New Bowl Game Debuts- Pinstripe Bowl

• ytownfootball

  

  I wouldn't presume to use the "backyard" as an excuse, just that that's the thought most will render.
  
  I agree that should anyone be able to lead the Big10 out of the "dark ages of three yards and a cloud of dust" it would be OSU and Tressel. It's not going to happen however, at least not short term. The risk outweighs the reward. OSU won't be in a title game or have the chance if they don't win the Big10, they have a formula that wins the Big 10 and has put them in more BCS bowls than most.
  
  Long term is another animal entirely. There is going to be expansion, likely 4 teams for a total of 16. Who comes in and what style/recruiting base they have remains to be seen. I could possibly see a change in philosophy were one needed to stay atop the league.
  
  We have a good thing going here. Ohio State is a solid program. We're not going to be in the title game every season, I can live with that. The point is for us, we're always in the hunt and always have a shot. Most can't say that, certainly in the Big10.
• Cleveland Buck

  

  The Big Ten is fine. They don't need to recruit a different style of lineman. Since the inception of the BCS the Big Ten has a winning record against the SEC in bowl games. The Big Ten is 10-11 in BCS bowls, hardly overmatched. The conference will never have the star rankings that they have in the SEC because you have to be able to read to attend Big Ten schools, but they still put as many players in the NFL as any other conference other than the SEC and aren't too far behind them. As long as they are coached up, Big Ten teams can compete with anyone.
• jordo212000

  

  This doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. Who wants to play a game in 20-30 degree weather? Isn't the point of most bowl games to go to a warm weather destination?
• TheMightyGators

  ytownfootball wrote:

  enigmaax wrote:

  ytownfootball wrote: Not addressing Miami specifically, just pointing out that were weather and cold temps not an issue then it wouldn't have been pointed out by announcing crews and cameramen that the Miami players were acting like they were playing a game located in the arctic circle rather than 48 degrees in Florida.

  The cold probably is an issue for teams who aren't used to it. The point is that warm weather is NOT an advantage for anyone. I can't count the number of times I've read posts that crutch on the fact that a bowl game was played in a warm weather locale as some kind of mitigating factor to an outcome. It isn't....at all. Northern teams don't recruit fat slow players so that they can play in the snow. They recruit the best players they can and sometimes they win, sometimes they lose, just like everyone else.

  That mitigating factor you speak of generally has to do with the fact that those warmer temperature means the game is being played in the SEC's backyard--a home game--and not relevent to the heat being a factor. Obviously not always the case but that's seems to be the general concensus.
  
  You bring up the fact that the Big10 recruits fat, slow players. I've pretty much come to the conclusion that the Big10 in general recruits these type players, not to play in the snow agreed, but to compete in the league they're in. Wisconsin, Iowa, Penn State, Sparty OSU...all huge lines that you must match up size wise not only to compete but in order to make it through the schedule healthy. Going up against that takes atoll on the bodies week in week out certainly. The 'smaller' teams get brutalized in the Big10, there are other issue with Michigan, but their smaller lineup got beat like a drum the last several seasons in the Big10, they used to be one of the big horses in the league. Now with a smaller line-up they're the doormat.
  
  Then comes the bowl game where a smaller, quicker lines of the SEC's and some other come in. They can manage to hang for a game with the bigs as they haven't had the snot knocked out them all season. They don't always win, but they've had their runs. I have a hard time saying one is better than the other because they each do what they do to compete against their respective leauges, most of the time recently the SEC has had the advantage, but I can't say it's a clear advantage based on what I've outlined.

  What a complete moronic post. First of all there is no such thing as a home game in bowl games, unless you are playing in your own stadium, or own city. I'm pretty sure LSU isn't exactly near Orlando, and Auburn isn't right next door to Tampa. Get a clue.
  Second of all the Big10 is recruiting the same players any other major conference is recruiting. The lines in the Big10 aren't any bigger than the lines in the SEC, and they certainly aren't any more physical. Get a clue.
• ytownfootball

  

  TheMightyGators wrote:

  ytownfootball wrote:

  enigmaax wrote:

  ytownfootball wrote: Not addressing Miami specifically, just pointing out that were weather and cold temps not an issue then it wouldn't have been pointed out by announcing crews and cameramen that the Miami players were acting like they were playing a game located in the arctic circle rather than 48 degrees in Florida.

  The cold probably is an issue for teams who aren't used to it. The point is that warm weather is NOT an advantage for anyone. I can't count the number of times I've read posts that crutch on the fact that a bowl game was played in a warm weather locale as some kind of mitigating factor to an outcome. It isn't....at all. Northern teams don't recruit fat slow players so that they can play in the snow. They recruit the best players they can and sometimes they win, sometimes they lose, just like everyone else.

  That mitigating factor you speak of generally has to do with the fact that those warmer temperature means the game is being played in the SEC's backyard--a home game--and not relevent to the heat being a factor. Obviously not always the case but that's seems to be the general concensus.
  
  You bring up the fact that the Big10 recruits fat, slow players. I've pretty much come to the conclusion that the Big10 in general recruits these type players, not to play in the snow agreed, but to compete in the league they're in. Wisconsin, Iowa, Penn State, Sparty OSU...all huge lines that you must match up size wise not only to compete but in order to make it through the schedule healthy. Going up against that takes atoll on the bodies week in week out certainly. The 'smaller' teams get brutalized in the Big10, there are other issue with Michigan, but their smaller lineup got beat like a drum the last several seasons in the Big10, they used to be one of the big horses in the league. Now with a smaller line-up they're the doormat.
  
  Then comes the bowl game where a smaller, quicker lines of the SEC's and some other come in. They can manage to hang for a game with the bigs as they haven't had the snot knocked out them all season. They don't always win, but they've had their runs. I have a hard time saying one is better than the other because they each do what they do to compete against their respective leauges, most of the time recently the SEC has had the advantage, but I can't say it's a clear advantage based on what I've outlined.

  What a complete moronic post. First of all there is no such thing as a home game in bowl games, unless you are playing in your own stadium, or own city. I'm pretty sure LSU isn't exactly near Orlando, and Auburn isn't right next door to Tampa. Get a clue.
  Second of all the Big10 is recruiting the same players any other major conference is recruiting. The lines in the Big10 aren't any bigger than the lines in the SEC, and they certainly aren't any more physical. Get a clue.

  Seriously? The only thing you can make comment on is a statement that more or less states the obvious? That being what most fans see/think outside the SEC?
  
  You obviously lack the the capacity to discuss anything rationally.
  
  Enjoy your power house OOC game against Florida State.
• TheMightyGators

  ytownfootball wrote:

  TheMightyGators wrote:

  ytownfootball wrote:

  enigmaax wrote:

  ytownfootball wrote: Not addressing Miami specifically, just pointing out that were weather and cold temps not an issue then it wouldn't have been pointed out by announcing crews and cameramen that the Miami players were acting like they were playing a game located in the arctic circle rather than 48 degrees in Florida.

  The cold probably is an issue for teams who aren't used to it. The point is that warm weather is NOT an advantage for anyone. I can't count the number of times I've read posts that crutch on the fact that a bowl game was played in a warm weather locale as some kind of mitigating factor to an outcome. It isn't....at all. Northern teams don't recruit fat slow players so that they can play in the snow. They recruit the best players they can and sometimes they win, sometimes they lose, just like everyone else.

  That mitigating factor you speak of generally has to do with the fact that those warmer temperature means the game is being played in the SEC's backyard--a home game--and not relevent to the heat being a factor. Obviously not always the case but that's seems to be the general concensus.
  
  You bring up the fact that the Big10 recruits fat, slow players. I've pretty much come to the conclusion that the Big10 in general recruits these type players, not to play in the snow agreed, but to compete in the league they're in. Wisconsin, Iowa, Penn State, Sparty OSU...all huge lines that you must match up size wise not only to compete but in order to make it through the schedule healthy. Going up against that takes atoll on the bodies week in week out certainly. The 'smaller' teams get brutalized in the Big10, there are other issue with Michigan, but their smaller lineup got beat like a drum the last several seasons in the Big10, they used to be one of the big horses in the league. Now with a smaller line-up they're the doormat.
  
  Then comes the bowl game where a smaller, quicker lines of the SEC's and some other come in. They can manage to hang for a game with the bigs as they haven't had the snot knocked out them all season. They don't always win, but they've had their runs. I have a hard time saying one is better than the other because they each do what they do to compete against their respective leauges, most of the time recently the SEC has had the advantage, but I can't say it's a clear advantage based on what I've outlined.

  What a complete moronic post. First of all there is no such thing as a home game in bowl games, unless you are playing in your own stadium, or own city. I'm pretty sure LSU isn't exactly near Orlando, and Auburn isn't right next door to Tampa. Get a clue.
  Second of all the Big10 is recruiting the same players any other major conference is recruiting. The lines in the Big10 aren't any bigger than the lines in the SEC, and they certainly aren't any more physical. Get a clue.

  Seriously? The only thing you can make comment on is a statement that more or less states the obvious? That being what most fans see/think outside the SEC?
  
  You obviously lack the the capacity to discuss anything rationally.
  
  Enjoy your power house OOC game against Florida State.

  
  
  If I am stating the obvious, then why did you say the complete opposite? Glad that you agree you were completey wrong in your statements. And I will enjoy the F$U game.
• ytownfootball

  

  That mitigating factor you speak of generally has to do with the fact that those warmer temperature means the game is being played in the SEC's backyard--a home game--and not relevent to the heat being a factor. Obviously not always the case but that's seems to be the general concensus.

  I stated the obvious fact you idiot and you could only respond to that portion of my entire post. I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Quit wasting the band width.