Plain and simple: Should Charlie Weis be fired?

• darbypitcher22

  

  ewok,
  
  the problem is there's nobody to protect the top guy on that list so he can get the other three guys the ball.
• killer_ewok

  

  darbypitcher22 wrote: ewok,
  
  the problem is there's nobody to protect the top guy on that list so he can get the other three guys the ball.

  Disagree. The offensive line has played pretty well this season. Sam Young and Co. haven't been that bad this year. It's not a great o-line, but it's good enough. At least for '09.
• sjmvsfscs08

  The problem hasn't been the offense, it has been the defense. Would it not be cheaper for Notre Dame to fire Tenuta and hire a top notch defensive coordinator at 1mil/yr, rather than fire Weis (18mil) and hire a new coach (3-5mil/yr).
  
  Can anyone here honestly say that if Notre Dame had a top 25 defensive unit, they wouldn't be undefeated right now?
  
  I still think the best option is to fire Tenuta. However, a loss to Connecticut would probably change that opinion.
• Hamp89

  sjmvsfscs08 wrote: The problem hasn't been the offense, it has been the defense. Would it not be cheaper for Notre Dame to fire Tenuta and hire a top notch defensive coordinator at 1mil/yr, rather than fire Weis (18mil) and hire a new coach (3-5mil/yr).
  
  Can anyone here honestly say that if Notre Dame had a top 25 defensive unit, they wouldn't be undefeated right now?
  
  I still think the best option is to fire Tenuta. However, a loss to Connecticut would probably change that opinion.

  Nah, I'm tired of seeing a team that isn't motivated or excited on game day, and that comes from the leader, Weis. I'm ready for a change.
• killer_ewok

  

  For all of the talk about how highly ranked the offense is in yards......Notre Dame has the 46th ranked scoring offense in the country. Not great at all. Also, when you look at scoring breakdowns......ND's offense did most of it's damage (on the scoreboard) in the 2nd half and in particular the 4th quarter. I'm sorry, but that has A LOT to do with calling the game conservatively early on most of the year. And we know who that comes back to. My point is the offense and Weis are not without blame here. Let's not blame it all on the defense even though they have stunk for the most part.
  
  Firing Tenuta isn't a cure all. I'm with Hamp and others. Weis has had his opportunity and he received ample time. Let's move on.
• OneBuckeye

  

  There are some rumors out there that he has already been fired, and will be announced after the Stanford game FWIW.
• Hamp89

  OneBuckeye wrote: There are some rumors out there that he has already been fired, and will be announced after the Stanford game FWIW.

  I wouldn't be surprised. He looked/sounded pretty down and beat up during his press conference today.
• rock_knutne

  OneBuckeye wrote: There are some rumors out there that he has already been fired, and will be announced after the Stanford game FWIW.

  Weis said in his presser that is not the case.
• Hamp89

  rock_knutne wrote:

  OneBuckeye wrote: There are some rumors out there that he has already been fired, and will be announced after the Stanford game FWIW.

  Weis said in his presser that is not the case.

  I heard that, but really what would you expect him to say?
• rock_knutne

  darbypitcher22 wrote: Why shouldn't Meyer leave? because eventhough he's got 3 titles in 5 years he's in one of the top talent areas for recruiting and can bring in 25 studs year in and year out; you don't rebuild(unless you're Zook and you DESTROY that program) at Florida; you reload.

  So what? He still calls ND his "dream" job and has zero challenge's left at Florida. If the ND administration knows they can get him, they'll break the bank.
• sherm03

  

  I've heard the same rumors. People say that's why he canceled the press conference on Sunday for the first time in his tenure. In addition, the University blocked the university plane from showing up on flightaware.com (a site that allows you to track any flight). Looks like they're really trying to keep things on the DL.
  
  Ewok,
  Here's some stats to back up your point. In Notre Dame's 4 losses (Michigan, USC, Navy, and Pitt) the Irish were outscored in the first three quarters by a score of 92-44. In the fourth quarters, though...the Irish outscored their opponents 60-30.
• OneBuckeye

  

  We will see... I am not sure what ND's problem is. I am a buckeye fan and don't comment much on ND. But I think it is defense and defensive recruiting problem. I can think of a lot of stud offensive recruits charlie has brought in but no defensive recruits except for Teo. NDs offensive game this year isn't bad and can compete with anyone IMO. They just have never had a stud running back who can go for 100 at anytime. Their last great RB left as a junior and went undrafted. I think that hurt ND a lot. Tate and Floyd are certified studs, and are the best recruits charlie has ever got. I think he deserves to stay but he needs to turn things around on defense.
• rock_knutne

  Hamp89 wrote:

  rock_knutne wrote:

  OneBuckeye wrote: There are some rumors out there that he has already been fired, and will be announced after the Stanford game FWIW.

  Weis said in his presser that is not the case.

  I heard that, but really what would you expect him to say?

  sherm03 wrote: I've heard the same rumors. People say that's why he canceled the press conference on Sunday for the first time in his tenure. In addition, the University blocked the university plane from showing up on flightaware.com (a site that allows you to track any flight). Looks like they're really trying to keep things on the DL.
  
  Ewok,
  Here's some stats to back up your point. In Notre Dame's 4 losses (Michigan, USC, Navy, and Pitt) the Irish were outscored in the first three quarters by a score of 92-44. In the fourth quarters, though...the Irish outscored their opponents 60-30.

  Clip from the presser:
  
  http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4663651
  
  Also, the Sunday presser was cancelled because of the teams extremely late arrival time.........so they say.
• OneBuckeye

  

  ^ From Pittsburg? That is a long trip eh?
• killer_ewok

  

  Rock-You provide a lot of solid reasons why Meyer might consider ND. The whole "dream job" thing, a new challenge, $$$$$, etc. However, what if Urban wants to become one of (if not the) greatest coaches to ever walk the sidelines in the college game? In that case, he isn't going anywhere. He has it made at Florida and if what I said about his aspirations is correct - forget about it. Also, I believe that he still has a son in High School and has no desire to pick up and move his son out of his current High School until he graduates. It's been about a year since I read that but I think that's right. ND can't wait on Urban Meyer's son to finish High School to make a move.
• darbypitcher22

  

  even then I don't think he goes.
• killer_ewok

  

  darbypitcher22 wrote: even then I don't think he goes.

  I don't either. Just sayin'....
• darbypitcher22

  

  I know you Golden Domers are salivating over the thought of having him in South Bend.
• killer_ewok

  

  darbypitcher22 wrote: I know you Golden Domers are salivating over the thought of having him in South Bend.

  Actually I know several ND fans who think it's either unrealistic or he's not at the top of their list.
  
  I've been saying for a while now that there's pretty much zero chance that it happens and Harbaugh is at the top of my list. No salivating here.....
• rock_knutne

  OneBuckeye wrote: ^ From Pittsburg? That is a long trip eh?

  
  I was at that game and worked the sidelines for ESPN (friend of mine hooked me up), they didn't leave the stadium until 12:30 (I know because I had my picture taken with quite a few players when they were leaving) and even then the city was still a complete zoo. The Pens also played that night and the Rivers Casino was full go because of the Steeler game the very next day. I could buy the story of a late arrival to South Bend. Plus, who knows what happened once they got to the airport, like I said there was alot of traffic in Pittsburgh that weekend.
• rock_knutne

  killer_ewok wrote: Rock-You provide a lot of solid reasons why Meyer might consider ND. The whole "dream job" thing, a new challenge, $$$$$, etc. However, what if Urban wants to become one of (if not the) greatest coaches to ever walk the sidelines in the college game? In that case, he isn't going anywhere. He has it made at Florida and if what I said about his aspirations is correct - forget about it. Also, I believe that he still has a son in High School and has no desire to pick up and move his son out of his current High School until he graduates. It's been about a year since I read that but I think that's right. ND can't wait on Urban Meyer's son to finish High School to make a move.

  We will see. I think the job is a little more enticing for Meyer knowing full well that he would have a decent team when he arrived and that he can still recruit blue chippers at ND.
  
  I've been reading a few ND message boards and alot of people feel that the administration would be willing to lighten up on admission standards too. IMO, they will offer him the job again when Weis is canned, if he takes is another story.
• rock_knutne

  killer_ewok wrote:Harbaugh is at the top of my list.

  
  Really? I personally don't want Harbaugh for two reason........he's not a proven commodity and I don't like the way he conducts himself. I thought the whole going for two crap, even if it was against hated USC, was bush league. Reminded me of Jimmy "pig face satan" Johnson.
  
  If ND can't land Meyer or Stoops then they should pursue Brian Kelly, atl east he's proven that he can win where ever he's coached.
• killer_ewok

  

  rock_knutne wrote:

  killer_ewok wrote:Harbaugh is at the top of my list.

  
  Really? I personally don't want Harbaugh for two reason........he's not a proven commodity and I don't like the way he conducts himself. I thought the whole going for two crap, even if it was against hated USC, was bush league. Reminded me of Jimmy "pig face satan" Johnson.
  
  If ND can't land Meyer or Stoops then they should pursue Brian Kelly, atl east he's proven that he can win where ever he's coached.

  You don't like the way that Harbaugh conducts himself but you want Meyer or Stoops???? Meyer has been involved in some bush league stuff too. Running up the score and calling timeouts in lopsided games to rub it in. Stoops has been known to run it up in the past too.
  
  Kelly has been lights out at Cincy and even though he turned things around at Central Michigan.....he went 4-7 and 6-5 in his first two years there. Stanford was bottom of the barrel when Harbaugh arrived and he went 4-8 and 5-7 in his first two years there and now has them at 7-3 and ranked in his 3rd year (Brian Kelly went 9-4 in his 3rd and final year at Central Michigan). Harbaugh also coached San Diego to 7-4, 11-1 and 11-1 in his 3 years there prior to his departure for Palo Alto.
  
  To put things in perspective.....Stanford had won 16 games total in the 5 years before Harbaugh took over. So far in Harbaugh's three seasons there (season 3 obviously hasn't been completed yet), Stanford has won 16 games and is ranked for the first time since 2001.
• rock_knutne

  killer_ewok wrote:

  rock_knutne wrote:

  killer_ewok wrote:Harbaugh is at the top of my list.

  
  Really? I personally don't want Harbaugh for two reason........he's not a proven commodity and I don't like the way he conducts himself. I thought the whole going for two crap, even if it was against hated USC, was bush league. Reminded me of Jimmy "pig face satan" Johnson.
  
  If ND can't land Meyer or Stoops then they should pursue Brian Kelly, atl east he's proven that he can win where ever he's coached.

  You don't like the way that Harbaugh conducts himself but you want Meyer or Stoops???? Meyer has been involved in some bush league stuff too. Running up the score and calling timeouts in lopsided games to rub it in. Stoops has been known to run it up in the past too.
  
  Kelly has been lights out at Cincy and even though he turned things around at Central Michigan.....he went 4-7 and 6-5 in his first two years there. Stanford was bottom of the barrel when Harbaugh arrived and he went 4-8 and 5-7 in his first two years there and now has them at 7-3 and ranked in his 3rd year (Brian Kelly went 9-4 in his 3rd and final year at Central Michigan). Harbaugh also coached San Diego to 7-4, 11-1 and 11-1 in his 3 years there prior to his departure for Palo Alto.
  
  To put things in perspective.....Stanford had won 16 games total in the 5 years before Harbaugh took over. So far in Harbaugh's three seasons there (season 3 obviously hasn't been completed yet), Stanford has won 16 games and is ranked for the first time since 2001.

  
  I just don't think Harbaugh is the right guy for the job, too many questions IMO. BTW, thos incidents involving Meyer were against Georgia and he was provoked, I don't have a problem with that, it kind of reminds of when Lou was at ND, he didn't take any shit. I don't know of any incidents involving Stoops. Also, I think Kelly is much more polished than Harbaugh and runs a better system.
  
  The one thing I do know, who ever ND goes after had better be 100% tried, tested and successful at the collegiate level.
• killer_ewok

  

  You don't know of any incidents involving Stoops??? How about going back and looking at some results from previous seasons. Dropping 77 points on a helpless A&M team a few years back. But you don't like that Harbaugh went for 2 against USC? Just seems strange. Meyer? Well, not just the timeouts vs. Georgia but the late and unnecessary field goal vs. Miami(FL) last year in a 23-3 game with 25 seconds left. The "sorta" suspension of Brandon Spikes for eye-gouging a couple weeks ago. Suspending him for a half???? C'mon! The ONLY reason Spikes ended up being suspended for the entire game was because of the backlash from the media and the public. That "about face" didn't fool anybody.