Malaysia Airlines Plane confirmed shot down over Ukraine

• Manhattan Buckeye

  No reason to make this political.
  
  Obama and the administration are going to face enough grief on this. IMO it is deserved since the administration has been so weak (alright, that's sort of political) on dealing with Russia, and this only exacerbates the situation. But (I think do think it is a coincidence) another Malaysian flight fell and 295 people died senselessly. And the developed world is noticing this. That could have easily been BA, or Lufthansa, or Sing Air, Qantas, or even an Emirates flight that was in the airspace path.
  
  The international response should be strong, not a tweet from Martha's Vineyard.
• HitsRus

  

  I said earlier in the thread...

  Well, at least he's not going to a Vegas fundraiser....absolutely NOTHING can interfere with that.

  ...apparently the fundraiser tonite is in NYC.
• Mulva

  

  Manhattan Buckeye;1636982 wrote:This isn't meant to be political, but does it seem to everyone else that the world is spinning apart?
  
  I'm not old enough to remember the turbulent 60's, but am old enough to remember the Cold War and this era seems to surpass it in uncertainty. We're seeing:
  
  -Russia/Ukraine crisis with an embiggened (it is a perfectly cromulent word) Russia that has no fear of the US and our allies
  -Israel/Gaza conflict
  -General North Korea idiocy
  -Inability to secure the US borders resulting in a humanitarian crisis - and immigration issues in Western Europe, particularly the UK
  -India/Pakistan continuing debacle
  -US and allies still in Afghanistan
  -An economy that is supported primarily by historically and artificially low interest rates
  -Rampant inflation in basic consumer goods and education costs resulting in record debt levels
  -NSA spying even on our allies and own citizens
  
  Am I missing anything else? Again, not being political (as much as possible) but I hardly believe this was the hope and change that the world has been expecting.

  Seems to me that most of that stuff was happening throughout the Cold War era (especially from the late 70s on), except it was Russia in Afghanistan and interest rates were historically high instead of low.
  
  The Israeli-Palistinian thing has been going on since Israel was declared a state, India and Pakistan have been going at it for decades, North Korea has had insane leaders for decades, and the US government has always spied on citizens in some form or another. The more things change...
• Ytowngirlinfla

  

  Why is Fox the only one reporting the 23 Americans? Why are they holding back on American passengers?
• like_that

  

  Mohican00;1636965 wrote:- plane reportedly shot down
  
  - OC wants to bitch about the president's reaction
  
  -Mohican quickly finds a way to get on his knees for incompetent president
  

  Sounds about right.
• HelloAgain

  No worries, Bush stared into Putin's eyes and could tell he was a good man. I'm sure Vladimir will do the right thing
• Manhattan Buckeye

  "interest rates were historically high instead of low."
  
  No kidding about that, dad bought a Chevy Blazer at the low, low, low rates of 7.9% around 1985. He thought it was the deal of the century.
  
  Times have certainly changed!
• HelloAgain

  
• Mohican00

  

  like_that;1637017 wrote:Sounds about right.

  I would rather center the discussion around the incident and not lessen it with inane political cheap shots. Instead it has devolved into anti-Obama shitfest with you and your ilk knob-slobbing each other over what he said.
  
  Anyway, some think the Russians fucked up and accidentally shot it down
  

  "It wasn't the separatists, although Russia will try to blame them, or blame the Ukrainians," Peters said. "The Russians have not given the separatists complex, high-altitude air-defense systems. If this airliner was flying at 34,000 feet or any altitude close to that, it was shot down by Russian military air-defense systems perched on the Ukrainian border."
  Peters said the Russian military has been shooting down Ukrainian military aircraft in recent weeks, and most likely mistook the airliner for a Ukrainian military aircraft.
  

  http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/07/17/malaysia-airlines-passenger-jet-shot-down-over-ukraine/
  
  
  
• ts1227

  

  Ytowngirlinfla;1637012 wrote:Why is Fox the only one reporting the 23 Americans? Why are they holding back on American passengers?

  The other networks are probably waiting for actual facts
• SportsAndLady

  

  ts1227;1637029 wrote:The other networks are probably waiting for actual facts

  Lol yeah, because other news networks are allllllll about facts.
• Manhattan Buckeye

  "Instead it has devolved into anti-Obama shitfest with you and your ilk knob-slobbing each other over what he said."
  
  Political forum.
  
  And this part of being the President, regardless of how much it cramps his Martha's Vineyard style. You are the chief executive and a huge part of our world geography is hanging by a thread. Other Presidents have had to deal with this.
• Mohican00

  

  Manhattan Buckeye;1637034 wrote:And this part of being the President, regardless of how much it cramps his Martha's Vineyard style. You are the chief executive and a huge part of our world geography is hanging by a thread. Other Presidents have had to deal with this.

  Well then talk about how the president will/could/should handle it and bring the conversation (lol) back to what happened. And learn how to use the fucking quote function
• sherm03

  

  QuakerOats;1636963 wrote:And then proceeded with jokes and prepared remarks. What a complete embarrassment to The Office.
  
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2696366/It-looks-like-terrible-tragedy-Obama-briefly-addresses-Malaysian-plane-crash-emerges-23-U-S-passengers-board.html

  I didn't watch the video. He embarrassed The Office, though? Did he not use a "That's what she said" joke correctly during the speech?
• Manhattan Buckeye

  Mohican00;1637036 wrote:Well then talk about how the president will/could/should handle it and bring the conversation (lol) back to what happened. And learn how to use the fucking quote function

  
  With dignity and directness that this activity shouldn't be tolerated. History has shown his experience, or lack thereof in the past - can we talk about the "shout-out" to some American Indian jokingly after the Army base shootings at Ft. W]Hood?
  
  There is a place for decorum. Say what you will about the British Royal Family, they at least they act with class and proper dignity. If perhaps our Commander in Chief had some more experience, and well, anything, he'd represent our country better.
  
  - edit, does my use of the quote function work to your benefit, Mohican...god your posts are terrible
• SportsAndLady

  

  Aaaaaand that's British dick
• Manhattan Buckeye

  In their official capacity....Jesus Christ on a tractor, do people realize how big of a deal this is? You have to go back to 1988 to get the US-Iran incident (which at least had some semblance of context), and before that the Russian-Korean incidents.
  
  If reports are correct, Russian separatists killed nearly 300 people on a passenger flight. What if that was a British Airways flight? We'd be dangerously close to WWIII.
• like_that

  

  Mohican00;1637028 wrote:I would rather center the discussion around the incident and not lessen it with inane political cheap shots. Instead it has devolved into anti-Obama shitfest with you and your ilk knob-slobbing each other over what he said.
  
  Anyway, some think the Russians fucked up and accidentally shot it down
  
  
  
  http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/07/17/malaysia-airlines-passenger-jet-shot-down-over-ukraine/
  
  
  

  I haven't commented on Obama's comments. You do go out of your way to blindly defend him though. I honestly dgaf who the president is, that response from a POTUS is just pathetic.
• shook_17

  

  Where are you guys seeing 23 Americans were killed in this plane crash? CNN is saying no Americans to report yet?
• Classyposter58

  

  Manhattan Buckeye;1637053 wrote:In their official capacity....Jesus Christ on a tractor, do people realize how big of a deal this is? You have to go back to 1988 to get the US-Iran incident (which at least had some semblance of context), and before that the Russian-Korean incidents.
  
  If reports are correct, Russian separatists killed nearly 300 people on a passenger flight. What if that was a British Airways flight? We'd be dangerously close to WWIII.

  Who says this doesn't push us towards it? Honestly WWI was started by an assassination on the Austrian heir by a Serb
• fish82

  

  TedSheckler;1636988 wrote:Obama calls the shot down plane a "terrible tragedy". Flying into a mountain with no visibility is a tragedy. Missiles aren't tragedy. It's murder.

  This.
  
  Obie is getting buttfuked on the Twitter right now...and rightfully so. Pretty idiotic statement on his part.
• Mulva

  

  shook_17;1637058 wrote:Where are you guys seeing 23 Americans were killed in this plane crash? CNN is saying no Americans to report yet?

  Reuters reported it. Hasn't been "officially" verified yet.
• Mohican00

  

  Manhattan Buckeye;1637044 wrote:edit, does my use of the quote function work to your benefit, Mohican...god your posts are terrible

  something something Royal Family. neat
  
  I'm just happy you were able to quote me properly. You're getting pretty good at this internet thing.
• QuakerOats

  ts1227;1637029 wrote:The other networks are probably waiting for actual facts

  
  Too funny.
  
  Now back to reality; US already said plane was shot down. Amazing how that happens in less than 24 hours, halfway around the world. Yet, TWA 800 (which was downed in the same manner) was magically left to flutter away over several years, while more convenient excuses were drafted and peddled.
• salto

  

  Tigerfan00;1636993 wrote:Did salto/Said think it was funny that people died?

  Maybe if you were the only person on the plane.