New Jersey legalizes online gambling

• derek bomar

  

  reclegend22;1397423 wrote:Thank god I don't live in New Jersey. The only thing that stops me from losing everything is that each time I think it's a bright idea to gamble more money I have to drive all the way to the grocery store and rationally make the decision that I want to actually send cash by wire to a fictional filipino in Manila.

  this is funny because it's true. it was so weird in the dying days of internet poker years ago trying to hang on and funding your habit this way... felt so wrong.
• TBone14

  

  reclegend22;1397423 wrote:Thank god I don't live in New Jersey. The only thing that stops me from losing everything is that each time I think it's a bright idea to gamble more money I have to drive all the way to the grocery store and rationally make the decision that I want to actually send cash by wire to a fictional filipino in Manila.

  Firad;1397585 wrote:haha I had set up an account and they told me to tell Western Union that I was just on vacation in the Philippines and needed to wire money my cousin "Wendell" who left $$$ in a bag of mine. I said no thanks, bruh!

  derek bomar;1397660 wrote:this is funny because it's true. it was so weird in the dying days of internet poker years ago trying to hang on and funding your habit this way... felt so wrong.

  First of all, Western Union or the people at the Cash Advance place shouldn't be asking any questions. I just go in there and act like its not big deal. I send money to the Phillipines and Nicaragua all the time. I don't need to make up a story or anything. Here is my cash, send it to this guy in American Dollars. It's still the easiest way to get a decent amount of money into offshore sportsbooks. Some sites will let you do Visa for smaller amounts.
• O-Trap

  

  TBone14;1397674 wrote:First of all, Western Union or the people at the Cash Advance place shouldn't be asking any questions. I just go in there and act like its not big deal. I send money to the Phillipines and Nicaragua all the time. I don't need to make up a story or anything. Here is my cash, send it to this guy in American Dollars. It's still the easiest way to get a decent amount of money into offshore sportsbooks. Some sites will let you do Visa for smaller amounts.

  It is indeed the easiest, and it's BECAUSE they don't ask any questions. That's also why scammers prefer to use it, though.
• thePITman

  

  derek bomar;1397092 wrote:For arguments sake lets say an online casino company is formed and now operates out of NJ. I guarantee you there will be a way around being physically in NJ to play.

  This was my first thought, as well.
• gut

  thePITman;1397946 wrote:This was my first thought, as well.

  Agreed. Thought it was funny that Christie believes they can police this. Of course probably 95% of consumers won't mask their IP (or know how), which is probably sufficient. But anything short of 100% might cause problems with the feds, because it then becomes interstate commerce which the feds regulate.
• Pick6

  

  gut;1397953 wrote:Agreed. Thought it was funny that Christie believes they can police this. Of course probably 95% of consumers won't mask their IP (or know how), which is probably sufficient. But anything short of 100% might cause problems with the feds, because it then becomes interstate commerce which the feds regulate.

  Does Christie even care? It would be more revenue for the state.
• gut

  Pick6;1397955 wrote:Does Christie even care? It would be more revenue for the state.

  Probably not, but like I said I think there's a potential issue if it's determined to be interstate commerce (which is why it MIGHT matter).
  
  I don't now all the legal implications, but I think the real genius might be all these online places have to establish operations in NJ, then if and when it goes national they don't move their operations and so NJ rakes in some corporate income taxes from them.
• gut

  Here's a bit more info:
  http://www.digitaltrends.com/web/new-jersey-legalizes-online-gambling/
  
  So basically you have to open an account with an AC casino, and then they are supposed to verify a physical location in NJ before taking the bet. So although the location can probably be spoofed, no clue as to whether a non-resident would be able to open an account in the first place.
• O-Trap

  

  gut;1397967 wrote:Here's a bit more info:
  http://www.digitaltrends.com/web/new-jersey-legalizes-online-gambling/
  
  So basically you have to open an account with an AC casino, and then they are supposed to verify a physical location in NJ before taking the bet. So although the location can probably be spoofed, no clue as to whether a non-resident would be able to open an account in the first place.

  They would. There are ways of doing this pretty easily.
• gut

  O-Trap;1397968 wrote:They would. There are ways of doing this pretty easily.

  I understand that (but 95% of the market wouldn't). Not sure if they could detect and block spoofed IP's, though. But like I said, you still have the issue of being able to physically open an account at the local AC casinos, and they may simply refuse to do that for non-residents.
• O-Trap

  

  gut;1397976 wrote:I understand that (but 95% of the market wouldn't). Not sure if they could detect and block spoofed IP's, though. But like I said, you still have the issue of being able to physically open an account at the local AC casinos, and they may simply refuse to do that for non-residents.

  You don't even have to spoof the IP, though. Zombie boxes, proxies, etc. of actual machines in New Jersey can be used relatively easily, and provided they are SOCKS/high-anon proxies, they can't really be detected that well.
  
  As for the latter, I think that would probably be what they'd do. It would at least curb it, I would think.
• gut

  O-Trap;1397986 wrote:You don't even have to spoof the IP, though. Zombie boxes, proxies, etc. of actual machines in New Jersey can be used relatively easily, and provided they are SOCKS/high-anon proxies, they can't really be detected that well.

  Maybe, but they could blacklist mobile data not coming thru one of the cell operators. Not sure about laptops since you could be moving around to different wifi hotspots.
  
  Also, not sure what their proprietary software could do as far as detecting your location. On mobile apps, they could require location settings turned on and you're done. Many computers don't have GPS, but their app could maybe sniff nearby wifi locations to verify the location of your IP.
• O-Trap

  

  gut;1397998 wrote:Maybe, but they could blacklist mobile data not coming thru one of the cell operators. Not sure about laptops since you could be moving around to different wifi hotspots.
  
  Also, not sure what their proprietary software could do as far as detecting your location. On mobile apps, they could require location settings turned on and you're done. Many computers don't have GPS, but their app could maybe sniff nearby wifi locations to verify the location of your IP.

  If you're tunneling, though, would it not sniff the location of the IPs nearest the last proxy prior to accessing their site?
  
  The one thing they COULD do would be to track MAC addresses. It doesn't fix the problem, but it would prevent people from being able to re-signup once they get banned.
• gut

  O-Trap;1398045 wrote:If you're tunneling, though, would it not sniff the location of the IPs nearest the last proxy prior to accessing their site?

  I have no idea, but I'm sure software can do a lot of things. What I was actually thinking of was reading nearby networks picked-up by your wifi sensor. I know Google can scan avaliable wifi networks to help pinpoint your location, and so something similar could validate the location of your connection.
  
  Also, if you tunnel or use a proxy, will your IP not change every session? They could force you to re-validate every time you login from a new IP, and also limit the number of validated locations.
  
  It all depends on how strict NJ would be enforcing it. Casinos would tend not to be very diligent, but if they risk losing their online license then they would be VERY diligent.
• O-Trap

  

  gut;1398053 wrote:I have no idea, but I'm sure software can do a lot of things. What I was actually thinking of was reading nearby networks picked-up by your wifi sensor. I know Google can scan avaliable wifi networks to help pinpoint your location, and so something similar could validate the location of your connection.

  Yeah, what I'm talking about "goofs" Google, so I'm betting it would work here. Google has thought I lived in Kirkland, Washington for quite awhile now.
• gut

  O-Trap;1398054 wrote:Yeah, what I'm talking about "goofs" Google, so I'm betting it would work here. Google has thought I lived in Kirkland, Washington for quite awhile now.

  I was actually thinking about Android, where Google is picking up available wifi networks thru the scanner on the phone to get your location. I think that is entirely different than what you are talking about, which is probably pulling location from the connected IP.
• Mulva

  

  O-Trap;1398045 wrote:The one thing they COULD do would be to track MAC addresses. It doesn't fix the problem, but it would prevent people from being able to re-signup once they get banned.

  Can't a MAC be manually changed as well? I'm pretty sure I read the Reddit/JSTOR suicide guy spoofed his MAC.
• O-Trap

  

  Mulva;1398063 wrote:Can't a MAC be manually changed as well? I'm pretty sure I read the Reddit/JSTOR suicide guy spoofed his MAC.

  You might be right there. Oh well.
• gut

  Anyway, all that will probably work as I can't see them going to great lengths to block something 99% of people are unaware of or won't use. One interesting method would be a GPS dongle as part of a secure access key, but that's probably cost prohibitive.
  http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2013/feb/27/online-gambling-dominance-race-pits-nevada-new-jer/
  
  Turns out Nevada legalized online gambling just days before NJ, and Delaware supposedly could be up and running by September. No word on whether NV and DE will restrict access to residents.
  
  But this part of the article is interesting:
  Initially, New Jersey will restrict Internet gambling to customers within the state's borders. Technology to be integrated into the networks that will be developed will include as many as five or six "geo-locators" that will determine with a near 100 percent certainty where a player is located when he or she logs in to gamble
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• thePITman

  

  gut;1398165 wrote:But this part of the article is interesting:
  Initially, New Jersey will restrict Internet gambling to customers within the state's borders. Technology to be integrated into the networks that will be developed will include as many as five or six "geo-locators" that will determine with a near 100 percent certainty where a player is located when he or she logs in to gamble.

  I still don't buy it. Besides, read carefully: "Technology will be developed..." In other words, it isn't readily accessible technology right now. Good luck w/ that.
• Tiernan

  I bet Gov. Christy weighs 378 lbs.
• O-Trap

  

  Tiernan;1398338 wrote:I bet Gov. Christy weighs 378 lbs.

  Were you expecting a "Guess my weight" game at the carnival or something?
• gut

  thePITman;1398330 wrote:I still don't buy it. Besides, read carefully: "Technology will be developed..." In other words, it isn't readily accessible technology right now. Good luck w/ that.

  Actually it reads networks that "will be developed", not the tech. I'm pretty sure the tech already exists - you can buy GPS in a USB for about $30, slap on a proprietary key and there's your tech.
• thePITman

  

  gut;1398371 wrote:Actually it reads networks that "will be developed", not the tech. I'm pretty sure the tech already exists - you can buy GPS in a USB for about $30, slap on a proprietary key and there's your tech.

  I read it as the following:
  
  "Technology" <-- subject
  "to be integrated into the networks" <-- describing the subject
  "that will be developed" <-- what is being done with the subject
  
  We must be interpreting the sentence differently.
• gut

  thePITman;1398386 wrote: We must be interpreting the sentence differently.

  My grammar may be a bit rusty, but the adverbial clause "that will be developed" pretty clearly refers to the networks. In fact, subconsciously you recognized that which is why your re-wrote it to fit your meaning when you said "technology to be developed".
  
  Technology - noun
  to be integrated into - adverbial phrase referring to technology
  networks - noun (to be integrated into WHAT - the networks)
  that will be developed - adverbial phrase referring to networks
  
  Written properly to get your meaning would have been something like "Technology, to be integrated into the networks, that will be developed will include..." See the difference?