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Prescott

This could not happen at a worse time. Diebler has been playing and shooting well.X-rays have been negative, but he is wearing a splint.

http://www.cleveland.com/buckeyeblog/index.ssf/2010/02/ohio_states_jon_diebler_wearin.html

Benny The Jet

Probably hurt it being too awesome and draining all those 3's yesterday! haha Seriously though, that kid has a awesome stroke..hope he's ready to go Wednesday.

centralbucksfan

For a "soft" player, he sure looked good playing/shooting thru that injury on Sunday!

I noticed it had it wrapped during the game. Better hope he is ready to go for Weds or OSU could be in trouble. They need Dieblier along with the other 4 starters to have a chance vs a VERY good Purdue team.

thedynasty1998

First off, he is soft.

Secondly, he did play well on Sunday and he is an important piece to this team's success. They are not as good of a team without him. Hopefully it's not a significant injury and it doesn't affect his shooting (it is his shooting hand). This is a HUGE week for the Bucks as they could work themselves up to a #2 seed if they win both games and win the Big 10 regular season title.

Although some on here would say that his presence alone makes OSU a better team even if he's not contributing. So, if he is indeed hurt, maybe he will go ahead and play and his presence alone will make him effective.

mallymal614

lol he is soft? how?

thedynasty1998

mallymal614 wrote: lol he is soft? how?

The eye test. When I see someone get pushed around for rebounds, not come up with loose balls and be highly inconsistent, I associate that with being soft.

I've probably been overly critical of Diebler this year, and I do understand the importance he brings to this team. And It's obvious how much better this OSU team is when Diebler is making shots. But he'll never be confused as being a tough player.

slingshot4ever

^^^^

This.

centralbucksfan

slingshot4ever wrote: ^^^^

This.

^^^ NOT. Being "soft" has nothing to do with what was mentioned above. Diebler is not soft. YOu don't do what he has done in his entire career in basketball, and be "soft". He may not be the most physically talented player, but he is far from soft. There is a difference.

I drain 3's

I agree with dynasty on this one. I don't watch every OSU game, but the ones I have, very rarely does Diebler put in the energy and effort to go after rebounds, loose balls, etc. Which causes me to believe that he does not like getting physical. Not physical = soft.

september63

He is soft. He can be effective on offense and his defense has improved. In his OSU career of just under 3000 minutes, during 3 seasons, he has 30 offensive rebounds. He is playing to his potential. Ive been overly criitical too but Ill give him props!! NBA potential=Zero

bulldog8

He probably has a severe paper cut on his shooting wrist.....Although he played tough yesterday, took the ball to the hoop, grabbed some rebounds, and played defense, he is still in no way a tough player. I drain 3's said it best, not being physical = soft. I understand that the keys to his game are to stand out beyond the arc, lift 3's every chance he gets, and spread the floor, but these are the reason he is a soft player. Not so sure if it's really his toughness or his role in the system that causes him to come off as soft.

thedynasty1998

A paper cut, that's hilarious.

I guess I'm not in the minority here, which is good to see.

slingshot4ever

^^^^

Just cbf as usual.

centralbucksfan

slingshot4ever wrote: ^^^^

Just cbf as usual.

Ahhh, breaks my heart. And I think cbf has been just about on the money with this team this year, since the beginning. Please don't make me repost what some of you were saying..it would make most of you look foolish.

The guy is playing and competing at the highest level of college basketball. You don't do that by being soft.
And believe you me, having been around the OSU program enough...if Deibler was soft, he wouldn't be seeing the floor for a coach like Matta. That I do know.

thedynasty1998

So because someone plays in the Big 10 they are not soft? What about BJ Mullens. Hell there are guys in the NBA some would consider soft.

When you are a shooter and a shooter alone, you can be soft because you have a specialty.

And just because you have been right about a few things this year doesn't mean that Diebler is tough.

You are naïve if you think Diebler is tough.

centralbucksfan

thedynasty1998 wrote: So because someone plays in the Big 10 they are not soft? What about BJ Mullens. Hell there are guys in the NBA some would consider soft.

When you are a shooter and a shooter alone, you can be soft because you have a specialty.

And just because you have been right about a few things this year doesn't mean that Diebler is tough.

You are naïve if you think Diebler is tough.

I am not so sure I ever said Deibler was tough. But I don't believe he is soft either. Banging and being physical isn't his game. And yes there are soft players in the Big Ten...they are sitting the bench and not starting or scoring double figures. Think what you will, but you don't get to where he is by being soft. You don't score over 3000pts, at ANY level by being soft. Saw him play in HS, and he was litterally beaten up, doubled, hammered, nite after nite...and never backed down and continued to just go at teams. He also averaged 13 rebounds per game as a senior.
Just because he is white, not as athletic/quick as others, can't jump as high...doesn't equate to being soft.
I realize what he is to this team, something I have pointed out numerous times. His shooting is extremely important to this team. If you look at past great teams, all have had a guy that is there to knock down the 3 for them. That is Diebler role on this team, no question.
But again, you don't do what he did in HS, along with doing what he is doing now at OSU, by being soft. You couldn't be more wrong. On top of that, your hatred towards Diebler is so obvious, that your unable to have an unbias opinion about him IMO.

Again, we can agree to disagree...although I'll end up being right..just as I was about this OSU team being better then last year, doing what they are doing in the Big Ten along with my discussion on how good Turner is.

BTW< thanks for bringing up Mullens...there was a reason he didn't start, and only played 20 min a game for Matta.

Big Gain

dynasty is a Diebler hater PERIOD. He chooses not to notice when Diebler takes a charge. He chooses not to notice when Diebler battles for and/or gets a rebound. He chooses not to see when Diebler has gotten on the floor after a loose ball. He chooses not to see when Diebler has faked a 3-pointer and driven to the basket. He chooses not to notice Diebler's improvement on defense. Dynasty doesn't even watch all of Ohio State's games. Why has Diebler played more minutes than any other player if he is "soft". I DARE dynasty to ask Matta if he considers Diebler "soft".

Your wasting you're time CBF telling dynasty how Diebler was pounded on in high school and his three broken noses from forearm shivers to the face and he never backed down. Dynasty will call you names for talking about Diebler before playing for Ohio State.

Dynasty hates Diebler. Dynasry also hates Madsen. Dynasty hated Koufos and Mullens. Does Dynasty hate all white players?

bulldog8

Diebler surely doesn't play all those minutes because he's a scrapper.....I'm thinking maybe Matta plays Diebler so much because he is an assassin from beyond the arc!? It doesnt take Quantum Mechanics to figure out that Diebler needs to be on the floor for a high amount of minutes because he has the potential to change any close game in a heartbeat with his outside shooting. I still think he is soft irregardless, but maybe that's just because he's always standing around Dallas Lauderdale

The kid does his job, is a terrific shooter, and is vital to this team. Whether soft or not, any Buckeye fan that discredits his importance is evidently ignorant to the essentials of basketball. However, thedynasty has not done that in any of his posts. He acknowledges his importance and so what if he and myself think he is soft? Do you think his playing time or style is going to change because we say he is soft? The kid is damn good, but it's really not too much of a stretch for anyone to characterize him as "soft." Hell 5 people have already indicated on this thread that they think this is the case so it's obviously the majority opinion. What does it even matter how soft he is though? I'll take a soft sniper any day of the week.

I drain 3's

centralbucksfan wrote:
thedynasty1998 wrote: So because someone plays in the Big 10 they are not soft? What about BJ Mullens. Hell there are guys in the NBA some would consider soft.

When you are a shooter and a shooter alone, you can be soft because you have a specialty.

And just because you have been right about a few things this year doesn't mean that Diebler is tough.

You are naïve if you think Diebler is tough.
I am not so sure I ever said Deibler was tough. But I don't believe he is soft either. Banging and being physical isn't his game. And yes there are soft players in the Big Ten...they are sitting the bench and not starting or scoring double figures. Think what you will, but you don't get to where he is by being soft. You don't score over 3000pts, at ANY level by being soft. Saw him play in HS, and he was litterally beaten up, doubled, hammered, nite after nite...and never backed down and continued to just go at teams. He also averaged 13 rebounds per game as a senior.
Just because he is white, not as athletic/quick as others, can't jump as high...doesn't equate to being soft.
I realize what he is to this team, something I have pointed out numerous times. His shooting is extremely important to this team. If you look at past great teams, all have had a guy that is there to knock down the 3 for them. That is Diebler role on this team, no question.
But again, you don't do what he did in HS, along with doing what he is doing now at OSU, by being soft. You couldn't be more wrong. On top of that, your hatred towards Diebler is so obvious, that your unable to have an unbias opinion about him IMO.

Again, we can agree to disagree...although I'll end up being right..just as I was about this OSU team being better then last year, doing what they are doing in the Big Ten along with my discussion on how good Turner is.

BTW< thanks for bringing up Mullens...there was a reason he didn't start, and only played 20 min a game for Matta.

His high school achievements are great and all, but this isn't high school anymore. I mean, if he really isn't a soft player and can get in there and scrap and fight for rebounds, why is he only averaging 3 rebounds per game? And yes, I understand having guys like Turner and Lauderdale means they're going to get a fair amount of rebounds, but the dude plays over 35 minutes a game. Which equates to roughly 1 rebound per ten minutes of game time. That's on both offense and defense. Think of how many possessions there are usually in a 10 minute time span in a college basketball game. Out of all those possessions, Diebler might get one rebound. If you want to see some hard fighting, tough, physical players, then look no further than Ohio State's next game against Purdue. Kramer and Hummel are both tough, physical players. Diebler doesn't even come close to them in that aspect. He's soft, simple as that.

mward31

I drain 3's wrote:
centralbucksfan wrote:
thedynasty1998 wrote: So because someone plays in the Big 10 they are not soft? What about BJ Mullens. Hell there are guys in the NBA some would consider soft.

When you are a shooter and a shooter alone, you can be soft because you have a specialty.

And just because you have been right about a few things this year doesn't mean that Diebler is tough.

You are naïve if you think Diebler is tough.
I am not so sure I ever said Deibler was tough. But I don't believe he is soft either. Banging and being physical isn't his game. And yes there are soft players in the Big Ten...they are sitting the bench and not starting or scoring double figures. Think what you will, but you don't get to where he is by being soft. You don't score over 3000pts, at ANY level by being soft. Saw him play in HS, and he was litterally beaten up, doubled, hammered, nite after nite...and never backed down and continued to just go at teams. He also averaged 13 rebounds per game as a senior.
Just because he is white, not as athletic/quick as others, can't jump as high...doesn't equate to being soft.
I realize what he is to this team, something I have pointed out numerous times. His shooting is extremely important to this team. If you look at past great teams, all have had a guy that is there to knock down the 3 for them. That is Diebler role on this team, no question.
But again, you don't do what he did in HS, along with doing what he is doing now at OSU, by being soft. You couldn't be more wrong. On top of that, your hatred towards Diebler is so obvious, that your unable to have an unbias opinion about him IMO.

Again, we can agree to disagree...although I'll end up being right..just as I was about this OSU team being better then last year, doing what they are doing in the Big Ten along with my discussion on how good Turner is.

BTW< thanks for bringing up Mullens...there was a reason he didn't start, and only played 20 min a game for Matta.
His high school achievements are great and all, but this isn't high school anymore. I mean, if he really isn't a soft player and can get in there and scrap and fight for rebounds, why is he only averaging 3 rebounds per game? And yes, I understand having guys like Turner and Lauderdale means they're going to get a fair amount of rebounds, but the dude plays over 35 minutes a game. Which equates to roughly 1 rebound per ten minutes of game time. That's on both offense and defense. Think of how many possessions there are usually in a 10 minute time span in a college basketball game. Out of all those possessions, Diebler might get one rebound. If you want to see some hard fighting, tough, physical players, then look no further than Ohio State's next game against Purdue. Kramer and Hummel are both tough, physical players. Diebler doesn't even come close to them in that aspect. He's soft, simple as that.

I think it is ridiculous that this thread has turned into "is Jon Diebler soft or not?" Who cares? I am way more concerned about how his sprained wrist will affect his shooting stroke. That's obviously the main reason he is on the floor and the Buckeyes are a really tough team when Diebler can get at least a few good looks and he is knocking them down like he was this past Sunday.

But what is even more ridiculous is your argument that he is soft because the skinny shooting guard averages 3.0 rebounds a game. David Lighty averages a whopping 1.5 more rebounds a game than Diebler and Chris Kramer averages 3.2 boards a game. Using stats to determine a player's toughness or "softness" is just silly. Obviously some fans think he is soft, some don't, but it is not something that can be argued with statistics.

The bottom line is it doesn't mean a damn thing and the most important thing is that this wrist injury doesn't adversely affect his shooting touch. I think all Buckeye fans can agree on that about Diebler: he's the best outside shooter on the team and arguably the best in the Big Ten.

tcarrier32

diebler soft? some posters ignorance is showing.

fortfan

He was shooting at practice last night-he should be able to go tomorrow.

se-alum

Dynasty has had it out for Diebler from day one.

thedynasty1998

The reason I've "had it out for him" is because I don't think he lives up to his potential every game.

At the beginning of the year, I said that he should get 10 shots every single game no matter what. If he's not hitting, keep shooting. That's his role on the team. Obviously some games he's going to get defended better or be hotter than others. I understand his importance to the team and the offensive scheme, but I think in order to leave an impact on any game he needs 10 shots because he is OSU's best shooter, and they are a much better team when he's on.

I've said all along that if Diebler is hitting his shots and the others play solid, OSU can beat anyone in the country. But my problem comes with his inconsistencies and it's just something that drives me crazy. I understand that players have good and bad games, but there should never be a game when he only gets 3-4 shots up and doesn't impact the game with his rebounding or playmaking.

I want Diebler to excel as much as anyone, but I get frustrated when he doesn't help his team win.

These next two games will be telling for this OSU team, and they are a much better team when Diebler is playing well, so hopefully he's healthy and can do what he's best at, which is attempt and make some shots.

I drain 3's

mward31 wrote:
I drain 3's wrote:
centralbucksfan wrote:
thedynasty1998 wrote: So because someone plays in the Big 10 they are not soft? What about BJ Mullens. Hell there are guys in the NBA some would consider soft.

When you are a shooter and a shooter alone, you can be soft because you have a specialty.

And just because you have been right about a few things this year doesn't mean that Diebler is tough.

You are naïve if you think Diebler is tough.
I am not so sure I ever said Deibler was tough. But I don't believe he is soft either. Banging and being physical isn't his game. And yes there are soft players in the Big Ten...they are sitting the bench and not starting or scoring double figures. Think what you will, but you don't get to where he is by being soft. You don't score over 3000pts, at ANY level by being soft. Saw him play in HS, and he was litterally beaten up, doubled, hammered, nite after nite...and never backed down and continued to just go at teams. He also averaged 13 rebounds per game as a senior.
Just because he is white, not as athletic/quick as others, can't jump as high...doesn't equate to being soft.
I realize what he is to this team, something I have pointed out numerous times. His shooting is extremely important to this team. If you look at past great teams, all have had a guy that is there to knock down the 3 for them. That is Diebler role on this team, no question.
But again, you don't do what he did in HS, along with doing what he is doing now at OSU, by being soft. You couldn't be more wrong. On top of that, your hatred towards Diebler is so obvious, that your unable to have an unbias opinion about him IMO.

Again, we can agree to disagree...although I'll end up being right..just as I was about this OSU team being better then last year, doing what they are doing in the Big Ten along with my discussion on how good Turner is.

BTW< thanks for bringing up Mullens...there was a reason he didn't start, and only played 20 min a game for Matta.
His high school achievements are great and all, but this isn't high school anymore. I mean, if he really isn't a soft player and can get in there and scrap and fight for rebounds, why is he only averaging 3 rebounds per game? And yes, I understand having guys like Turner and Lauderdale means they're going to get a fair amount of rebounds, but the dude plays over 35 minutes a game. Which equates to roughly 1 rebound per ten minutes of game time. That's on both offense and defense. Think of how many possessions there are usually in a 10 minute time span in a college basketball game. Out of all those possessions, Diebler might get one rebound. If you want to see some hard fighting, tough, physical players, then look no further than Ohio State's next game against Purdue. Kramer and Hummel are both tough, physical players. Diebler doesn't even come close to them in that aspect. He's soft, simple as that.
I think it is ridiculous that this thread has turned into "is Jon Diebler soft or not?" Who cares? I am way more concerned about how his sprained wrist will affect his shooting stroke. That's obviously the main reason he is on the floor and the Buckeyes are a really tough team when Diebler can get at least a few good looks and he is knocking them down like he was this past Sunday.

But what is even more ridiculous is your argument that he is soft because the skinny shooting guard averages 3.0 rebounds a game. David Lighty averages a whopping 1.5 more rebounds a game than Diebler and Chris Kramer averages 3.2 boards a game. Using stats to determine a player's toughness or "softness" is just silly. Obviously some fans think he is soft, some don't, but it is not something that can be argued with statistics.

The bottom line is it doesn't mean a damn thing and the most important thing is that this wrist injury doesn't adversely affect his shooting touch. I think all Buckeye fans can agree on that about Diebler: he's the best outside shooter on the team and arguably the best in the Big Ten.

The only reason I brought up his rebounds is that it was brought up about how many he averaged his senior year in high school. The dude is just not tough, straight and simple. He's not a physical player. It's obvious he is mainly concerned with his offensive output, which somewhat he should be, because he's our team's biggest outside threat, but if he wants to take that next step, he's gotta bring it on both ends of the floor. Take some pride in defense.

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