The Notre Dame Dillema
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Mooney44Cards
actually 1-2 in NC games, but either way...
dwc, you're acting like coaches somehow forget how to win certain games. Oklahoma has rarely had the best team in the country yet they're in the NC talk every year so I'd argue that Stoops has overacheived in his tenure at Oklahoma compared to the talent he's had. -
killer_ewok
Yeah, I disagree with dwc there. Stoops would be a great hire for ND. His teams have not fared well lately in BCS bowls but he has won a national title and has BCS bowl wins which is more than any of the last 3 ND coaches can say. And failures as of late aren't guaranteed to continue. -
dwccrew
Hamp89 wrote:
Huh? It's asanine to think Stoops can't win a BCS game again. In his 10 years at Oklahoma, he has been to 7 BCS games. Granted he is 2-5 in those games, but to question his success as a coach is incredibly ingnorant. His worst season was his first year at Oklahoma with a 7-5 record, and he has lit it up every year after as a consistent top 10 team, 1-1 in Nat'l championship games.dwccrew wrote: Stoops can't win BCS bowls anymore. Not sure if I was Notre Dame I would want him. I guess he's better than Charlie. I still think a Harbaugh or Kelly type coach would be better.
Notre Dame would KILL to be put in that position again.
Ok, first off, let's get it right guys. Stoops is 1-3 in the NC game. Not 1-1, not 1-2. He's lost to LSU(03), USC(04) and Florida last season.Mooney44Cards wrote: actually 1-2 in NC games, but either way...
dwc, you're acting like coaches somehow forget how to win certain games. Oklahoma has rarely had the best team in the country yet they're in the NC talk every year so I'd argue that Stoops has overacheived in his tenure at Oklahoma compared to the talent he's had.
Secondly, how can you say Oklahoma has overachieved? They are consistently ranked top 5 every year. That automatically puts you in national title talk. Losing to Boise St., WVU and this season alone are all underachieving stories of Stoops and OU. Now, I am not saying he is a bad coach. He is a very good coach, I just don't think he is what ND needs. I think he has already peaked as a coach. I think an up and comer would be better suited for ND. Someone who is having success at a less prestigious program. My opinion, not sure why you guys are getting your panties in a bunch.
I can agree with this. He is a much better get than any of the last 3 that ND has had.killer_ewok wrote: Yeah, I disagree with dwc there. Stoops would be a great hire for ND. His teams have not fared well lately in BCS bowls but he has won a national title and has BCS bowl wins which is more than any of the last 3 ND coaches can say. And failures as of late aren't guaranteed to continue. -
Hamp89My bad, I meant to type 1-2, but you're right, he's 1-3 in NC games. No panties in a bunch here, it just seemed you were making an outragious claim, and I felt a counter was necessary.
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athlete37
Here is the decade before Stoops, tell me Stoops has made Oklahoma DAY AND NIGHT better:
Gibbs-Schnellenberger-Blake era (1990–1998)
Succeeding Switzer was his defensive coordinator Gary Gibbs. Gibbs went 44–23–2 in six years, and largely succeeded in cleaning up the program's image. He found it hard to please boosters and administrators with an 8-3 year. Ultimately, it was his record against Oklahoma's rivals that did him in. Gibbs went 2-15-1 against Texas, Nebraska and Colorado. In addition to his record, many feel Gibbs was not comfortable around alumni, the media, or with being a head coach in general.[29]
To replace Gibbs, Oklahoma looked towards the seasoned Howard Schnellenberger, then 61 years old. Schnellenberger had won a national championship at Miami and turned around a once-moribund Louisville program. In the end, he was almost too sure of himself. He was quoted as saying, "They will write books and make movies about my time here."[29] Ultimately, his 1995 team went 5–5–1 and he was done. Despite some perception that Schnellenberger had been fired for his team's on-field performance, the end of his tenure as Oklahoma's head coach was brought on after several off-field incidents brought into question his management of the team. Once such incident included the purported purposeful deprivation of water to athletes during hot weather practices, resulting in the hospitalization of at least one student-athlete due to heat-related illness. The incident, combined with numerous anecdotal incidents involving alleged public intoxication, drew new, negative attention to the program, and as a result, university president David Boren fired Schnellenberger. Many feel he was doomed from the beginning because of his lack of interest in the history of Oklahoma football, neither its coaches or its players, a fact he was not shy about. He ordered numerous old files to be thrown out; instead, they were archived without his knowledge.[29]
The Sooners enter the field to take on their opponent on 2007-09-15.For the 1996 season, Oklahoma hired former player John Blake. Blake was the favorite to succeed Schnellenberger and was backed by Barry Switzer, Steve Owens, and former Oklahoma president George Lynn Cross.[29] However, many were skeptical of Oklahoma's choice for the new coach. His coaching experience was very limited, especially compared to his predecessor. Blake was an assistant coach for three years in the NFL, a wide receivers coach for one year at Tulsa, and a defensive assistant at Oklahoma for four years. The skeptics were proven right. In Blake's first season, he went 3–8. It was the worst record, percentage wise, Oklahoma had experienced since 1895 and is tied for the most losses in one year (along with Blake's 1997 squad) to this very day. In his three years at Oklahoma, Blake went 3–8, 4–8, and 5–6. It was the first time since 1922–1924 that Oklahoma had three consecutive losing seasons. Blake's largest contribution to the team was his recruiting. He set the stage by recruiting several players that would excel under the next coach, including J.T. Thatcher, Josh Norman, Roy Williams and Rocky Calmus.