The Pope says Right Wing Christians have an illness.

• enigmaax

  I Wear Pants;1523945 wrote:See, my first instinct towards that is "yay, at least he doesn't think I'm an abomination/definitely going to hell". But then I give it a bit more thought and it still isn't an opinion that should be lauded. You're still equating being gay with theft, lying, adultery, etc.

  Lol...yeah, you are going to jmog's and WBC's hell...he just isn't going to complain about you while you are here. Good Christians roll like that.
• cruiser_96

  

  Riiiiiiight!!!! Because jmog makes the rules!!! jmog is the one determining who goes where.
  
  Best of luck with that jmog!
• jmog

  Can someone point me to where I said homosexuals are going to hell? I would love to see that quote.
  
  Until then you have once again misrepresented what I say.
• cruiser_96

  

  *hen ????????
• enigmaax

  Okay, my bad. Do people go to hell in your world?
• enigmaax

  cruiser_96;1523960 wrote:Riiiiiiight!!!! Because jmog makes the rules!!! jmog is the one determining who goes where.
  
  Best of luck with that jmog!

  Umm...jmog can decide who goes to his hell just as much as you can. But if I was going to live in a fantasy world, I would probably go try to bang some Disney princesses or something much less negative.
• cruiser_96

  

  There are no absolutes.
  
  Spontaneous generation happens.
  
  Sounds great! No fantasy world here!
  
  Have fun!
• jmog

  enigmaax;1523972 wrote:Okay, my bad. Do people go to hell in your world?

  Yes. But technically it would be in my belief system not my "world" as we all are in the same world.
• sleeper

  

  jmog just doesn't want to accept reality that the WBC and whatever shit he believes in have a lot of common. Both require delusional followers and pass judgement while at the same time claiming only jesus can pass judgement. Neither belief is logical either.
• jmog

  sleeper;1524090 wrote:jmog just doesn't want to accept reality that the WBC and whatever shit he believes in have a lot of common. Both require delusional followers and pass judgement while at the same time claiming only jesus can pass judgement. Neither belief is logical either.

  False, but why would I expect you to start posting anything correct with respect to Christianity.
• sleeper

  

  jmog;1524125 wrote:False, but why would I expect you to start posting anything correct with respect to Christianity.

  It's all made up anyway. I could post that Christianity loves dong in the butt and it'd be just as correct as anything else religious that's out there.
• HitsRus

  

  only jesus can pass judgement

  it seems only sleeper can pass judgement. Get off your soapbox, it's damn annoying. The constitution allows for religious freedom (or lack of it) without persecution. You would do well to follow that example.
• enigmaax

  cruiser_96;1523982 wrote:There are absolutes

  I know some Christians who say there are, in fact, absolutes. For something that is so dependent on following rules, shouldn't there be some degree of absolute? I mean, we aren't talking speeding tickets here, we are talking being tortured for eternity. At least the "wackos" try to stand by the book they want to use as the law. Most Christians take the "Bible says" angle when it is convenient and mold "the word" to fit their needs when its not. But clearly, you all know the truth.
• sleeper

  

  HitsRus;1524135 wrote:it seems only sleeper can pass judgement. Get off your soapbox, it's damn annoying. The constitution allows for religious freedom (or lack of it) without persecution. You would do well to follow that example.

  Of course I can pass judgement. Religion is bullshit and deserves the criticism it gets no matter how "annoying" it is. It's state sponsored FRAUD and if we didn't have so many stupid people running around preaching this bullshit(strictly for money and power), then religious freedom would be stricken from the constitution. There is nothing good about religion, time for religious people to grow up.
• pmoney25

  

  Actually the word Hell was placed into the bible a long time after it was put together. The word Hell replaces other Jewish words like Gehenna. Which was a place where Jewish people used to burn garbabe and dead bodies. Other words that Hell replaced originally meant things like Grave, absence of God, cease to exist.
  
  The idea of a fiery pit of eternal torture is something that shows up in the King James Version of the Bible. The punishment for not going to Heaven is basically just ceasing to exist, not going to a Hell where you are tortured by the Devil on a daily basis.
• enigmaax

  pmoney25;1524142 wrote:Actually the word Hell was placed into the bible a long time after it was put together. The word Hell replaces other Jewish words like Gehenna. Which was a place where Jewish people used to burn garbabe and dead bodies. Other words that Hell replaced originally meant things like Grave, absence of God, cease to exist.
  
  The idea of a fiery pit of eternal torture is something that shows up in the King James Version of the Bible. The punishment for not going to Heaven is basically just ceasing to exist, not going to a Hell where you are tortured by the Devil on a daily basis.

  Lol...it is hard in a couple of lines to get to everything, but this highlights the point.
  
  A few friends of mine were arguing the other day over which bible is "the right one." The King Jamesers standard line was that it stays "truer to the original word." Credibility all around.
  
  Basically, the bible is the internet before the internet.
• cruiser_96

  

  enigmaxx: my statement was "There are NO absolutes." which of course is an absolute. The law of self-contradiction is violated. Nice logic!
  
  Again, jmog didn't make the rules!
  
  I think one of the mistakes that has been made is that too often people look to see God in people.
  
  "If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning." CS Lewis
• enigmaax

  cruiser_96;1524146 wrote:
  I think one of the mistakes that has been made is that too often people look to see God in people.

  I think the biggest mistake is that people want there to be a god who fixes their human problems, but "he" can't exist without the most dreadful human qualities.
• cruiser_96

  

  No need for fixing anything if there is no God. All things are as they are; no right, no wrong. Just "in a state of being".
  
  Secondly: He existed prior to our human problems.
  
  Where would we ever come up with the notion of bad, wrong, right, good, etc. if not for some sort of standard being made known to us!
  
  Again, spontaneous generation??? And believers are the illogical ones???
  
  Lastly, you don't want to believe in God? Don't!!! After all, Kit Kats and Reece's Peanut Butter Cups are on sale at Kroger! I can buy MOUNDS of the candies at discount prices!!! (Please note: I am not buying "Mounds" candy bars. That would be disgusting. I am, however, purchasing mounds Of Kit Kats and Reece's Peanut Butter Cups!)
• pmoney25

  

  enigmaax;1524145 wrote:Lol...it is hard in a couple of lines to get to everything, but this highlights the point.
  
  A few friends of mine were arguing the other day over which bible is "the right one." The King Jamesers standard line was that it stays "truer to the original word." Credibility all around.
  
  Basically, the bible is the internet before the internet.

  
  I am not sure what is funny about the post. The truth is the idea of Hell was added later and the original terms used did not really mean fiery pit of eternal damnation and torture by demons/devil.
• enigmaax

  pmoney25;1524153 wrote:I am not sure what is funny about the post. The truth is the idea of Hell was added later and the original terms used did not really mean fiery pit of eternal damnation and torture by demons/devil.

  The funny part is that a large population believe it is the word of "god", but that it is no secret that it is the word of men. And if it doesn't fit one particular need, man either re-writes it or re-interprets it. Yet, so many people readily buy it as, you know, gospel.
• pmoney25

  

  enigmaax;1524155 wrote:The funny part is that a large population believe it is the word of "god", but that it is no secret that it is the word of men. And if it doesn't fit one particular need, man either re-writes it or re-interprets it. Yet, so many people readily buy it as, you know, gospel.

  You are right about religion being man made and full of mistakes and the good news for you would be that the original meanings were correct and that when you are dead you will just cease to exist which is what you already believe anyway.
• enigmaax

  cruiser_96;1524152 wrote:No need for fixing anything if there is no God. All things are as they are; no right, no wrong. Just "in a state of being".
  
  Secondly: He existed prior to our human problems.
  
  Where would we ever come up with the notion of bad, wrong, right, good, etc. if not for some sort of standard being made known to us!

  Umm...human rights are quite real. I don't steal other people's shit, not because I am obeying some fictional god (or even human laws) but because it isn't my shit. The impact of our actions on others is a good general guide to right and wrong. For those who don't have that innate sense, or who don't care, I suppose religion is a good try. But for the majority of us, we stopped needing Santa Claus and fantasies to be good at about age 10.
• cruiser_96

  

  Spontaneous... Generation!
  
  Citing absolute standards again, eh? Very well then.
• enigmaax

  cruiser_96;1524173 wrote:Spontaneous... Generation!
  
  Citing absolute standards again, eh? Very well then.

  Why do you keep saying spontaneous generation? Also, I was never the one who tried to pretend there is a book of absolutes. You want to use the book, but not for its intended purpose, just for whatever parts you like. So not sure what you are getting at on that one either.
  
  But anyway, it has been fun but college football is on and god has to get busy helping some guys score touchdowns. According to Facebook, he has already helped some friends get money for some material goods. Apparently he doesn't care about cancer though. Jesus f***ing Christ, what a great dude!