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Evan Turner vs. Jimmy Jackson

  • Tiger2003
    Prescott wrote: I will say that Evan Turner is a better college player than Michael Redd. Turner rebounds better and passes the ball better. Neither player is/was a great perimeter shooter in college, but Turner is a better finisher because he has more athleticism. Turner is projected to be a lottery pick, while Redd was the 43rd overall pick.That should tell you something.
    That doesn't mean shit....BJ Mullens was a first round draft pick and if you know about Ohio State basketball I would have taken Ken Johnson over Mullens and he was a late 2nd round draft pick....You can't go off where guys are drafted, on who was a better college players.
  • Prescott
    That doesn't mean shit....BJ Mullens was a first round draft pick and if you know about Ohio State basketball I would have taken Ken Johnson over Mullens.
    If you knew anything about the NBA you wouldn't make such a ridiculous comparison.Turner will be drafted high because he has proven himself over 3 years and he has proven himself to have skills that the NBA covets.

    Redd was drafted 43rd because his game was not fully developed and ,obviously, the NBA people had questions about the skill set he showed in college.To his credit he worked hard on his game after being drafted and became one of the better second round picks of all time.

    As for Mullins, the jury is still is out on him. He is young with ATHLETIC skills that he was born with.He is tall. long, and he can run the floor. These are things that can't be taught or developed. He was drafted based on potential. Time will tell if that potential is realized.

    Ken Johnson was a nice college player, but if you would have drafted him in the first round you would have been wasting money because he was always going to be available in the 2nd round.
  • mallymal614
    Here is Jimmy doing work in college.

  • FatHobbit
    Prescott wrote: I will say that Evan Turner is a better college player than Michael Redd. Turner rebounds better and passes the ball better. Neither player is/was a great perimeter shooter in college, but Turner is a better finisher because he has more athleticism. Turner is projected to be a lottery pick, while Redd was the 43rd overall pick.That should tell you something.
    Here you are using NBA draft selection as justification that Turner is better than Redd in College.
    Prescott wrote:
    That doesn't mean shit....BJ Mullens was a first round draft pick and if you know about Ohio State basketball I would have taken Ken Johnson over Mullens.
    If you knew anything about the NBA you wouldn't make such a ridiculous comparison.
    But here you say it's ridiculous to compare college players based on where they were selected in the NBA draft.

    I think that was Tiger's point.
  • Prescott
    But here you say it's ridiculous to compare college players based on where they were selected in the NBA draft
    .

    He was comparing Mullins to Johnson.

    The NBA drafts upperclassmen based on what they've seen over 3 or 4 years. Their ceiling is usually easier to see.Turner, Redd, and Johnson fall into this category.

    The NBA drafts underclassmen early based primarily on potential.Their ceiling is more difficult to see.Mullins falls into this category.Therefore, comparing Johnson to Mullins isn't a valid comparison.
  • FatHobbit
    Prescott wrote:
    But here you say it's ridiculous to compare college players based on where they were selected in the NBA draft
    .

    He was comparing Mullins to Johnson.

    The NBA drafts upperclassmen based on what they've seen over 3 or 4 years. Their ceiling is usually easier to see.Turner, Redd, and Johnson fall into this category.

    The NBA drafts underclassmen early based primarily on potential.Their ceiling is more difficult to see.Mullins falls into this category.Therefore, comparing Johnson to Mullins isn't a valid comparison.
    That makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
  • queencitybuckeye
    Add basketball to a long list of things that Ricordorki doesn't understand.
  • mallymal614
    queencitybuckeye wrote: Add basketball to a long list of things that Ricordorki doesn't understand.
    Especially since he is from Chicago. He wasn't even here when Jimmy was playing, so how would he know?
  • karen lotz
    mallymal614 wrote:
    queencitybuckeye wrote: Add basketball to a long list of things that Ricordorki doesn't understand.
    Especially since he is from Chicago. He wasn't even here when Jimmy was playing, so how would he know?
    You do realize other parts of the world besides columbus watch sports, right? It highly likely that he did watch JJ play in college. If he was in Chicago at the time and covering sports, its a safe assumption that OSU was one of the regions top teams during JJ's time in columbus.
  • mallymal614
    Good point. I never thought of that.
  • karen lotz
    lol
  • Ironman92
    Ken JOhnson over Mullens.....I guess we'll see down the road how smart that statement is.



    Redd struggled without the great PG Scoonie....but he has had a stellar NBA career....maybe better than JJ's. (I haven't looked at the numbers though)
  • reclegend22
    Jimmy had one season in the mid-'90s (his second in the NBA, I believe) where he averaged over 25 a game, and a few others where he hit 130+ threes. He played a long and relatively successful career, albeit as a journeyman who had about a 100 different basketball cards, but never really found that type of success again. A lot of pretty good but not great years after that. Michael's consistency over the last six, seven years already places him above Jimmy in the NBA. Redd put up over 20 a game for six straight seasons up until this season when he was injured, including averaging 25 and 26 per game during the 2006 and 2007 seasons.

    Sadly, however, it looks as if Michael's recent injury struggles are putting an end to his career.
  • Turf Warden
    Reality and common sense seem to be taking over here. Evan Turner is a very good player...But he is in no way, shape or form, comparable to JJ at the college level! None!

    (And FWIW, I also remember that statement by Coach Knight)
  • lhs2ndbase
    Ironman92 wrote: Ken JOhnson over Mullens.....I guess we'll see down the road how smart that statement is.



    Redd struggled without the great PG Scoonie....but he has had a stellar NBA career....maybe better than JJ's. (I haven't looked at the numbers though)

    As a frosh w/o Scoonie, Redd averaged his college career high with 22 a game. The following two seasons he averaged 19.5 and 17.5 with Penn as his point man.
  • From the Hills
    JJ without question, was a clutch college player. One thing though, would have liked to seen him play with Matta as his coach, I was never a big Randy Ayers fan.

    As great as JJ was the one game I remember from his college days is the loss to the cheaters from up North during the tournament.
  • HeathAlum21
    One of the biggest mistakes that people make is looking at a career as a whole. JJ was a GREAT college basketball player. It doesn't matter where he was drafted or how his NBA career panned out. A player can be an awesome college player and never play a game in the NBA, and they can still be one of the best of all time. The NBA career should never tarnish a player's reputation as a college basketball player, but I think sometimes as fans we forget to make the distinction. One of my favorite players to watch in college, although I hate Duke, was JJ Redick. He was a player. The fact that he is mediocre to below average in the NBA does absoultely nothing to tarnish what a great player he was in college and how dominant he was.
  • Hesston
    I'd take em both, different era two studs
  • centralbucksfan
    HeathAlum21 wrote: One of the biggest mistakes that people make is looking at a career as a whole. JJ was a GREAT college basketball player. It doesn't matter where he was drafted or how his NBA career panned out. A player can be an awesome college player and never play a game in the NBA, and they can still be one of the best of all time. The NBA career should never tarnish a player's reputation as a college basketball player, but I think sometimes as fans we forget to make the distinction. One of my favorite players to watch in college, although I hate Duke, was JJ Redick. He was a player. The fact that he is mediocre to below average in the NBA does absoultely nothing to tarnish what a great player he was in college and how dominant he was.
    Very good point. Although, when you play 10+years in the league, and do as well as Jackson did over that time span...I think your a little better then "mediocre to below average". Jackson had a SOLID NBA career. You don't last that long in the league without being good.
    V
  • mallymal614
    I agree with CentralsBucksFan. Jimmy Jackson had a much better NBA career than people think.
    With the Mavericks, Jackson played sparingly in his rookie season (largely due to a contract dispute with the team - Jackson initially refused to play for the lowly Mavericks), and appeared in only 28 games. He started in all 82 games the following season, averaging 19.2 points, 4.8 rebounds, and 4.6 assists in 37.4 minutes per game. With the drafting of Jamal Mashburn and Jason Kidd in the following two seasons, Mavericks fans affectionately referred to the trio as the "Three J's". Jackson appeared to be on his way to NBA stardom in 1994-95 when an ankle injury short-circuited his third professional season after 51 games. He was averaging 25.7 points, the fifth-best mark in the league, and 5.1 rebounds when he went down. Jackson came back to average 19.6 points in 1995-96.

    Jackson played and started in only 31 games with the Nets to finish the 1996-1997 season averaging 16.5 points and 5.9 rebounds per game with them.

    Although Jackson saw an increased role as the Warriors’ starting shooting guard, averaging 18.9 points, 5.6 rebounds, and 40.6 minutes per game for the remainder of the 97-98, he disliked playing for a losing franchise. In the offseason, Jackson signed with the Portland Trail Blazers.

    For the 1999-2000 season, Jackson played in 79 games for the Hawks averaging 16.7 points and 5 rebounds per 35 minutes. Jackson suited up for only 17 games for the Hawks in the 2000-2001 season.
  • RiverRat13
    JJ never really fully recovered from that ankle injury. It robbed him of his explosiveness and he started to morph into a jump shooter.

    Did JJ have more talent around him? Sure. But Turner has never come close to accomplishing what Jackson accomplished, so I'm not sure how the "less talent around him" argument comes into play.
  • mallymal614
    Evan's game reminds me a lot of Tracy McGrady. About the same height, both can handle the ball, slash to the hoop, and make plays. I think people will hear that comparison a lot once Evan enters the draft (Hopefully in 2011 :) ).
  • I drain 3's
    In NBAdraft.net's mock draft, Turner is 3rd overall in next year's draft. They compare him to Marques Daniels/Brandon Roy.

    http://www.nbadraft.net/2010mock_draft
  • HeathAlum21
    centralbucksfan wrote:
    HeathAlum21 wrote: One of the biggest mistakes that people make is looking at a career as a whole. JJ was a GREAT college basketball player. It doesn't matter where he was drafted or how his NBA career panned out. A player can be an awesome college player and never play a game in the NBA, and they can still be one of the best of all time. The NBA career should never tarnish a player's reputation as a college basketball player, but I think sometimes as fans we forget to make the distinction. One of my favorite players to watch in college, although I hate Duke, was JJ Redick. He was a player. The fact that he is mediocre to below average in the NBA does absoultely nothing to tarnish what a great player he was in college and how dominant he was.
    Very good point. Although, when you play 10+years in the league, and do as well as Jackson did over that time span...I think your a little better then "mediocre to below average". Jackson had a SOLID NBA career. You don't last that long in the league without being good.
    V
    I wasn't referring specifically to JJ, just players in general. I reread my post and it does look like I pointing the finger at JJ, but this was not meant to be the case. Regardless, it still works to my point. Even if JJ had a solid pro career, he had a fantastic college career, and was one of the best players in Big 10 history. His NBA career should have no effect, no matter to what degree, on his college success.
  • killer_ewok
    Kevin "Extra Turnestria" Turner > Jimmy Jackson/Evan Turner