Dealerships?

• Ironman92

  

  Over the years I have bought 6 cars from dealerships....from kinda small to fairly big and they've all been very similar.
  
  We are currently looking small sporty SUV and something in the $15,000 range. Yesterday we went to Lancaster and test drove a Mazda X7....it had a few too many uncoverable scratches and it wasn't quite as sharp as pictured....but ran great. The young guy we dealt with "crunched" some numbers and came back about $30 a month too high.....and instead of coming down a single penny they just kept trying to get us to go 6-12 more months....they literally would not budge on their sticker price. They said they have already came down nearly $3,000 since they got it and the current price is final and they would lose $450 as is.
  
  I get all the tactics and all that on extending the months....but I've never dealt at a dealership that would not budge. Is this becoming the norm?
• GoChiefs

  

  No. Walk away if they won't negotiate with you. Fuck 'em. That's not the only X-7 produced.
• Zoltan

  One of the most popular family of dealerships in my area is a "one price" dealer. They do not negotiate at all on price. It's actually sort of nice because it takes the hassle out. There theory is that with the Internet price negotiations are dumb because everyone can see everyone else's price easily.
• Ironman92

  

  GoChiefs;1471773 wrote:No. Walk away if they won't negotiate with you. Fuck 'em. That's not the only X-7 produced.

  
  It was a decent drive....it wasn't an immediate fuck off, but it definitely ended as a "fuck off"
• Ironman92

  

  Zoltan;1471779 wrote:One of the most popular family of dealerships in my area is a "one price" dealer. They do not negotiate at all on price. It's actually sort of nice because it takes the hassle out. There theory is that with the Internet price negotiations are dumb because everyone can see everyone else's price easily.

  
  Yeah but my god 80% of them treat you as if you know nothing about what it should cost and the "math" involved is hilarious.
• raiderbuck

  More dealers are going towards no haggle pricing. I thought that GM tried it on their lower end models (Saturn back in the day), and Toyota does it with Scion. Carmax is another that doesn't haggle.
  
  It's your money, just walk away and find a place with a price you like.
• Ironman92

  

  raiderbuck;1471800 wrote:More dealers are going towards no haggle pricing. I thought that GM tried it on their lower end models (Saturn back in the day), and Toyota does it with Scion. Carmax is another that doesn't haggle.
  
  It's your money, just walk away and find a place with a price you like.

  
  It's really going to come down to "do we really like it" and "is it in our price range".....at that point I expect them to come down some....at least a little.
  
  We are going to look at a Nissan Murano tomorrow and it's listed by them at $14,680.....if we love it, we'll pay that for it but I'll work to get it a little lower even though it doesn't affect the monthly payment much at all....just kind of the principle that they always have them marked up at least some.
• Crimson streak

  

  Ironman92;1471807 wrote:It's really going to come down to "do we really like it" and "is it in our price range".....at that point I expect them to come down some....at least a little.
  
  We are going to look at a Nissan Murano tomorrow and it's listed by them at $14,680.....if we love it, we'll pay that for it but I'll work to get it a little lower even though it doesn't affect the monthly payment much at all....just kind of the principle that they always have them marked up at least some.

  
  What year and edition is the murano and how many miles? I have a 2010 murano LE and I absolutely love it.
• rydawg5

  Sometimes a car is on their lot for a while and it has been reduced down to a fair market price. If they have cut out the excess profit out to move it, then it is what it is and someone will buy it because it's priced fairly.
  
  If they were just trying to make extra money on you and wouldn't negotiate, it would be silly to let you walk away.
  
  If you were happy with the car at the price that was listed, but were unhappy because you wanted to haggle, then you made the mistake of just wanting to haggle instead of taking the car.
• Sonofanump

  I hear Van Wert has a quality dealership.
• Con_Alma

  The car has a certain value to you. If it's not the same price as the dealer is willing to sell at then there's nothing to discuss. There's really no reason to haggle ever.
• LJ

  

  Con_Alma;1471829 wrote:The car has a certain value to you. If it's not the same price as the dealer is willing to sell at then there's nothing to discuss. There's really no reason to haggle ever.

  
  Except that isn't how car values work. Car values are objectively based on performed maintenance, condition, mileage options etc.
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  LJ;1471831 wrote:Except that isn't how car values work. Car values are objectively based on performed maintenance, condition, mileage options etc.

  Sure it is.. you're paying for it.. no ones making you pay more than you feel you should.
• Con_Alma

  LJ;1471831 wrote:Except that isn't how car values work. Car values are objectively based on performed maintenance, condition, mileage options etc.

  What do you mean how they work? The car may have a value to you based on the exact things you listed. There's really no reason to haggle if you aren't valuing the car at a price that the dealer is willing to sell at.
• Con_Alma

  ZWICK 4 PREZ;1471832 wrote:Sure it is.. you're paying for it.. no ones making you pay more than you feel you should.

  
  ...and if you do you're an idiot. If you're comfortable and willing to purchase it at a higher price then it has enough value to you to do so.
• Ironman92

  

  rydawg5;1471820 wrote:Sometimes a car is on their lot for a while and it has been reduced down to a fair market price. If they have cut out the excess profit out to move it, then it is what it is and someone will buy it because it's priced fairly.
  
  If they were just trying to make extra money on you and wouldn't negotiate, it would be silly to let you walk away.
  
  If you were happy with the car at the price that was listed, but were unhappy because you wanted to haggle, then you made the mistake of just wanting to haggle instead of taking the car.

  
  I already explained that we didn't love it....but just loved how it drove. Outside was not nearly as good as Internet pic.
• Ironman92

  

  Crimson streak;1471810 wrote:What year and edition is the murano and how many miles? I have a 2010 murano LE and I absolutely love it.

  
  It's 2009 with 68,000 (I think....we've looked at 500 lol)
  
  We're stopping in Dublin 1st tomorrow as they have a loaded 2008 with only 40,500 miles.
• rydawg5

  Ironman92;1471848 wrote:I already explained that we didn't love it....but just loved how it drove. Outside was not nearly as good as Internet pic.

  I know, but unfortunately most "smart buyers" end up going for a "deal" instead of the car they actually want. "HEY I GOT A DEAL!" But after 3 months when you are stuck in a 4 year loan of a car you "wheeled & dealed" for, scoffing at the last dealership for walking away from your dream car because they wouldn't "haggle" $300, you only screw yourself.
• vball10set

  Ironman92;1471768 wrote:Over the years I have bought 6 cars from dealerships....from kinda small to fairly big and they've all been very similar.
  
  We are currently looking small sporty SUV and something in the $15,000 range. Yesterday we went to Lancaster and test drove a Mazda X7....it had a few too many uncoverable scratches and it wasn't quite as sharp as pictured....but ran great. The young guy we dealt with "crunched" some numbers and came back about $30 a month too high.....and instead of coming down a single penny they just kept trying to get us to go 6-12 more months....they literally would not budge on their sticker price. They said they have already came down nearly $3,000 since they got it and the current price is final and they would lose $450 as is.
  
  I get all the tactics and all that on extending the months....but I've never dealt at a dealership that would not budge. Is this becoming the norm?

  Go to Ricard, as they will deal.
• Ironman92

  

  vball10set;1471855 wrote:Go to Ricard, as they will deal.

  
  Ricart?
  
  I've been there one time and fuck them. Lol
  
  We were young and looking at a Ford Explorer and had a trade in worth about $4,000.....they gave us a piece of paper that said "we're dealin"....and $535 a month......we turned to walk out and 10 min later he came back with his "we're dealin" at $511 a month after trade in.....WE LEAVE drive 80 miles south to Jackson and buy the same make/model and only 1,000 miles more and they came down lower on the Explorer and gave us way more for our trade in and the payments were $455 a month.
  
  Ricart flat out tried to completely job us.
  
  Too many other places to go.
• Crimson streak

  

  Ironman92;1471851 wrote:It's 2009 with 68,000 (I think....we've looked at 500 lol)
  
  We're stopping in Dublin 1st tomorrow as they have a loaded 2008 with only 40,500 miles.

  
  Not a bad price. Could get them down to 12500-13000
• Ironman92

  

  Crimson streak;1471862 wrote:Not a bad price. Could get them down to 12500-13000

  
  Easy for you to say! Lol
  
  It's now our 3rd stop tomorrow....looking at 2 others in Cbus before going to Marysville...if needed.
• Ironman92

  

  Does your Murano have that non-shifting transmission (forget name)....they are sweet but we drove one in Athens and that damn thing sounded like a semi jake breaking when I let off the gas. (Ok exaggerating but it felt like you were going 65mph in 2nd gear....but RPM's were where the should be. It had 73,000 miles and I'm a little iffy on the reliability of their transmissions after that test drive (dealer said it was how it was supposed to be and I made him drive it with me and needless to say we didn't make it far before he agreed with me.
• Ironman92

  

  CVT.....saying Nissan refused to recall and owners were expected to refill transmission fluid ($600?) every 30,000 miles.....if not they start going bad at 65,000 and cost a fortune to replace.
  
  It's hard to believe because there about 1,000,000 of them around it seems.
• rydawg5

  Ironman92;1471867 wrote:Does your Murano have that non-shifting transmission (forget name)....they are sweet but we drove one in Athens and that damn thing sounded like a semi jake breaking when I let off the gas. (Ok exaggerating but it felt like you were going 65mph in 2nd gear....but RPM's were where the should be. It had 73,000 miles and I'm a little iffy on the reliability of their transmissions after that test drive (dealer said it was how it was supposed to be and I made him drive it with me and needless to say we didn't make it far before he agreed with me.

  They are called CVT transmissions. Most companies are GOING to those. The New Honda Accord has a CVT transmission now (so don't be iffy) - Nissan makes a good car. The Murano feels like a luxury car. Plenty of power. You get used to the non-shifting of gears.