do it, but there is no reason to....'
  
  http://video.foxnews.com/v/4220183132001/report-isis-names-15-specific-states-in-new-threat/?playlist_id=2114913880001#sp=show-clips

  Gosh a ruddies lets let Freedom of Speech die a death of 1000 cuts. The right to criticize institutions and its leaders is the reason for the Freedom of Speech. But here is an institution and leader above criticism. A right means less than nothing if it can not be exercised.
• thavoice

  isadore;1727048 wrote:Gosh a ruddies lets let Freedom of Speech die a death of 1000 cuts. The right to criticize institutions and its leaders is the reason for the Freedom of Speech. But here is an institution and leader above criticism. A right means less than nothing if it can not be exercised.

  
  Just because you CAN do something doesnt mean you always should do it.
  
  They do have the freedom to have that contest. More power to them, but they should also know it inflames many and can cause some to go bat shit ballistic.
  
  Just glad there were people there brave enough to gun down those fuckers before they killed a lot of people.
• isadore

  thavoice;1727049 wrote:Just because you CAN do something doesnt mean you always should do it.
  
  They do have the freedom to have that contest. More power to them, but they should also know it inflames many and can cause some to go bat shit ballistic.
  
  Just glad there were people there brave enough to gun down those fuckers before they killed a lot of people.

  Gosh a ruddies, Just because you have freedom of the press doesn't mean you should actually practice it because it might piss someone off, just because you have freedom exercise of religion doesn't mean you should practice it because it might piss someone off. Freedom dies a death of a thousand cuts. After Charlie Hebdo massacre there should have been shows like in every democrat nation in the world and every state in the United States.
• iclfan2

  

  I look at it as thinning out the herd. They had a DRAWING contest. The picture that won wasn't even offensive. Apparently in this country, not baking a cake for gays is being an extremist, but shooting up a cartoon contest in Texas was provoked.
  
  
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• CenterBHSFan

  

  A local (my area) paper's recent article: http://www.theintelligencer.net/page/content.detail/id/632182/Defending-Freedom-Vital-for-Americans.html
  
  *sigh* I can't believe I'm about to say this, but... I agree with Isadore. There. I said it! I hope this never happens again :RpS_glare:
  
  But there is a clear and definite double-standard that is happening in America lately. It's become such a commonplace thing as to be trendy or a fad. And that meme of the moment seems to be that you can say anything you want to/about Christians and Christianity and that's fine. But dammit "don't say a thing about muslims or Islam! You're only going to piss them off!" Or as seen in this thread "What do you think would happen?!"
  
  This is exactly what Islamic extremists want to happen. This line of thinking plays right into their hands. Whether we agree or disagree with art and freedom of speech, we can't avoid it. We can't not do it.
  I don't exactly care for the Piss Christ exhibit, I don't like the burning of the American flag and I certainly wish that people wouldn't talk about Christians like they are dirt not fit to walk on - but guess what? It happens. The moment that Americans become fearful of daring to step on that double standard is the moment that we lose the definition of who we are as a country and as people. It is the moment we let them have sway over us.
  
  Would I ever go to an event like the one held in Texas? No. Just like I would never go to a political protest that features flag burning. Just like I would never go to the Piss Christ exhibit. But if I ever chose to do something like that, I should be able to go freely without the fear of being amidst a slaughter.
  
  When was the last time there was a bombing/shooting/killing at an abortion clinic? Did anybody here post "Well, there shouldn't have been people there." Or "Well, they are only poking the bear by having abortions." Think of the same principle for flag burnings, of art exhibits. Of town hall meetings.
  It is up to us as Americans to not fall for the propaganda of "We can't poke the bear!" That is all.
• raiderbuck

  iclfan2;1727053 wrote:I look at it as thinning out the herd. They had a DRAWING contest. The picture that won wasn't even offensive. Apparently in this country, not baking a cake for gays is being an extremist, but shooting up a cartoon contest in Texas was provoked.
  
  
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  This, unfortunately, is a prime example of the ignorance surround Islamic beliefs. It's been well documented that Muslims, even peaceful ones, denounce any drawings or artistry depicting the image of the prophet Muhammad. Shit, Seth McFarlane got flack for it during a Family Guy episode.
  

  CenterBHSFan;1727148 wrote:A local (my area) paper's recent article: http://www.theintelligencer.net/page/content.detail/id/632182/Defending-Freedom-Vital-for-Americans.html
  
  *sigh* I can't believe I'm about to say this, but... I agree with Isadore. There. I said it! I hope this never happens again :RpS_glare:
  
  But there is a clear and definite double-standard that is happening in America lately. It's become such a commonplace thing as to be trendy or a fad. And that meme of the moment seems to be that you can say anything you want to/about Christians and Christianity and that's fine. But dammit "don't say a thing about muslims or Islam! You're only going to piss them off!" Or as seen in this thread "What do you think would happen?!"
  
  This is exactly what Islamic extremists want to happen. This line of thinking plays right into their hands. Whether we agree or disagree with art and freedom of speech, we can't avoid it. We can't not do it.
  I don't exactly care for the Piss Christ exhibit, I don't like the burning of the American flag and I certainly wish that people wouldn't talk about Christians like they are dirt not fit to walk on - but guess what? It happens. The moment that Americans become fearful of daring to step on that double standard is the moment that we lose the definition of who we are as a country and as people. It is the moment we let them have sway over us.
  
  Would I ever go to an event like the one held in Texas? No. Just like I would never go to a political protest that features flag burning. Just like I would never go to the Piss Christ exhibit. But if I ever chose to do something like that, I should be able to go freely without the fear of being amidst a slaughter.
  
  When was the last time there was a bombing/shooting/killing at an abortion clinic? Did anybody here post "Well, there shouldn't have been people there." Or "Well, they are only poking the bear by having abortions." Think of the same principle for flag burnings, of art exhibits. Of town hall meetings.
  It is up to us as Americans to not fall for the propaganda of "We can't poke the bear!" That is all.

  My point to this is that free speech isn't a shield that can be used to spew obvious hate. What if this were a Klan rally? Or a Neo-Nazi rally? A couple gunmen go in and try to shoot up a Westboro Baptist rally and we'd be praising the gunmen. The relating factor here is that all of these organizations operate under the protection of free speech. Just because you can , doesn't mean you should.
• isadore

  raiderbuck;1727159 wrote:This, unfortunately, is a prime example of the ignorance surround Islamic beliefs. It's been well documented that Muslims, even peaceful ones, denounce any drawings or artistry depicting the image of the prophet Muhammad. Shit, Seth McFarlane got flack for it during a Family Guy episode.
  
  
  
  My point to this is that free speech isn't a shield that can be used to spew obvious hate. What if this were a Klan rally? Or a Neo-Nazi rally? A couple gunmen go in and try to shoot up a Westboro Baptist rally and we'd be praising the gunmen. The relating factor here is that all of these organizations operate under the protection of free speech. Just because you can , doesn't mean you should.

  Gosh a ruddies support for slaughter. Hopefully in America no one would be cheering the slaughter of people for exercising their free speech. That of course would justify people supporting the slaughter of the Charlie Hebdo folks just because what cartoonist drew was offensive to them. <o></o>
  If you say, write or draw this we will kill you and so you don&#8217;t. That is the beginning of the end of free speech when it is limited by the threat of violence. In every free nation in the world there should be contests to draw the Prophet in order to assert this basic right of demoncracy.<o></o>
  
• raiderbuck

  isadore;1727166 wrote:Gosh a ruddies support for slaughter. Hopefully in America no one would be cheering the slaughter of people for exercising their free speech. That of course would justify people supporting the slaughter of the Charlie Hebdo folks just because what cartoonist drew was offensive to them. <o></o
  If you say, write or draw this we will kill you and so you don&#8217;t. That is the beginning of the end of free speech when it is limited by the threat of violence. In every free nation in the world there should be contests to draw the Prophet in order to assert this basic right of demoncracy.<o></o

  The First Amendment also protects freedom of religion. Also, I think you're confusing my opposition to this event as support for extremist behavior. Which I do not. See below:
  

  raiderbuck;1726987 wrote:I can't speak for others, but I'm blaming the folks that started the event on the simple fact that there was no reason to host it. The only reason it existed was to provoke the followers of Muslim faith. The extremists are the ones who made it violent.
  
  I'd say and believe the same thing if there were picketers outside of the event instead of gunmen.