Notre Dame Considers Not Going It Alone

• Pescara71

  I wan't to apologize to all the ND fans, that was uncalled for and embarrassing to me and the Ohio St. Buckeyes,imho. I shot from the hip on that one.
  
  I get tired of everybody playing the "Victim" role for whatever reason, and the Buckeye fans do it to.
  
  If I acheived anything, it's a plus for ND fans to join the Big10 only to try and get that 0-3 blemish off from the OSU.
  ND would get there annual shot at the BUCKEYES just like PENN ST. and ofcourse MICHIGAN.
  
  I can live with the BUCKEYE'S being up 3-0 in the recent years, but if ND chooses to join....I think thats great to, both teams seem to be on the upswing.
• Mr Pat

  Not a problem, Pescara, it happens.
• Tiernan

  Don't be such a pussy Pescara, that wasn't embarrasing to Buckeye fans at all. It was right on the money. The Big 10 should think long and hard before letting ND join the best conference in the nation. They need us waaayyy more than we need them and their sorry subway alumni. Let 'em join a mid-major so their head coach will feel at home, seeings that he's never really held a bonafide top caliber job (including the past two months!)
• goosebumps

  

  Tiernan wrote: Don't be such a pussy Pescara, that wasn't embarrasing to Buckeye fans at all. It was right on the money. The Big 10 should think long and hard before letting ND join the best conference in the nation. They need us waaayyy more than we need them and their sorry subway alumni. Let 'em join a mid-major so their head coach will feel at home, seeings that he's never really held a bonafide top caliber job (including the past two months!)

  What facts do you have to back up the Big 10 being the best conference in the nation? Seriously I want to hear this, it should be good.
• Pescara71

  Tiernan wrote: Don't be such a pussy Pescara, that wasn't embarrasing to Buckeye fans at all. It was right on the money. The Big 10 should think long and hard before letting ND join the best conference in the nation. They need us waaayyy more than we need them and their sorry subway alumni. Let 'em join a mid-major so their head coach will feel at home, seeings that he's never really held a bonafide top caliber job (including the past two months!)

  Oooooh! Really?
  
  It's called respect, name calling is easy on a computer. I take tuff guy forum balls with a grain of salt.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  goosebumps wrote:

  Tiernan wrote: Don't be such a pussy Pescara, that wasn't embarrasing to Buckeye fans at all. It was right on the money. The Big 10 should think long and hard before letting ND join the best conference in the nation. They need us waaayyy more than we need them and their sorry subway alumni. Let 'em join a mid-major so their head coach will feel at home, seeings that he's never really held a bonafide top caliber job (including the past two months!)

  What facts do you have to back up the Big 10 being the best conference in the nation? Seriously I want to hear this, it should be good.

  The Big Ten has the best academics of any other conference -- and it's not even close.
  
  The Big Ten pays its athletic members more than any other conference -- and it's not even close.
  
  There are two facts to back it up.
• rock_knutne

  Writerbuckeye wrote: The Big Ten has the best academics of any other conference -- and it's not even close.
  
  The Big Ten pays its athletic members more than any other conference -- and it's not even close.
  
  There are two facts to back it up.

  That's fine and dandy but I think he's refering to football.
• goosebumps

  

  Thanks Rock, Yes I was referring to Football, I guess it was confusing since I posted it on the College Football forum... Im just kidding
  
  Show me something that would lead me to believe that the Big Eleven is the best conference in football?
• Writerbuckeye

  

  goosebumps wrote: Thanks Rock, Yes I was referring to Football, I guess it was confusing since I posted it on the College Football forum... Im just kidding
  
  Show me something that would lead me to believe that the Big Eleven is the best conference in football?

  Fact of the matter is this: when a school chooses a conference, especially a school like ND, it won't only be about football.
  
  When most schools pick a conference, the ECONOMICS are probably front and center, and the academic fit is also looked at.
  
  You know that will be the case with Notre Dame.
  
  Personally, I could give a crap if ND decides to stay independent. I wish the Big Ten had told its members years ago not to schedule them, anymore, when they turned down the conference the last time.
  
  Here's another fact in the BCS world: The Big Ten is the best conference fit for Notre Dame for FOOTBALL and every other sport, if for no other reason than geography and already existing rivalries.
  
  But like I said, I could give a crap if they decide not to do it. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if they were stupid and arrogant enough to say no again.
• ytownfootball

  

  This isn't actually a school doing the choosing either, it's the BIG 10, and the BIG 10 has a set of criteria that member schools must uphold in order to keep/gain acceptance. That's why schools that would seem like no brainers in Cinci, WVU, Louisville etc. won't even be asked to join. They don't hold up to the eye test.
• sjmvsfscs08

  It's really a win-win for everyone except the die-hard alumni of Notre Dame that favor an independent schedule. But Swarbrick is ahead of the curve and realizes that the very same independent schedule people love about Notre Dame is becoming nearly impossible to put together, just look at Tulsa, Utah, and Western Michigan being placed on the docket. With conferences growing, rivalries against Georgia Tech and Boston College have died.
  
  Notre Dame wins a boatload of cash by joining the Big Ten. The Big Ten is also an amazing academic conference so that only helps. The road to the BCS probably isn't different either way. One could argue it's harder to be a Big Ten Champion than go 9-3 with some of Notre Dame's schedules since the BCS' inception, and one could argue the other way too.
  
  The Big Ten also wins big too. Academically, Notre Dame walks in and is on par with Northwestern and Michigan from the get go. Athletically, football is obviously a gain and basketball is probably a bigger addition at the present than football is in terms of competitiveness. But the biggest gain the Big Ten will see from Notre Dame is launching the Big Ten Network from a regional cable station to a national one. Make no mistake, the very same Big Ten Network Notre Dame will benefit from is same thing that will benefit most. Very, very few teams in the country have the draw Notre Dame does. Ohio State, Texas, and maybe Florida. In the near future you'll see networks spring up all over the place; but the Pac-10 won't be carried by many local cable networks on the east coast because no average fan cares about a Washington-Arizona game. Ohio State has an absolutely massive alumni base and fervid loyalty from them throughout the country, second only to Notre Dame's subway alumni. I really think that if Notre Dame joined the Big Ten the $22,000,000/year would be improved tremendously as millions from New York to Los Angeles will have their cable companies get the network to see Notre Dame.
• rock_knutne

  Writerbuckeye wrote:Fact of the matter is this: when a school chooses a conference, especially a school like ND, it won't only be about football.
  
  When most schools pick a conference, the ECONOMICS are probably front and center, and the academic fit is also looked at.
  
  You know that will be the case with Notre Dame.
  
  Personally, I could give a crap if ND decides to stay independent. I wish the Big Ten had told its members years ago not to schedule them, anymore, when they turned down the conference the last time.
  
  Here's another fact in the BCS world: The Big Ten is the best conference fit for Notre Dame for FOOTBALL and every other sport, if for no other reason than geography and already existing rivalries.
  
  But like I said, I could give a crap if they decide not to do it. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if they were stupid and arrogant enough to say no again.

  I disagree, the only reason ND would consider joining the Big 10 is for football, they play in the Big East for every other sport they have so you're statement isn't totally accurate.
  
  As for the BCS, ND could just join the Big East all togehter and would have a MUCH better chance of getting an automatic BCS bid by winning that conference which is weaker. ND has plenty of rivalries from coast to coast so geography is not a concern.
  
  Nothing is about arrogance but it's always about the almighty dollar and if ND see's fit to remain independent and rake in the same amount of money, they will do so, that's why they refused the Big 10 the last time.........unlike how the Big 10 shunned ND because of a few bigots with in the conference back in the day.
• The Equalizer

  

  That fact is ND in football won't be winning conference titles until we start having very very good teams on both sides of the ball. If that happens I think we'd have an easier time winning the big east crown versus B10 because honestly its a shitload easier to get better than WV or Pitt than it is to be better than UM/PSU/OSU year in and year out. Prestige-wise it's a bigger feather in the cap to be a B10 champ when you compare the conferences but the BSC bowl check we might be able to score every year from the big east could override that. Even if we don't win Big east championship if we're decent that year we'll probably get their at large.
• ytownfootball

  

  The BCS bowl check might be larger but the TV revenue share would off set that amount substantially.
• The Equalizer

  

  That's true. As a fan I don't know if I'm in favor of it just because as a fan I want to watch my team and living where I do (Steubenville) I'm not very sure that if their games are on B10 network that I won't be forced to see some suckass PSU vs Purdue or OSU vs Indiana game that day. Growing up being able to watch my team every week of every season can be a little spoiling.
• killer_ewok

  

  ^^^The Big 10 Network sometimes aired 2 or 3 Big 10 vs. OOC opponent games at the same time during football season so there's no way we'd get screwed there. And if ND wasn't on the Big 10 Network that day....there's no doubt in my mind that ABC (regionally or nationally) would show it. That or one of the ESPN's. I wouldn't worry about missing ND games if the join the Big 10. We'll still get 'em all.
• ytownfootball

  

  You have to keep in mind that the Big 10 Network is still in it's infancy. Thy will continue to improve their coverage and widen their base. What carriers don't currently have the netowrk soon will, they have grown a ton since they first went on the air. Much like OSU, ND fans will not be missing any gamees. The only game that wasn't aired locally was YSU and that was picked up by the BTN.
  
  With the SEC Network (airing on ESPN, imagine that), the conference specific coverage is only going to be increased, especially considering the possibility of expanding conferences. ND would be behind the curve if they weren't looking for a place to hang their hat. If ESPN is willing to forgo airing other games and exclusively show SEC games, it's not a stretch to think that ABC/CBS/NBC wouldn't look to do the same and leave ND's sweetheart deal fall by the wayside. I think they realize this and are looking ahead. (Notice I didn't mention they'd be getting dropped because they suck )
• sjmvsfscs08

  Well, they do suck. Probably the worst team in the country, of any football level..
• goosebumps

  

  rock_knutne wrote:

  Writerbuckeye wrote:Fact of the matter is this: when a school chooses a conference, especially a school like ND, it won't only be about football.
  
  When most schools pick a conference, the ECONOMICS are probably front and center, and the academic fit is also looked at.
  
  You know that will be the case with Notre Dame.
  
  Personally, I could give a crap if ND decides to stay independent. I wish the Big Ten had told its members years ago not to schedule them, anymore, when they turned down the conference the last time.
  
  Here's another fact in the BCS world: The Big Ten is the best conference fit for Notre Dame for FOOTBALL and every other sport, if for no other reason than geography and already existing rivalries.
  
  But like I said, I could give a crap if they decide not to do it. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if they were stupid and arrogant enough to say no again.

  I disagree, the only reason ND would consider joining the Big 10 is for football, they play in the Big East for every other sport they have so you're statement isn't totally accurate.
  
  As for the BCS, ND could just join the Big East all togehter and would have a MUCH better chance of getting an automatic BCS bid by winning that conference which is weaker. ND has plenty of rivalries from coast to coast so geography is not a concern.
  
  Nothing is about arrogance but it's always about the almighty dollar and if ND see's fit to remain independent and rake in the same amount of money, they will do so, that's why they refused the Big 10 the last time.........unlike how the Big 10 shunned ND because of a few bigots with in the conference back in the day.

  
  
  If I were ND I would stay away from the big east, 0-4 in the last two years, however they are 4-2 against the Big Ten, maybe they should give it a shot.
• Pescara71

  The Equalizer wrote: That's true. As a fan I don't know if I'm in favor of it just because as a fan I want to watch my team and living where I do (Steubenville) I'm not very sure that if their games are on B10 network that I won't be forced to see some suckass PSU vs Purdue or OSU vs Indiana game that day. Growing up being able to watch my team every week of every season can be a little spoiling.

  We have that problem now, I'm not a big fan of the "Big Ten Network".
  In certain spots you can't get now, and although I'm sure Notre Dame would be a option of the usual 3 games a weekend , fans who live in the border area might be forced to watch ND instead of Ohio St.
  I don't see it the other way around, lets face it, Notre Dame would be the top draw most of the time and unless you have that famous shitty Steubenville cable, you ND fans should be all right. I'm not geting DIRECT TV just for that, it's just not practical.
  
  Can we leave the b.s. about being snubed way back when , I mean history can be very selective for some jackass's, I guess it all depends on how far one wants to go back.
  But I know, some have been playing that "VICTIM" Role for so long they don't know there ass from there face.
  
  Study alittle history before we all wanna go walking down memory lane of who the victim is if anyone, some people just can't let sleeping dogs lie. Some fans only see and hear and remember what they want, and thats ok, but no need to call anyone out personally for a generalized statement.
  
  I say let ND join there precious BIG EAST. We don't need them, if they want in , fine. Does it make sense ? yes.
  But that doesn't mean it will happen.
  
  It appears to some think that the Big Ten was the only school or conferences that had snubed people.
  
  The thing most of the old time/die hards can't handle is, ounce they(ND) join a conference, they our on the path of being just another team in another conference, and not , special.
  
  Funny thing about history, it tends to repeat itself, vice versa sometimes.
• sjmvsfscs08

  That was hard to read, use your spell check.
  
  It is absolutely true if Notre Dame joins the Big Ten, or any conference for that matter, they would no longer be "special." No shit. The same thing happened with Penn State and Miami too.
  
  Is there anyone that would rather have Notre Dame join the Big East? That would be a terrible move in my opinion. It's Big Ten or remain an Independent.
• Pescara71

  sjmvsfscs08 wrote: That was hard to read, use your spell check.
  
  It is absolutely true if Notre Dame joins the Big Ten, or any conference for that matter, they would no longer be "special." No shit. The same thing happened with Penn State and Miami too.

  Sorry for the spelling I went to a Catholic school,, seriously, I did, I heard it all my whole life.
• Mr Pat

  sjmvsfscs08 wrote: It's really a win-win for everyone except the die-hard alumni of Notre Dame that favor an independent schedule. But Swarbrick is ahead of the curve and realizes that the very same independent schedule people love about Notre Dame is becoming nearly impossible to put together, just look at Tulsa, Utah, and Western Michigan being placed on the docket. With conferences growing, rivalries against Georgia Tech and Boston College have died.

  Well, that's because Swarbrick doesn't care about big time opponents. The neutral site that Swarbrick loves is what's killing the schedule. No self-respecting big time program is going to agree to playing at Notre Dame then playing at a neutral site. The reason the independent schedule "isn't working" is because the guy behind the curtain isn't letting it.
• stroups

  

  This is 100% off topic but I was reading this article about Scoot Weiland (former lead singer of Stone Temple Pilots and Velvet revolver) and he said that he is huge Notre Dame fan. I wouldn't picture him as football fan so I thought this was pretty cool.
  
  

  Q: I hear you're a fan of Notre Dame football. You're probably the last person I'd think of as a football guy.
  A: Oh man, massively. My dad played football there, and I go to at least one game every year. I get my Blue & Gold report every morning. My assistant prints it out, and I read it like the newspaper. In fact, I'm looking at it right now. There's this kid, Louis Nix, that we got coming in from Jacksonville. A high-school senior, who is six three, 315 pounds. Wow. He's living my dream.