NBA Stock Falling and Risng

• Prescott

  Which players have seen their NBA stock rise and fall this year.
  
  Falling: Ed Davis, Kyle Singler, Willie Warren.
  
  Rising: Jon Scheyer, Greg Monroe,Demetri McCamey
• Hb31187

  

  Scheyer rising? Hes 2nd round at best, I guess he could be rising if he was considered going undrafted earlier this year
• Prescott

  I think Scheyer has played well enough to get the attention of some NBA people. I'm not saying he will play in the league or even get drafted.
• Hb31187

  

  Ooh, then i misunderstood your post
• Mulva

  

  Rising: Dexter Pittman, Dominique Jones
  
  Falling: Devin Ebanks
• Laley23

  

  Rising...and this HAS to be the #1 guy:
  
  -Wesley Johnson
• Automatik

  

  lol at Scheyer rising. He will be a pedestrian in the NBA.
• Prescott

  lol at Scheyer rising. He will be a pedestrian in the NBA.

  You are missing the point of the thread. I contend that Scheyer's play this year has made him more attractive to the NBA people than he was at the beginning of the year. I am not debating his future in the NBA.
• swamisez

  

  A scout told 99.9 the Fan here in Raleigh that Scheyer has made himself into a "Steve Nash" type player.
  
  I was shocked to hear this. The scout said that Scheyer has done all his team needs him to do, scoring, playmaking, defensively. He won't be an NBA superstar by any stretch but he could be a good addition to a team needing capable guard play.
  
  What I don't get is how he said he was Nash-like then not being a superstar. Nash won 3 MVP's right?
• Prescott

  Scheyer's problem at the next level will defending.If he is a PG, like Nash, he will have to defend guys like Rondo, Billups, Williams, Evans, Rose, etc.... I'm not sure he posseses the lateral quickness to do that.
• reclegend22

  

  Let's not pretend Nash is a solid defender. Frankly, he doesn't play much defense.
  
  But I would be of the population that wouldn't compare Scheyer to Nash. I understand the "similar player" argument, but Nash won at least two straight MVPS, and maybe three as swami mentioned above.
  
  If Scheyer can continue to improve his outside shot -- and he already has an excellent one, hitting 70 of 170 from beyond the arc this season for 41% -- and further develop his already exceptional play-maker skills inside the arc, he can most definitely make it into the League. I've said this for a long, long time, but most here seem to lash out each time the idea was presented. I won't name names, but Duke hate had a lot to do with it. (Interestingly enough, I wouldn't label prescott in this category, as he has always seemed to at least entertain the idea of Scheyer playing in the NBA.)
  
  Anyhow, I see Scheyer resembling more a Doug Christie than a Steve Nash. Someone who isn't overtly athletic, but can surprise you with his playmaking in other ways: swift change in direction, superior ball handling, deceptive driving ability, capability of finishing inside and getting to the line, etc. Also, like Christie, Scheyer is an excellent long-range shooter, so he has the ability to stretch defenses and open the lanes for himself. Which helps Scheyer in another category Christie was so brilliant in while playing for the run-and-gun Kings in the early '00s, an extraordinary passing game. The one difference here is that Christie was a stout defender, but my comparison is more geared offensively in nature.
  
  Scheyer is a crafty player who can create his own shot, consistently score from deep, pass in the lanes exceptionally and holds his own defensively. He does lack lateral quickness and is much better defensively off the ball (most of this is due to injuries he suffered over the past couple of years, because at one time he was a solid, solid on-ball defender), but that can be hidden on a team with superior athletic defenders in the NBA. Any player with all of these qualities can find a spot in the League. This is the same league that Jon Sundvold averaged 11 PPG in.
  
  He certainly has a great shot at getting drafted.
• tiger1990

  I think Jason Love from Xavier will get a look - definitely rising as a post prescence
• Laley23

  

  Nash isnt a great defender....but he became a superstar in a system that allowed him to succeed without playing defense. That team thrived because of the run and gun style they played and their defense (or lack there of) made other teams do it as well. Nash wouldve been good (he was in Dallas) but the system in Phoenix made him great.
  
  Schyer wont have that luxury (most likely) to be on a team like that. Thus, while his game may be like Nash, the system wont make him into a superstar like it did for Nash. But I do see how the comparisons can be made.
• Prescott

  I think the Doug Christie comarison is off base. Christie was a 1st round pick and was a 4-time member of the NBA all defensive team. Sceyer will never be on the NBA all defensive team.
  
  
  A better compariosn would be Drew Barry.
• reclegend22

  

  I actually just edited my original post before you made mention of this. I agree with you about Christie's defense.
  

  reclegend22 wrote:The one difference here is that Christie was a stout defender, but my comparison is more geared offensively in nature.

  Offensively, the two are very comparable. Even down to their size and court demeanor.
• reclegend22

  

  This isn't to say, however, that Scheyer can't become a solid NBA defender. He definitely owns the intangibles to do so. He's much more equipped than, say, Steve Nash was to become a good NBA defender at this same point in their careers.
• Prescott

  I have to be honest, I see ZERO comparison between Steve Nash and Jon Sceyer.
  
  Nash is ultra-quick with the ball, passes adroitly with either hand , can score around the basket with an assortment of clever shots, and shoots 44% from behind the arc.
  
  Scheyer has had a very good season, but he does not have the skill set that Nash has.
• reclegend22

  

  I would actually agree. If Nash were black and everything else remained the same, he and Scheyer wouldn't be anywhere near the same player in anyone's mind. Sounds stupid, but probably true.
  
  I like my Christie comparison (offensively), but I might be inclined to build off prescott's Drew Barry idea and say that Scheyer resembles more a Jon Barry. Both are comparable physically, both have great handle and passing ability, play smart and controlled games and really shoot the ball and fill the net. I might argue that Scheyer is a more crafty player inside the arc, but Jon Barry was certainly no slouch. He was a major contributor to those Kings teams mentioned above in the late '90s and later for the Detroit Pistons when they were just starting to build their world champion run.
  
  True that Barry was a first round selection like Christie, but I see Scheyer as having more upside. Who knows, though, it is awfully hard to make these types of comparisons. They rarely come remotely close to becoming reality. Scheyer is his own player and if he has enough talent, he'll carve his own legacy.