Over/Under: How many Pac-10 teams will make the NCAA tournament?

• gorocks99

  

  The over/under is 1.5.
  
  I say under.
• Azubuike24

  

  The conference tournament winner only. Nobody else will have the resume or the win/loss record. Everyone will end the year with 12+ losses and only ineligible USC has the OOC resume to get a bid.
  
  Rather easy to take the under on this one.
• gorocks99

  

  Yeah ... agreed. It's just amazing that a "big six" conference is only gonna send one to the dance. What a awful awful year for the Pac-10.
• Azubuike24

  

  Great year for the Mountain West, Missouri Valley, Conference USA, Atlantic 10 and Colonial to take advantage of those 3 or 4 extra bids.
  
  We may even see the ACC get 9 bids...which wouldn't thrill me, but it's very possible.
• CinciX12

  

  Can USC participate in the conference tournament?
• Laley23

  

  CinciX12 wrote: Can USC participate in the conference tournament?

  Yes, and if they win I think it will go to either the runner-up or the regular season winner. Each conference does it different.
  
  As to the topic, I REALLY hope the mid-majors are "rewarded" for the Pac-10 being down rather than the BCS guys get extra bids. I love the first weekend when I get to see the smaller schools play.
• Azubuike24

  

  USC isn't playing in the conference tournament. They are re-aligning it so that the 8/9 game is played on Wednesday and then it will proceed Thursday-Saturday with 8 teams. It used to be 7/10 and 8/9 on Wednesday, but the 7th place finisher will automatically go to the quarterfinals this year.
  
  If USC was playing and ended up winning it, the NCAA would only have to select them. Since their post-season ban is self-imposed, they would then choose to take the bid or sit out. The NCAA Tournament wouldn't take the runner-up or regular season champion if they weren't deserving of at-large bid status.
  
  I kind of hoped this would occur and make it a special scenario where no Pac-10 teams get in. But alas, one will.
• CinciX12

  

  The Atlantic 10 will greatly benefit from a 1 bid Pac 10, thats for sure.
  
  Is that a decision on USC part as well to not do the conference tournament, in case they win it?
• Laley23

  

  Azubuike24 wrote: USC isn't playing in the conference tournament. They are re-aligning it so that the 8/9 game is played on Wednesday and then it will proceed Thursday-Saturday with 8 teams. It used to be 7/10 and 8/9 on Wednesday, but the 7th place finisher will automatically go to the quarterfinals this year.
  
  If USC was playing and ended up winning it, the NCAA would only have to select them. Since their post-season ban is self-imposed, they would then choose to take the bid or sit out. The NCAA Tournament wouldn't take the runner-up or regular season champion if they weren't deserving of at-large bid status.
  
  I kind of hoped this would occur and make it a special scenario where no Pac-10 teams get in. But alas, one will.

  I see, so I guess my scenario is only when the NCAA has banned teams??
  
  Although, I could have sworn when Indiana self banned itself and played in the tourney that is they had won it was going to go to the runner-up....
  
  Either way, Pac-10 is god awful.
• Emmett Brown

  

  I am so happy watching this conference struggle like this. Its just amazing how bad they are. The SEC was bad last year but the manged to sneak in two at large bids (mississippi st won the conference tourney).
• Cleveland Buck

  

  They will get 2 bids, the regular season champ and the tournament champ. They don't deserve 2 bids, but I think they will get them.
• ZombieKiller

  only 1 team will make it. They will be no higher than 7th seed.
• Gypsy Rose Lee

  under.
• CardsFlyinHigh

  Over the past few years the committee has shown a bias against Mid-Majors. It might not be right, but I defintely think theyd take a second place Pac-10 team over a third place MVC team
• Azubuike24

  

  I don't think they will because looking forward, which Pac 10 team, regardless of the tournament winner, will have a resume?
  
  Lets break this down:
  
  We can say that right now, 4 teams have a chance at an at-large bid if they don't win the tournament. Washington, Arizona State, California and Washington State. Normally, double-digit losses is a decent indicator of being a bubble team, and nobody in the conference has less than 5 (Wazzou and Arizona St have 5, Cal and U-Dub 6).
  
  As of now, Cal's RPI is 24, but nobody else is in the top 50.
  
  Out of conference, Cal has a very good win over Murray State (one of the top 3-5 mid-majors in CBB). Arizona State has a nice win over San Diego State and Washington has one over Texas A&M, but both of those are bubble teams at best. Washington State has the worst OOC resume of the 4, and to be considered for an at-large bid, they would likely have to win the regular season crown and win 12+ games in the league.
  
  Looking forward, through 6 games for everyone, nobody has more than 4 wins and nobody has less than 2 losses...and homecourt advantage has been very big. With a true round-robin schedule, this tells me that unless someone gets hot, nobody will do better than 11-7 or 12-6. If this does occur, and I think the chances are likely that it does (possibly an even slimmer margin than that), only 1 team gets a bid.
  
  Regular season winners or 2nd place finishers might sound good, but NOT if that team has no quality OOC wins and is sitting there with 10, 11, 12 or more losses.
  
  We also don't have a precedent, because as most have said, no BCS league has ever approached being THIS BAD.
• CardsFlyinHigh

  Oh im not saying a second team should be selected, i'm just saying that I have a hard time trusting the committee to do the right thing and pick a third MVC team over a second pac-10 team.
  
  I dont know who makes up committee and where they come from. There might even be a new group this year, not sure on that. But im sure theres more influence from the Pac-10 and other major conferences, and i realy dont think they would allow the MVC, WCC, Atlantic 10, Colonial etc.. to have multiple bids and one of the "major" conferences only having one bid.
• Azubuike24

  

  Washington State loses #6 today at UCLA. Another BAD loss.
• CinciX12

  

  CardsFlyinHigh wrote: Over the past few years the committee has shown a bias against Mid-Majors. It might not be right, but I defintely think theyd take a second place Pac-10 team over a third place MVC team

  Part of me still thinks thats the right thing to do though (with maybe the exception of this year).
  
  There is a reason that conferences like the MVC have their reputations, same with the Atlantic 10. 2 or 3 teams being good makes it difficult to get respect.
• Azubuike24

  

  I think the difference this year is nobody in the conference has any business being an at-large team. For instance, the SEC was bad last year, but Tennessee and LSU were going to get NCAA bids regardless of whether they won the conference tournament.
  
  The Pac-10 has too many teams who will literally hurt the resumes of everyone else. I mean with the large sample size we have thus far on all of the Pac-10 teams, who is going to run the table, or even win 80% of their remaining games? Nobody...IMO. Nobody has even a remote chance to win 2/3 of them.
• CinciX12

  

  Azubuike24 wrote: I think the difference this year is nobody in the conference has any business being an at-large team. For instance, the SEC was bad last year, but Tennessee and LSU were going to get NCAA bids regardless of whether they won the conference tournament.
  
  The Pac-10 has too many teams who will literally hurt the resumes of everyone else. I mean with the large sample size we have thus far on all of the Pac-10 teams, who is going to run the table, or even win 80% of their remaining games? Nobody...IMO. Nobody has even a remote chance to win 2/3 of them.

  But where do we draw the line? Because if the Big East beats up on one another from the 3 spot on down all we hear is about how deep the conference is.
• Azubuike24

  

  Conference wins and conference strength only matters when you have something OOC to brag about. Whether you are in the Big East or Pac-10, you can go barely .500 in either league but those tiebreakers will come in when you have an OOC resume to look on. That's basically what the bubble has become. Teams at .500 or slightly better in power conferences and then how strong you are OOC. The better the conference, the more weight you are able to put on conference wins.
  
  That's why I say this year is unprecedented, because not only is the Pac-10 not going to have teams who can pad their records in-conference, they have nobody who has done anything outside of it.
  
  Funny you mention the Big East though. They might be a super-conference with 16 teams (half of whom focus mainly on basketball), but look at this list of combined OOC wins from their teams who are right now, .500 or worse in Big East play:
  
  Texas
  Iona
  William & Mary
  Western Kentucky
  Radford
  Temple
  Georgia
  Cornell
  Xavier
  Michigan
  Vermont
  Northeastern
  Virginia
  Northern Iowa
  
  Those are all wins by the bottom half of the Big East, 9 teams to be exact. Right now in the entire Pac-10, their entire conference combined doesn't have a resume with OOC wins half as impressive as that. Very telling IMO.
• CardsFlyinHigh

  Lets just move Gonzaga and St. Marys into the Pac 10 and all the problems are solved
• Azubuike24

  

  Haha...Arizona State loses at HOME to Arizona by 19.
  
  Washington loses to USC by 26!
  
  Seriously, this league is amazing.
• CinciX12

  

  Words can't really describe how pathetic that lose to Arizona is for Arizona state.
  
  Also, I found this little clip during the game of Kevin Parrom. Does everyone remember him hitting his coach and all that when he was still in high school? This kind of makes me think that was the rule rather than the exception. This play is flat out BS on his part.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaAUit6HOu8&feature=player_embedded
  
  The title of the video though kinda makes me laugh though haha.
• Azubuike24

  

  As soon as Cal appears to be pulling away from the pack, they lose to Arizona. Truly amazing.