Walter Scott

• BoatShoes

  Belly35;1719879 wrote:Many wrong don't make it right...
  Let count the wrongs and maybe add some:
  Guy get out from his car ... Officer should have never let that happen ( where was back up)
  Out of his car and then was tasered ... I think not, maybe tried but missed (where is back up)
  Guy takes off running ... (where is back up)
  Catches up with him and does bring him to the ground .... Standard operation run you're go to the ground (where is back)
  Guy take off running again ..... How far can a fat ass run (where back up)
  
  From the start this was not going to end well for both.....
  
  I'm not defending the officer but here is a situation where different protocol should be used....
  
  In today society and with the disrespect for the law and those the enforce the law, the brashness of criminals, minor offenders and crazy behavior ...
  Police departments and Communities needs to understand the potential issue police protection and enforcement, the cost will be high but two Offices per car patrolling is a must. Another option is back up with every traffic stop…. Until the situation is under control.
  Third option would be volunteered, trained Civilians Police Assistant Observers. CPAO
  Licensed CPAO individuals, that monitors police, ems, fire calls, when in an area shows up to assist the situation as an observer ( CCW trained, ex military, cop, fire or ems) only to assist if required… Sound crazy but the more people in our society that are will to get involved the less crime and less situation like this will happen.
  
  
  One other point: How many time have we hear this ; ran because feared going go to jail for some other meaningless crime… Time the legal system start to clean up the minor crime and make the punishment harsh, quick and effective.
  Back child support …. This should have been handled long before someone is dead.. and another for murder.

  This thread is a good example of why JustinCredible should definitely not shut the site down and it is worth while to stop by occasionally.
  
  It is always entertaining when, even when there is clear and convincing evidence with little room for debate (unlike other recently similar incidents) that a government agent killed a citizen with impunity when the folks who persistently rant about "teh gubmint" over in the poli forum go out of their way to turn the tread into a lecture about personal responsibility and respect for the law and authority, etc.
  
  
  I've seen some pretty crazy things in my life but that video - with that cop so calmly and deliberately unloading into that dude - was utterly chilling. It makes me sad.
• jmog

  I have a similar question as sleeper.
  
  If I was about to be arrested for something serious and there are multiple cops coming to arrest me with guns drawn.
  
  Liberal logic would state that if I have no weapon and just take off running, if I am faster than the cops I am 'ok'. The cops can do nothing unless they can catch up to me and physically bring me to the ground/arrest me.
  
  Are cops ONLY allowed to fire their weapon if they feel they or someone else is in immediate danger? What if my crime was serious and the cops felt that me being out on the street (running) could cause some danger (although not immediate) to others (say I was accused of rape or murder).
  
  I am now just waiting for the "well shoot him in the leg response".
  
  P.S.-I am NOT referring to this case, evidence shows that the cop is a murderer. I am speaking in general.
• sleeper

  

  Heretic;1720618 wrote:Well, I do notice that people who live off the !!!!HOT TAEKS!!!! tend to struggle with reading comprehension, so fair enough.

  Not interested in hot takes. I'm interested in understanding your issues with the justice system and how political affiliation has anything to do with that. This guy isn't going to be trial decided by a governor or Congress, but by a jury of his peers. Do you know how the justice system works? It's about as unbiased as you can get; so sorry the actual outcomes aren't equal.
• BoatShoes

  sleeper;1720578 wrote:I disagree. I would be willing to bet a good chunk of money that the level of mathematical understanding correlates highly with income level. Not every smart person is good at math, but you can be certain that almost every dumb person is terrible at math.
  
  If we made people take a math test in order to vote, this country would be better off. Now cue the real racists who say having a math test in order to vote will hurt minorities and women because apparently liberals think minorities and women are stupid and can't do math.

  I disagree. I think Belly35 should be able to vote.
• Automatik

  

  sleeper;1720610 wrote:Agreed. In this situation, I think the officer is guilty based on the evidence that I have seen. However, the key for me is the how the event was handled, not simply "OMG HE WAS SHOT IN THE BACK WHILE RUNNING AWAY!@!3". If the officer had given an order to stop and get on the ground multiple times and then made a decision to fire the weapon, my tune would change dramatically. I would support the officer and instantly be labeled a racist because I'm white and am siding with a white cop.

  
  If this happened and he still fired 8 rounds resulting in death, I believe the officer would still be royally fucked. Back turned, running away and where was the "significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or other"?
• sleeper

  

  jmog;1720620 wrote:I have a similar question as sleeper.
  
  If I was about to be arrested for something serious and there are multiple cops coming to arrest me with guns drawn.
  
  Liberal logic would state that if I have no weapon and just take off running, if I am faster than the cops I am 'ok'. The cops can do nothing unless they can catch up to me and physically bring me to the ground/arrest me.
  
  Are cops ONLY allowed to fire their weapon if they feel they or someone else is in immediate danger? What if my crime was serious and the cops felt that me being out on the street (running) could cause some danger (although not immediate) to others (say I was accused of rape or murder).
  
  I am now just waiting for the "well shoot him in the leg response".
  
  P.S.-I am NOT referring to this case, evidence shows that the cop is a murderer. I am speaking in general.

  I believe the liberal logic in this case is that the officer had his information and could have rounded him up at a later date instead of pursuing him right there and then. This is so brutally stupid but then again this is liberal SJW logic who want to trumpet a false narrative rather than propose real solutions that account for personal responsibility rather than blaming someone else for your failures.
• Heretic

  

  sleeper;1720621 wrote:Not interested in hot takes. I'm interested in understanding your issues with the justice system and how political affiliation has anything to do with that. This guy isn't going to be trial decided by a governor or Congress, but by a jury of his peers. Do you know how the justice system works? It's about as unbiased as you can get; so sorry the actual outcomes aren't equal.

  And I'm trying to figure out how anything I said on this thread can be construed as me having an issue with the justice system or anything else you're babbling about. You seem to be entering the ISADORE ZONE again where you're just debating stuff that pops into your head, regardless of what it has to do with anything.
• HitsRus

  

  Heretic;1720596 wrote:LOL. Conservatives trust in the system, as long as the people in charge of the system are the ones they personally want. Because when I go to the poli forum here, I don't seem to see all that much trust being shown by site conservatives.
  
  But...nice try on the blanket generalization. It may have taken a full half-second to see through it and start laughing.

  I 'm talking about "the system" , not who is in charge. BHO and Eric Holder are " in charge"... Did Muchael Brown get justice?
• Heretic

  

  HitsRus;1720627 wrote:I 'm talking about "the system" , not who is in charge. BHO and Eric Holder are " in charge"... Did Muchael Brown get justice?

  A system is composed of people. The people who are in charge have a degree of control over the system and how it operates. Ergo, to have faith in the system (unless you're talking about a big picture thing over a century or so), you have to have faith in the people with the most control over it.
• BoatShoes

  HitsRus;1720595 wrote:I'm not sure why politics has anything to do with commission of a crime, yet it does. Some one is either guilty or not based on evidence and it would be wrong to base a decision on anything else. Politics enetrs the equation by the perception of the viewer. Conservatives trust in the system to deliver appropriate results, whether it be the justice system, the free market system, etc. Liberals have no such trust...the justice sysytem is racist and flawed...government must level the playing field economically, etc.

  
  LOL Wut??? So now Conservatives trust in the Government? This incident should make you outraged based on everything you always write over in the other forum. What are you even talking about? Pretty sure the whole modern conservative movement is based on the whole, you know "government is the problem" idea. But oh that's right, we're talking about a cop killing a minor law breaker here so instead of focusing on how unjust this action on the part of the government is...we'll totally derail the topic and start talking about completely tangential nonsense like Liberulz not respecting gubmint authority!
  
  Lol thanks for the laugh! Maybe I'll see you at the tribe game!
• Automatik

  

  sleeper;1720625 wrote:I believe the liberal logic in this case is that the officer had his information and could have rounded him up at a later date instead of pursuing him right there and then. This is so brutally stupid but then again this is liberal SJW logic who want to trumpet a false narrative rather than propose real solutions that account for personal responsibility rather than blaming someone else for your failures.

  Interesting. In your opinion, what is the "conservative logic" in this situation?
• sleeper

  

  Automatik;1720631 wrote:Interesting. In your opinion, what is the "conservative logic" in this situation?

  No need to label something as conservative logic. There is logic and then there is liberal logic. Liberal logic is ironic at best and fraud at worst. Actual logic dictates that you don't run from cops regardless of any perceived injustice or mistreatment.
• jmog

  BoatShoes;1720630 wrote:LOL Wut??? So now Conservatives trust in the Government? This incident should make you outraged based on everything you always write over in the other forum. What are you even talking about? Pretty sure the whole modern conservative movement is based on the whole, you know "government is the problem" idea. But oh that's right, we're talking about a cop killing a minor law breaker here so instead of focusing on how unjust this action on the part of the government is...we'll totally derail the topic and start talking about completely tangential nonsense like Liberulz not respecting gubmint authority!
  
  Lol thanks for the laugh! Maybe I'll see you at the tribe game!

  As opposed to the liberals who LOVE big government and at the same time hate the cops?
• HitsRus

  

  BoatShoes;1720630 wrote:LOL Wut??? So now Conservatives trust in the Government? This incident should make you outraged based on everything you always write over in the other forum. What are you even talking about? Pretty sure the whole modern conservative movement is based on the whole, you know "government is the problem" idea. But oh that's right, we're talking about a cop killing a minor law breaker here so instead of focusing on how unjust this action on the part of the government is...we'll totally derail the topic and start talking about completely tangential nonsense like Liberulz not respecting gubmint authority!
  
  Lol thanks for the laugh! Maybe I'll see you at the tribe game!

  ....talking about trust in the system of government and the rule of law as outlined by the Constitution.
• Heretic

  

  Automatik;1720631 wrote:Interesting. In your opinion, what is the "conservative logic" in this situation?

  To cry about liberals. This situation is one that, for his faults, the black guy was the victim and the white cop was at fault, so...just cry about liberals. That'll take the sting away.
• Heretic

  

  jmog;1720638 wrote:As opposed to the liberals who LOVE big government and at the same time hate the cops?

  True. Both sides have their element of hypocrisy. It just is funny when one side tries to paint the other as having a monopoly on that stupidity.
• sleeper

  

  Heretic;1720640 wrote:To cry about liberals. This situation is one that, for his faults, the black guy was the victim and the white cop was at fault, so...just cry about liberals. That'll take the sting away.

  Seems as if liberals are always interested in making non-issues into issues for political gain. Sorry for proposing actual solutions to perceived inequality instead of just blaming white people and hoping for a change while at the same time dismissing facts, logic, and reason to any discussion.
• Ytowngirlinfla

  

  sleeper;1720645 wrote:Seems as if liberals are always interested in making non-issues into issues for political gain. Sorry for proposing actual solutions to perceived inequality instead of just blaming white people and hoping for a change while at the same time dismissing facts, logic, and reason to any discussion.

  Republicans do the same shit.
• iclfan2

  

  The whole premise of #blacklivesmatters pisses me off. It is blatantly racist, since they only care about themselves. Don't forget that more whites are killed by cops then blacks, let's just make it a race issue at all times. It is a joke. And then the clown Sharpton comes to town, even though the family doesn't want him here.
  
  Also, the leader of Charleston's #blacklivesmatter isn't even from here. He is an imported protestor and just shows you how shitty this organization is.
• HitsRus

  

  Ytowngirlinfla;1720792 wrote:Republicans do the same shit.

  Example, please.
• Ytowngirlinfla

  

  HitsRus;1720806 wrote:Example, please.

  Anything to do with gays getting married, abortions, etc. You can go on and on with the republicans just as much as the democrats.
• sleeper

  

  Ytowngirlinfla;1720812 wrote:Anything to do with gays getting married, abortions, etc. You can go on and on with the republicans just as much as the democrats.

  Really? I don't see Republicans race baiting abortions or gay marriage.
• Belly35

  

  BoatShoes;1720622 wrote:I disagree. I think Belly35 should be able to vote.

  challenge you to a game of 8 ball ... Or billards
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  sleeper;1720568 wrote:The fact that this is national news goes to show it doesn't happen very often. What in the last 2 years we've had 5 black people get shot by a white cop/dude and only 1 actually had any evidence that corroborated something other than the white dudes story? This is a non-issue. Maybe the real issue here is that black people don't respect cops due to a self fulfilling prophecy of pretending cops are out to get them; here's a hint, this isn't the 1950's.
  
  Here's my solution: Instead of black people being taught that cops are racist and they want to shoot you because they are black, we should teach black people that the best way to handle an interaction with a cop is to obey their orders verbatim, and if you feel mistreated you can file a complaint/go to the media to get the issue investigated and resolved. I mean, this is common sense to me but apparently black people just want to blame white people for their own problems rather than accepting responsibility for being completely stupid with cops.

  No kidding. When will these blacks ever learn to respect cops. Only them.
  
  http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/03/22/wal-mart-brawl-leaves-one-dead-office-shot/25191099/
• superman

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1720881 wrote:No kidding. When will these blacks ever learn to respect cops. Only them.
  
  http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/03/22/wal-mart-brawl-leaves-one-dead-office-shot/25191099/

  Oh, oh, I found an exception. You must be wrong.