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horrifying execution ... what about the victim

  • Belly35
    Murder got a fair trial and was convicted...

    Belly option agenda ... Murder here is your option:
    1. Injection ...
    2. Same method that you killed the victim .. you will die and left to suffer and bleed out
    3. Citizen firing squad where lottery ticket sold to benfit the victims family

    Murder you make the call ... think about you have 24 hours hope this helps


    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/20/shortage-lethal-drugs-ugly-ohio-execution-re-ignites-death-penalty-debate/
  • thavoice
    1.
  • queencitybuckeye
    How about acknowledging that it's a waste of time and money?
  • Dr Winston O'Boogie
    My opinion is that the death penalty fails in its two purposes: deterrent and punishment. That murders still happen despite active executions is proof of the first failure. As for the second, the horror of murder is that it can never be properly punished. It's what makes it this worst type of crime/sin.

    We acknowledge the brutality of killing people, so we don't allow violent and bloody execution methods. But this shows the flaw in it all - you can't be a little bit humane when taking a life.

    I desire a society that does not lower itself to doing this I accept that murder is horrible because it can never be made up for. I also believe that a just culture does not allow emotions and victims' desires to make precedent. If I ever lost a loved one to murder, I'd want vengeance - and maybe I'd take it myself. But I don't believe society should do it on my behalf.
  • thavoice
    Dr Winston O'Boogie;1570196 wrote:My opinion is that the death penalty fails in its two purposes: deterrent and punishment. That murders till happen despite active executions is proof of the first failure. As for the second, the horror of murder is that it can never be properly punished. That is the true crime - society or the victim can never be made whole. It's what makes it this worst type of crime/sin.

    As a society, we chose to attempt these two goals over and over again. We acknowledge the brutality of killing people, so we don't allow violent and bloody execution methods. We try for a humane approach. But this shows the fallacy of the equation - you can't be a little bit humane when taking a life. It is the thing that it is no matter how you get there.

    I desire a society that does not lower itself to doing the act a criminal has done. I accept that murder is horrible because it can never be made up for. I also believe that a just culture does not allow emotions and victims' desires to make precedent. If I ever lost a loved one to murder, I'd want vengeance - and maybe I'd take it myself. But I don't believe society should do it on my behalf.
    Not quite sure how much of a deterrant it is to be honest with ya. If someone is wanting to kill another person I dont think the thought of death penalty stops them.
  • TedSheckler
    It wasn't horrifying. He was under anesthesia and didn't feel a thing. It was only 11 minutes longer than a normal lethal injection.

    http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/20/bedford-the-truth-about-the-long-execution-of-mr-mcguire/

    Put the family's lawsuit in the "Tough Shit" file.
  • queencitybuckeye
    ccrunner609;1570199 wrote:Don't rape and murder someone and you wont get executed.

    This is one of the other problems with the death penalty. Your sentence is simply not true.
  • thavoice
    ccrunner609;1570201 wrote:the only problem with using the death penalty is the length of time it takes. It would work real well if you were taken out back and put down right after the trial.
    Agreed.

    I also wonder what percentage of those people who commit murder are even executed? Very, very, very few. So few in fact that it is in no way a deterrant.
  • WebFire
    Dr Winston O'Boogie;1570196 wrote:My opinion is that the death penalty fails in its two purposes: deterrent and punishment. That murders still happen despite active executions is proof of the first failure. As for the second, the horror of murder is that it can never be properly punished. It's what makes it this worst type of crime/sin.

    We acknowledge the brutality of killing people, so we don't allow violent and bloody execution methods. But this shows the flaw in it all - you can't be a little bit humane when taking a life.

    I desire a society that does not lower itself to doing this I accept that murder is horrible because it can never be made up for. I also believe that a just culture does not allow emotions and victims' desires to make precedent. If I ever lost a loved one to murder, I'd want vengeance - and maybe I'd take it myself. But I don't believe society should do it on my behalf.

    There is a 3rd and 4th purpose that are just as important though.

    3. Rid the world of these people.
    4. Spare the expense of jailing them for life.

    Death penalty succeeds in these purposes.
  • Heretic
    Belly35;1570186 wrote:Murder got a fair trial and was convicted...

    Belly option agenda ... Murder here is your option:
    1. Injection ...
    2. Same method that you killed the victim .. you will die and left to suffer and bleed out
    3. Citizen firing squad where lottery ticket sold to benfit the victims family

    Murder you make the call ... think about you have 24 hours hope this helps


    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/20/shortage-lethal-drugs-ugly-ohio-execution-re-ignites-death-penalty-debate/
    Odds that Belly felt a tingle in his nether-regions while typing #3? Well, besides 100%.
  • thavoice
    WebFire;1570210 wrote:There is a 3rd and 4th purpose that are just as important though.

    3. Rid the world of these people.
    4. Spare the expense of jailing them for life.

    Death penalty succeeds in these purposes.
    Some say that it is more expensive to execute them. I dont know how that is true, but have heard that often.
  • queencitybuckeye
    ccrunner609;1570207 wrote:with todays current science behind verdicts........the number of actually innocent people on death row is minimal.
    Based on the fact that it offers no practical value, the "minimal" innocents killed by it produce a net negative.
  • queencitybuckeye
    WebFire;1570210 wrote:There is a 3rd and 4th purpose that are just as important though.

    3. Rid the world of these people.
    4. Spare the expense of jailing them for life.

    Death penalty succeeds in these purposes.
    You couldn't be more wrong on #4. The costs aren't remotely comparable.
  • justincredible
    ccrunner609;1570207 wrote:with todays current science behind verdicts........the number of actually innocent people on death row is minimal.
    Any more than zero is absolutely unacceptable.
  • queencitybuckeye
    ccrunner609;1570201 wrote:the only problem with using the death penalty is the length of time it takes. It would work real well if you were taken out back and put down right after the trial.
    and the number of innocent people put to death would skyrocket.
  • WebFire
    queencitybuckeye;1570218 wrote:You couldn't be more wrong on #4. The costs aren't remotely comparable.
    I just don't know how that could be the case. Can you provide some numbers?
  • WebFire
    queencitybuckeye;1570218 wrote:You couldn't be more wrong on #4. The costs aren't remotely comparable.
    And if you're comparing court time, then I would say they need to fix that. That's a problem in itself.
  • queencitybuckeye
    WebFire;1570228 wrote:I just don't know how that could be the case. Can you provide some numbers?
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/29552692/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/execute-or-not-question-cost/#.Ut6yDPso69I
  • queencitybuckeye
    justincredible;1570222 wrote:Any more than zero is absolutely unacceptable.
    That's the foundation of our legal system. For some, only until it becomes inconvenient.
  • WebFire
    Just a quick Google search nets arguments for both sides of this. So I would say you couldn't be more wrong about me not being more wrong.
  • queencitybuckeye
    WebFire;1570234 wrote:Just a quick Google search nets arguments for both sides of this. So I would say you couldn't be more wrong about me not being more wrong.
    Actually read the material, and get back to me. I can do a Google search and find out the 9/11 was an inside job, that man has never been to the moon, and that the world is flat.
  • WebFire
    queencitybuckeye;1570235 wrote:Actually read the material, and get back to me.
    Ok. I still don't think it's right.

    http://dbp.idebate.org/en/index.php/Argument:_Executions_are_no_more_costly_than_life_in_prison
  • WebFire
    queencitybuckeye;1570235 wrote:Actually read the material, and get back to me.
    And like I said, if that is true, the process needs fixed. Not the punishment.
  • queencitybuckeye
    You're more determined to confirm your preconceptions than to actually care about the facts. You just said in effect "I don't think I'm wrong, but even if I am, I'm not changing my mind".
  • queencitybuckeye
    WebFire;1570239 wrote:And like I said, if that is true, the process needs fixed. Not the punishment.
    Why?