Chris Kyle dead!

• said_aouita

  

  Different stories floating around on this.
  
  imo- I question using a firing range as therapy for PTSD.
• said_aouita

  

  georgemc80;1380314 wrote:A Not sure how a gun range would be the best place for someone suffering from PTSD. All kind of things wrong about this.

  This. Unfortunately.
• thavoice

  Tiernan;1380431 wrote:How so??? They will say that (if) arguably the best shooter on the planet can't protect himself with a gun how is some armed 4th grade teacher in Bumphuk gonna take down somebody intent on doing harm?
  
  how so??/ sheeeesh some people.

  and that would be a terrible argument. Reports saying that he was helping this guy out at the range. If you are at the range helping someone out and if he wants to kill ya...there really is nothing you can do to protect yourself.
  
  While I agree that 'some armed 4th grader in bumphuk' isnt going to take down a school shooter, I dont think using this example is a valid one.
• sportchampps

  Yeah but I would argue taking someone who could be unstable ie. PTSD to a gun range are the types of issues that gun control needs to address. Gun control shouldn't be what type of guns someone can buy it needs to be who can buy sell and process weapons. Chris Kyle has probably put himself in this situation before because he loved trying to help other troops it just wasn't the best decision on his part.
• Belly35

  

  I would assume this is a outside range and the walk to the range shooting site could be a little way from the main office out of the way from rifle range distance shooting. Walking down a path with your instructor and another individual once could easy get the jump on them from behind with a loaded weapon. Take the keys and drive off, after reading tha article the bodies where not found until 5:00 but the shooting took place at 3:30.
• thavoice

  sportchampps;1381356 wrote:Yeah but I would argue taking someone who could be unstable ie. PTSD to a gun range are the types of issues that gun control needs to address. Gun control shouldn't be what type of guns someone can buy it needs to be who can buy sell and process weapons. Chris Kyle has probably put himself in this situation before because he loved trying to help other troops it just wasn't the best decision on his part.

  Another way to look at it though is putting the the person back in his element, back doing what he used to do, what he used to love, could be a good thing. Could very well be possible that he felt at home at the range. It may have been where he felt the most stable, back in his element. There is a piece of a soldier that no matter how much he bitched about being in the military that will always miss it, and almost feel lost without it. Maybe the gun range was his therapy and he felt more stable there then any other place.
  
  I know when my brother come home from combat deployments there was a period of time where just being out in the public was unnerving to him. I have never been deployed, yet, but when I leave for a month I know it even takes myself a week to ten days to feel normal again as ya get agitated with the every day person out there.
  
  Maybe the range was this guys sanctuary. We dont know enough yet. Maybe he has been there alot, and maybe this former SEAL had been helping him often.
• Belly35

  

  PTSD I don’t think it ever really goes away completely, it linger in the darkness of your memory. Many have different ways of handling the problem, controlling the thoughts and the numbness of emotions, others are consumed by the “what ifs” and “why”, self beating.
  I’ve been able to find comfort in the nightmare, understanding of the numbness of emotion.
  Different smells, lighting storms, passing helicopters, early morning summer dew on the grass are just a few that bring back those memories, for that second I find security in knowing that it’s OK, to be me and that I’m better for who I am and what I have lived through. I will always be a soldier in some way, it lives inside and I have a standard that I must live up to because of “Being that Soldier”.
  
  When I got out I had problems and PTSD was the issue…. I’m better that this. What to do?
  I left home in the middle of the night, told no one, army blanket, .45, water, drove to a area as remote as I could find, parked my car, walked a few miles, dug a deep hole, put branches, dirt over it and crawled inside …. Four days in what was once hell, tunnel, ambush and explosives expert was now a dirty camp out, that it. I knew who I was, those thoughts where just that, reminders of where I once was and moving away from.
  
  I can see where vets going to the range is a good treatment &#8230; I enjoy it now also&#8230; </SPAN>
• Dr Winston O'Boogie

  

  That book caused bad juju.
• Fab4Runner

  

  I downloaded his book months ago but never got around to reading it. Such a sad situation. Thoughts and prayers go out to his family and friends, and especially his children who will grow up without a father.
• Curly J

  

  I have his book on my coffee table. My father-in-law sent it to me. I've yet to read it but I will soon.
• Raw Dawgin' it

  

  Apparently the guy who shot him, Routh, was in re immersion therapy. I wonder if this type of therapy will be reevaluated.
• Heretic

  

  Belly35;1380384 wrote:Without reading the article let me venture out and say .. Career criminal w/ multi fellons or illegal stealing weapons from the range ... Get caught and open fire at innocent people

  Or...
  

  Eddie Lee Routh, 25, of Lancaster, Texas, an active duty Marine from 2006 to 2010 who served in the Iraq war

• Dr Winston O'Boogie

  

  I feel conflicted about this guy. I understand he risked his life and all. However, look at it his way...
  
  If another country invaded the US unprovoked and totally overwhelmed out military, killed military and non-military personnel by the thousands, destroyed infrastructure, etc. I would expect some Americans to fight back in unconventional ways similar to the Revolutionary War. And then if said enemy had in its ranks a sniper who killed 150+ of these Americans who were attempting to subvert the enemy, and then the sniper went back to wheres he came, wrote a book and was referred to as "hero", how would you feel about that person? I don't believe I can call this guy a hero but I'd be willing to listen to counter arguments.
• TedSheckler

  

  This guy did 4 tours serving as a U.S. Navy SEAL. He did was he was told. He did his job and his awards back that up. He's a hero in my book.
• Dr Winston O'Boogie

  

  TedSheckler;1383861 wrote:This guy did 4 tours serving as a U.S. Navy SEAL. He did was he was told. He did his job and his awards back that up. He's a hero in my book.

  Fine, but what is your response to the hypothetical of another country invading here unprovoked and a sniper on their end killing 150 people.
• GoChiefs

  

  Dr Winston O'Boogie;1383866 wrote:Fine, but what is your response to the hypothetical of another country invading here unprovoked and a sniper on their end killing 150 people.

  What kind of question is that? What kind of response do you think he's going to have? You think he's going to be OK with that? Chris Kyle did what he did for our country. That's all that matters.
• Belly35

  

  Dr Winston O'Boogie;1383866 wrote:Fine, but what is your response to the hypothetical of another country invading here unprovoked and a sniper on their end killing 150 people.

  Good shooting
• TedSheckler

  

  Dr Winston O'Boogie;1383866 wrote:Fine, but what is your response to the hypothetical of another country invading here unprovoked and a sniper on their end killing 150 people.

  
  Who cares what they think.
• Dr Winston O'Boogie

  

  I understand your points. This is just a situation the makes for a difficult question. I know this guy served and followed his orders. I don't think he did anything wrong from that perspective. What made this whole war the fiasco that it was however is that we invaded a country unprovoked. Characterizing what took place thereafter is complicated.
• Raw Dawgin' it

  

  Dr Winston O'Boogie;1383957 wrote:I understand your points. This is just a situation the makes for a difficult question. I know this guy served and followed his orders. I don't think he did anything wrong from that perspective. What made this whole war the fiasco that it was however is that we invaded a country unprovoked. Characterizing what took place thereafter is complicated.

  Has nothing to do with him or what he did. Go start another thread.
• bases_loaded

  

  
• Devils Advocate

  

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• Raw Dawgin' it

  

  bases_loaded;1384287 wrote:

  lol i'm sure if he made a statement you'd have a meme calling him out for that too
• Devils Advocate

  

  bases_loaded;1384287 wrote:

  
  Really? If the POTUS made anykind of statement about this, you would have construed it at being an attack on the 2nd ammendment.
• bases_loaded

  

  ORLY?