Will TCU and BSU lose already?

• OldDanTucker

  sportchampps wrote: "Its a no win situation for the bigger schools to play them. You win and oh well its just BSU, you lose and its "well they did lose to boise early in the year" "
  
  You cant fault them for that though and they did beat Oregon

  I know im just saying thats why they have a hard time finding quality opponets.
• Red_Skin_Pride

  

  Mooney44Cards wrote: "TCU would finish in the Top 3 in the Big12 this year"
  
  Gimme some of what you're smokin.
  
  You failed to see my point, can they compete with any team on any given day? Sure. But week in and week out they can't keep up that intensity, and THATS what makes all their whining ridiculous. College football has always been about playing at the highest level from week 1 thru the bowl game. Not beating crap competition AND 1 good team and then getting to compete for a title. Not the way it works.

  
  TCU is ahead 38-14 right now. Assuming they'll hold on to win, they'll have wins over two top 20 teams, a win over Clemson with a player in Spiller who many think should be in the top 5 of Heisman talk ON THE ROAD, and an absolute killing of Virginia, again, on the road. The last time I counted, that's 4 games not 1. If they're a team from such a "crappy" conference, they shouldn't be able to compete with the likes of those "big" schools, especially at their place, right?
  
  Look buddy, they're not just winning, they're straight up smoking people. Their last 5 games (including tonight against Utah):
  
  44-6
  38-7
  41-0
  55-12
  38-14 right now. It's HALFTIME and will probably be worse.
  
  Do you honestly think they wouldn't be able to play with teams in the ACC, Big10, BigEast, or Big12? The only team in ANY of those conferences I could see being a clear favorite is Texas. Cincy, Ohio State, and Oregon would all be great matchups, but what YOU are failing to understand is that TCU is not like playing a MAC team. They HAVE defense, and it's GOOD. And it's athletic. They can stop the run, and they have the athletes to contain the pass. They can play with anybody in the country, week in and week out. Is it like that every year? Probably not. Is it like that THIS year, and have then been consistent from week 1 until right now? Yes. You can't discount a team just because they don't have the "big" name. You have to start somewhere. Your logic is that we should discount their whole season because YOU THINK that they couldn't play week to week in a BCS conference. Well guess what? They could this year, and they would beat the vast majority of teams in those conferences. You can't say "what if" when you rank teams; it's based off of what they've done so far. And right now, with the way the've beat down two top 20 team, plus their road games vs BCS conference opponents, they have a great resume. Plus, they're going to have a chance at another key win on national TV in the Mt. West championship game. In my mind, with the way they're blowing people out, and they finish at 13-0, if the teams in front of them stumble, they will and SHOULD be in the NC game. I'd love to see them play an SEC team too. Texas has the best offense of the 3 teams ranked above them. If they play Alabama or Florida, they match up extemely well. If you think they'll be scared, I'd think again. Their coach will have them ready. It wouldn't suprise me at all that if they would make it to the NC game, they would win it.
  
  I'm sure you were saying the same thing about Utah last year, and we saw what they did to almighty Alabama.
• bo shemmy3337

  Mooney44Cards wrote: Yeah, my team would be good too if I only had to get my team up for 1-2 games a season. The OSU's, Floridas, Alabamas, Notre Dames of the world have to be at the top of their game every week or they may lose (see OSU vs. Purdue). Meanwhile we're supposed to applaud the non-BCS schools for winning bowl games vs BCS schools cuz they coasted through their regular season without breaking a sweat and therefore rolled into January healthy as a horse.
  
  And no, Boise State didn't beat Oklahoma this year, and it wouldn't really be saying much if they did. Oklahoma is wayyyyy down this year.

  
  
  Are you crazy? normally I would agree with you but Boise has played a good enough schedule and has proved them self's in the past year or so. Who has OSU played? Sure you got USC PSU and Iowa but PSU tuned out to be a joke and Iowa is also not that good. USC also lost to a team Boise beat. The argument of they play no one does make sense but this year they played one or 2 solid teams and to be honest I feel the same way for anyone in the big ten or big east. How about Texas? They beat a Oklahoma team who is not that good this year and same goes for Texas tech. Until we get a playoff or teams go out and play each other, we will not be able to see who is the best 2 teams in the country.
  
  Almost every team only plays 1 or 2 tough teams a year. That's how it is in this crappy BCS.
• bo shemmy3337

  ccrunner609 wrote: After watching USC this season.....if you think the BCS has it all together as the best way to rank teams your a fool.

  
  I agree. the BCS is a joke and it needs fixed. If this was the NFL than the Giants would not have won the Superbowl because they would not be there. What a joke this is. If you loose a game or 2 you might as well quit and not worry about getting better IMO.
• Red_Skin_Pride

  

  bo shemmy3337 wrote:

  ccrunner609 wrote: After watching USC this season.....if you think the BCS has it all together as the best way to rank teams your a fool.

  
  I agree. the BCS is a joke and it needs fixed. If this was the NFL than the Giants would not have won the Superbowl because they would not be there. What a joke this is. If you loose a game or 2 you might as well quit and not worry about getting better IMO.

  I agree too. Your Giants example is spot on. I would also throw in there, since we're talking about mid-majors, you might as well plan on going undefeated, or it's not even worth playing your season, because if you go 11-1 or 12-1, you're not getting shit. How much pressure do you think that is? At least schools from bigger conference CAN lose a game or two and make a BCS game. You lose, you're done if you're a mid-major.
• enigmaax

  red skin pride - I know we have gone back and forth about these mid-majors all season, but I will say that I am almost sold on TCU.
  
  I've never thought that either TCU or Boise State couldn't win a game against any of the top three this year, I just didn't think they necessarily deserved the shot given the level of competition. You know how I feel about the one game wonders.
  
  But I agree with you on TCU's resume being a little something different. There are a lot of "it" factors that you pretty well outlined with this team. I really do *think* they could be competing this season with Texas for a Big XII title. Maybe they would've lost to someone else playing that type of schedule, but I really think it would have been a upset for them to lose (I don't get that same sense watching Boise State).
  
  I think they've established themselves as well nationally for this season as they're going to. If they continue to pound Utah the rest of the night, I don't think people are going to hesitate to give them their due. They still need Texas to lose to have a shot at the title game, but for the first time, I wouldn't be surprised if they got an NC bid over a one loss big six team.
  
  One thing, there is no MWC title game. They only have eight teams.
• Red_Skin_Pride

  

  Yep^ you're right. Sorry about that they did away with it awhile ago. Still, 12-0 is impressive, especially if they finish out the season beating their last 2 opponents by 38 ppg.
• enigmaax

  bo shemmy3337 wrote: Are you crazy? normally I would agree with you but Boise has played a good enough schedule and has proved them self's in the past year or so.

  See, I don't think Boise State has played anything remotely resembling a "good enough" schedule. Oregon is a great win. That is it. They beat UC Davis. Their second biggest win is going to be against who? Nevada, who got drilled 35-0 by Notre Dame?
  
  How did they prove themselves in the past year or so? The only thing that counts is this season. But even if you want to use their history, then you have to include the fact that they are 5/6-17 against big six competition. You can't just pick and choose a couple good wins.
• eersandbeers

  OldDanTucker wrote: They haven't played anyone, when your toughest game so far in the season was against 7-3 wvu and you are ranked lower then a team that has the same record as you and plays in the mwc then I would call that a weak schedule and evidently a few other "experts" do to.

  
  Well it was a #25 7-2 WVU team. They also played USF who was ranked. They are also going to play Pitt and Illinois. They have a chance to play 3-4 ranked teams so I'm saying that is a pretty good schedule.
  
  I'm relying on the SOS charts. Those so called "experts" are relying on their opinions which are heavily skewed against the Big East.
• jordo212000

  

  Some of you have already touched on this.
  
  Boise's conference is overall, very weak. It is what it is. That said, Boise tries to play a tough schedule, but in the end they can't get anybody to play them. There was a yahoo article out last week talking about how they couldn't find anybody to play in one of their open dates next year. They've offered home and home, and then after no love, even offered to play just 1 game AWAY. and nobody would take them up because there is a good chance they'd lose.
  
  Boise probably needs to bail on the WAC, its a bad conference. If they could get Fresno to go with them and then BYU, Utah, and TCU. They would have a solid conference.
  
  TCU on the other hand, is the real deal. I'm tired of people questioning them. At this point in the season it is clear they can play with anybody.
• jordo212000

  

  Oh and I hate to admit it, but the Big 10 is bad. Those who are trying to defend it, stop. Take the glasses off and look around
• Mooney44Cards

  

  Red_Skin_Pride wrote:
  TCU is ahead 38-14 right now. Assuming they'll hold on to win, they'll have wins over two top 20 teams, a win over Clemson with a player in Spiller who many think should be in the top 5 of Heisman talk ON THE ROAD, and an absolute killing of Virginia, again, on the road. The last time I counted, that's 4 games not 1. If they're a team from such a "crappy" conference, they shouldn't be able to compete with the likes of those "big" schools, especially at their place, right?
  
  Look buddy, they're not just winning, they're straight up smoking people. Their last 5 games (including tonight against Utah):
  
  44-6
  38-7
  41-0
  55-12
  38-14 right now. It's HALFTIME and will probably be worse.
  
  Do you honestly think they wouldn't be able to play with teams in the ACC, Big10, BigEast, or Big12? The only team in ANY of those conferences I could see being a clear favorite is Texas. Cincy, Ohio State, and Oregon would all be great matchups, but what YOU are failing to understand is that TCU is not like playing a MAC team. They HAVE defense, and it's GOOD. And it's athletic. They can stop the run, and they have the athletes to contain the pass. They can play with anybody in the country, week in and week out. Is it like that every year? Probably not. Is it like that THIS year, and have then been consistent from week 1 until right now? Yes. You can't discount a team just because they don't have the "big" name. You have to start somewhere. Your logic is that we should discount their whole season because YOU THINK that they couldn't play week to week in a BCS conference. Well guess what? They could this year, and they would beat the vast majority of teams in those conferences. You can't say "what if" when you rank teams; it's based off of what they've done so far. And right now, with the way the've beat down two top 20 team, plus their road games vs BCS conference opponents, they have a great resume. Plus, they're going to have a chance at another key win on national TV in the Mt. West championship game. In my mind, with the way they're blowing people out, and they finish at 13-0, if the teams in front of them stumble, they will and SHOULD be in the NC game. I'd love to see them play an SEC team too. Texas has the best offense of the 3 teams ranked above them. If they play Alabama or Florida, they match up extemely well. If you think they'll be scared, I'd think again. Their coach will have them ready. It wouldn't suprise me at all that if they would make it to the NC game, they would win it.
  
  I'm sure you were saying the same thing about Utah last year, and we saw what they did to almighty Alabama.

  I stopped taking you seriously when you just cited Virginia as a big win for TCU. VIRGINIA! Virginia lost to DUKE not to mention WILLIAM AND MARY.
  
  So again, gimme some of what you're smokin.
• Footwedge

  From what I've seen.
  
  TCU>>>than Cincy or Ohio State.
• Crimson_Streak

  TCU is definitely the real deal. they would give florida and texas a heck of a game
• Red_Skin_Pride

  

  Mooney44Cards wrote:

  Red_Skin_Pride wrote:
  TCU is ahead 38-14 right now. Assuming they'll hold on to win, they'll have wins over two top 20 teams, a win over Clemson with a player in Spiller who many think should be in the top 5 of Heisman talk ON THE ROAD, and an absolute killing of Virginia, again, on the road. The last time I counted, that's 4 games not 1. If they're a team from such a "crappy" conference, they shouldn't be able to compete with the likes of those "big" schools, especially at their place, right?
  
  Look buddy, they're not just winning, they're straight up smoking people. Their last 5 games (including tonight against Utah):
  
  44-6
  38-7
  41-0
  55-12
  38-14 right now. It's HALFTIME and will probably be worse.
  
  Do you honestly think they wouldn't be able to play with teams in the ACC, Big10, BigEast, or Big12? The only team in ANY of those conferences I could see being a clear favorite is Texas. Cincy, Ohio State, and Oregon would all be great matchups, but what YOU are failing to understand is that TCU is not like playing a MAC team. They HAVE defense, and it's GOOD. And it's athletic. They can stop the run, and they have the athletes to contain the pass. They can play with anybody in the country, week in and week out. Is it like that every year? Probably not. Is it like that THIS year, and have then been consistent from week 1 until right now? Yes. You can't discount a team just because they don't have the "big" name. You have to start somewhere. Your logic is that we should discount their whole season because YOU THINK that they couldn't play week to week in a BCS conference. Well guess what? They could this year, and they would beat the vast majority of teams in those conferences. You can't say "what if" when you rank teams; it's based off of what they've done so far. And right now, with the way the've beat down two top 20 team, plus their road games vs BCS conference opponents, they have a great resume. Plus, they're going to have a chance at another key win on national TV in the Mt. West championship game. In my mind, with the way they're blowing people out, and they finish at 13-0, if the teams in front of them stumble, they will and SHOULD be in the NC game. I'd love to see them play an SEC team too. Texas has the best offense of the 3 teams ranked above them. If they play Alabama or Florida, they match up extemely well. If you think they'll be scared, I'd think again. Their coach will have them ready. It wouldn't suprise me at all that if they would make it to the NC game, they would win it.
  
  I'm sure you were saying the same thing about Utah last year, and we saw what they did to almighty Alabama.

  I stopped taking you seriously when you just cited Virginia as a big win for TCU. VIRGINIA! Virginia lost to DUKE not to mention WILLIAM AND MARY.
  
  So again, gimme some of what you're smokin.

  HAHA oh the irony!! You're saying how crappy TCU and their conference is, and you're turning around and proving how terrible the ACC is this year, one of very conferences you're defending!!! LOL, if that isn't a 18-wheeler full of irony, i don't know what is. I'm sure you think that Georgia Tech deserves their BCS bid then, seeing as how they play these powerhouses of Duke, Virginia, NC State...lol Georgia Tech has two, TWO good wins, and both were at home! Virginia Tech and Clemson. A very average Miami team smoked them by 16 points. But that's ok, because they play in a "BCS conference".
  
  All I'm saying is this genius: TCU has played in 4 games where the talent was pretty evenly matched, and they were not the favorite; i.e. it could have gone either way. And they won all 4. 3 of those games were on the road. They are UNDEFEATED. If they are so bad, and don't deserve to be where they are, then WHY CANT ANYBODY BEAT THEM??????? You're ACC champion, played Jacksonville State (D.1AA), Vanderbilt and Mississippi State (both perennial bottom feeders of the SEC) OOC. The only good game they play OOC is Georgia, and they're not very good this year. Meanwhile, instead of playing bottom feeders of other conferences of EQUAL SIZE (i.e. BCS conference vs. BCS conference) TCU went out and scheduled 2 teams that are usually in the middle to upper echelon of their conference, which is a "BIGGER" conference (i.e. Non-BCS conference vs. BCS conference). They could have taken the easy road like Boise State did, and scheduled 1 good team, but they didn't. They scheduled 2, and beat both of them.
  
  My comment about Virginia was not so much there as a "look how good this win was" it was in response to your comment that TCU "only has to get up for one or two games a year, whereas BCS teams have to play hard every week". Do you really think that football is that different between BCS and Non-BCS schools??? It's still football. If you don't show up, you're going to get beat. I will guarantee you that every team in the Mt. West is giving TCU their very best shot, because they want to be the team that spoils their chance at the BCS and a possible NC game.
  
  So let me get this straight...by your logic, TCU wouldn't have to "get up" for games at Virginia or Clemson, but a team like Georgia Tech DOES have to "get up" for those games because they play in the same conference as Virginia and Clemson? Did you graduate in '44, is that what the 44 in your name means? Because your perception of college football is severly skewed. I'd put money on you being senile.
  
  You have two choices: You can either admit that TCU has to play at an intensity level just like everyone else for each game of the season, thus making them a legit contender, or you can stick to your original argument, and look like a jackass, since you just admitted that teams like Virginia and Duke are no good, and thus the good teams in their conference don't have to "get up" to play them either. Either way your argument is screwed. But thanks for playing, and backing yourself into a corner all on your own. You did my job for me.
  
  Pwnd.