Knockout game...can someone explain why this one is a 'hate crime'?

• TedSheckler

  

  It's obvious, but so are these...
  
  Not hate crimes:
  
  http://kstp.com/article/stories/s3187208.shtml "white bitch"
  
  http://www.wnd.com/2013/10/active-duty-vet-dead-after-racially-tinged-stabbing/ "shouted a racial comment toward the white soldiers"
  
  http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3059964/posts “white bitch”
  
  http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/black-mob-murders-man-in-surprising-place/ “Beat Whitey Night”
  
  http://whitegirlbleedalot.com/black-mob-violence-in-wisconsin-some-links/ "White girl bleed a lot"
• rmolin73

  

  Your point being?
• Mulva

  

  TedSheckler;1558314 wrote:I think this thug should get nailed too. What's not clear is why this guy deserves federal charges and the others don't.

  Hate crime law is stupid to begin with, but if it's going to be enforced then I agree with this.
  
  "Why is this a hate crime" is a dumb question. "Why isn't it when the situation is reversed" is not. I don't believe premeditated video recording is mentioned in any statute.
• TedSheckler

  

  rmolin73;1558354 wrote:Your point being?

  Race was mentioned in the crimes, as in this case in the youtube video. Hate crime was charged in this case and not the ones I listed. The definition of a hate crime is "criminal acts or attempted criminal acts against an individual or group of individuals because of their actual or perceived race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, or disability." Wouldn't the cases I listed fall under that category?
  

  Mulva;1558381 wrote:Hate crime law is stupid to begin with, but if it's going to be enforced then I agree with this.
  
  "Why is this a hate crime" is a dumb question. "Why isn't it when the situation is reversed" is not. I don't believe premeditated video recording is mentioned in any statute.

  This exactly. A violent crime is a violent crime. It's motivation doesn't change the fact of what happened. Furthermore, "hate crimes" are only applied using a double standard where the victim is a minority and the perpetrators aren't. Such is a formula ripe for abuse. They should be done away with. People should be judged based on their actions, not their thoughts.
• rmolin73

  

  Once again what is your point? I have stated repeatedly that cases where race is a motivating factor should be labeled hate crimes. The funny part about those cases and this one mentioned is when it comes to jail time we all know who will serve more. Talk about that double standard.
  
  The first article you posted I really don't consider a lady getting her phone stolen and being called a "white bitch" a hate crime lol. You're reaching with that one.
• TedSheckler

  

  I'm not trying to justify why this isn't a hate crime under the definition. By definition it is. I'm asking why the others are not. Under the definition, any criminal activity against someone based on race, color, etc. is a "hate crime". I listed many that fall under that category that weren't classified as such. And this white guy will serve the most time since he's getting charged under the FEDERAL hate crime law. His is the first to be charged under this law. He faces 10 years.
• rmolin73

  

  Well it sucks to be him.
• TedSheckler

  

  So why the double standard? (the point of this thread)
• rmolin73

  

  TedSheckler;1558423 wrote:So why the double standard? (the point of this thread)

  Why are their double standards in sentencing? I feel as bad for him as a feel for any black person that commits a crime. If you know that blacks will serve more time than whites that commit the same crimes, then don't be a criminal. For any white person that commits any violent actions that can even be perceived as a hate crime it will be. So essentially don't fuck yourself by being a criminal.
• Mulva

  

  rmolin73;1558426 wrote:Why are their double standards in sentencing?

  Valid point.
  

  rmolin73;1558426 wrote:I feel as bad for him as a feel for any black person that commits a crime. If you know that blacks will serve more time than whites that commit the same crimes, then don't be a criminal. For any white person that commits any violent actions that can even be perceived as a hate crime it will be. So essentially don't fuck yourself by being a criminal.

  Retarded point.
  
  Let's make jaywalking a capital offense! Just don't fuck yourself by being a criminal and you'll be fine, right?
  
  It's supposed to be a justice system. It's not supposed to be arbitrary. Justice essentially means fairness. What this country has in place right now is not a justice system. It's just a criminal system. There are too many stupid laws and too many stupid people enforcing them.
• rmolin73

  

  It's about as retarded as the uproar here every time a white person is assaulted by a black person. It's hilarious that some people want to complain about the system now.
  
  As far as your comments on the justice system I'll ask you this. When has it ever been fair?
• superman

  Shocking. A black man complaining about the system being unfair to blacks. There are more black men in jail then there are in college for a reason and it ain't racism.
• rmolin73

  

  superman;1558463 wrote:Shocking. A black man complaining about the system being unfair to blacks. There are more black men in jail then there are in college for a reason and it ain't racism.

  Show me where I was "complaining", about the justice system? So me essentially stating that if you're black and you do the crime you have to face the consequences is me complaining? Hilarious.
  
  I guess it's about as shocking as this thread lol.
• Mohican00

  

  TedSheckler;1558423 wrote:So why the double standard? (the point of this thread)

  white guilt
• said_aouita

  

  superman;1558463 wrote: There are more black men in jail then there are in college for a reason and it ain't racism.

  Because blacks generally are less educated and more poor than white men?
• Heretic

  

  This thread is funny.
• iclfan2

  

  rmolin73;1558409 wrote:I have stated repeatedly that cases where race is a motivating factor should be labeled hate crimes.

  Cuz you're stupid. Federal hate crime laws are retarded. "Why" you create a crime shouldn't matter. Specifically because of minority on white crime NEVER being labeled hate crime, because you can't guess someone's motive
• Mohican00

  

  iclfan2;1558809 wrote:"Why" you create a crime shouldn't matter

  speaking of stupid and retarded
• pmoney25

  

  Why you do a crime shouldn't matter? So self defense murder is equal to premeditated murder?
• TedSheckler

  

  Self-defense murder is a crime? Justifiable homicide.
• O-Trap

  

  What is the logical defense for tacking on the "hate crime" consideration? I'm genuinely curious, as I've never looked into it.
• rmolin73

  

  iclfan2;1558809 wrote:Cuz you're stupid. Federal hate crime laws are retarded. "Why" you create a crime shouldn't matter. Specifically because of minority on white crime NEVER being labeled hate crime, because you can't guess someone's motive

  Yet you call me stupid.
  

  Mohican00;1558812 wrote:speaking of stupid and retarded

  Thank you!
  

  pmoney25;1558815 wrote:Why you do a crime shouldn't matter? So self defense murder is equal to premeditated murder?

  And he calls me stupid. SMDH
• pmoney25

  

  TedSheckler;1558817 wrote:Self-defense murder is a crime?

  Murder is a crime. Why you did it shouldn't matter according to him. Whether accident, self defense or premeditated.
• TedSheckler

  

  This thread just got stupid. I'm punching out. (See what I did there?)
• rmolin73

  

  TedSheckler;1558822 wrote:This thread just got stupid. I'm punching out. (See what I did there?)

  Reps. I'm doing the same.