So if the 'Hail Mary' works...Does Alabama and Saban go for 2 pts and the win?

• ou1980

  Interesting question. Goes back when Hoke at Michigan went for the win in 2013 and came up short.I think Saban would have gone for he win. To drive the length of the field and be on the side of the field where there are a ton of Alabama fans sitting, no question.
• WebFire

  I would have.
• sleeper

  

  No.
• Heretic

  

  Probably not, in my opinion. I think a power conference coach (especially one with an NFL background, short as it was) on an upper-tier team is far less likely to let it all ride on one "momentum play" than guys at lesser-tier programs. I mean, there are exceptions, but it does seem that the farther up you go on the ladder, the more "NFL-like" coaches are with their decisions in situations like this.
• lhslep134

  

  ou1980;1693207 wrote: no question.

  
  "no question" he goes for two? L O f'ing L
• thavoice

  No.
  I think you go for two when you find yourself in a game where the other team is just that much better than you and ya are lucky to be even in that position. Saban goes for the EP, and extend the game.
  I think if you are even close to the other team in terms of talent then you tie it, and extend the game.
• WebFire

  thavoice;1693258 wrote:No.
  I think you go for two when you find yourself in a game where the other team is just that much better than you and ya are lucky to be even in that position. Saban goes for the EP, and extend the game.
  I think if you are even close to the other team in terms of talent then you tie it, and extend the game.

  This. He would have sent it to overtime.
• wkfan

  He would have gone for 1 and sent it to OT.
  
  They had the momentum at that point, so why risk losing the game on one play.
• ou1980

  lhslep134;1693245 wrote:"no question" he goes for two? L O f'ing L

  Lmao!!Here is Urban Meyer saying "no question" you go for two points and the win in that situation...from the 2013 Michigan-OSU post game press conference...Says no question you go for two at the :30 sec mark...http://youtu.be/qAdaCY2O-XM
• Automatik

  

  LOL!!!
  
  Completely different games/situations. UM had nothing to lose.
• thavoice

  Automatik;1693290 wrote:LOL!!!
  
  Completely different games/situations. UM had nothing to lose.

  True. Also I think it fits the description I posted about....if you are clearly the lesser team and just lucky to be in that position then yeah, what the hell why not go for the win. If both teams were undefeated and the B10 title game representation was on the line I think you see Michigan take the percentages and play for the tie, and extend the game.
• wildcats20

  

  Not a snow balls chance in hell.
• se-alum

  

  No chance. In any bowl game other than the semi's I can see going for it. Too much on the line in the big games, you have to go to OT and play it out.
• Heretic

  

  se-alum;1693322 wrote:No chance. In any bowl game other than the semi's I can see going for it. Too much on the line in the big games, you have to go to OT and play it out.

  Yeah, to compare it to, say CMU and WKU (a game from this year ending on a 2-point fail), in that game you had two nobody teams where one came from way back, had all the momentum and decided to win it or lose it on one play. Whether you make it or not, most of the talk will be about how crazy the game was and the hail mary to end it, with the matter of failing the 2-point conversion being a mere footnote after a bit.
  
  For OSU and Alabama, you had two teams in a game where the momentum had gone back and forth (Alabama had it big early, then Ohio State got it back and towards the end it was swinging back to the Tide). If you get the touchdown in a national semi and lose the game because you went for two instead of OT, you will be skewered for eternities.
  
  It's the situation. A meaningless bowl or a game where one team has everything to gain by winning and less to lose by losing (say, a 4-7 team trying to upset an 11-0 team, for example) is a place where going for 2 makes all the sense in the world. In a high-stakes game that either determines the national championship or determines you'll be playing there, it's a lot different. You play according to conventional wisdom to extend the game unless something has happened (such as a key injury) that would put you at a big disadvantage if the game went longer.
• lhslep134

  

  ou1980;1693287 wrote:Lmao!!Here is Urban Meyer saying "no question" you go for two points and the win in that situation...from the 2013 Michigan-OSU post game press conference...Says no question you go for two at the :30 sec mark...http://youtu.be/qAdaCY2O-XM

  I said it's laughable that you said "no question."
  
  Are you capable of comprehending what I wrote?
  
  
  
  
  **waits for response to rhetorical question**
• thavoice

  Heretic;1693421 wrote:Yeah, to compare it to, say CMU and WKU (a game from this year ending on a 2-point fail), in that game you had two nobody teams where one came from way back, had all the momentum and decided to win it or lose it on one play. Whether you make it or not, most of the talk will be about how crazy the game was and the hail mary to end it, with the matter of failing the 2-point conversion being a mere footnote after a bit.
  
  For OSU and Alabama, you had two teams in a game where the momentum had gone back and forth (Alabama had it big early, then Ohio State got it back and towards the end it was swinging back to the Tide). If you get the touchdown in a national semi and lose the game because you went for two instead of OT, you will be skewered for eternities.
  
  It's the situation. A meaningless bowl or a game where one team has everything to gain by winning and less to lose by losing (say, a 4-7 team trying to upset an 11-0 team, for example) is a place where going for 2 makes all the sense in the world. In a high-stakes game that either determines the national championship or determines you'll be playing there, it's a lot different. You play according to conventional wisdom to extend the game unless something has happened (such as a key injury) that would put you at a big disadvantage if the game went longer.

  Agreed. Coaches look at the worst case scenario. Going for two...worst case scenario is 50% or so chance you lose on that one decision, and get lambasted for it. Go for the EP and extend the game. You still may lose but you at least did the statistically correct thing. True, he could miss the EP but the shitstorm wouldnt go down to the coaching decision. That is why so many dont go for it on like 4th and 1 at their own 40 or so yardline. Pretty good chance you will get that one yard, but if you dont you practically hand the team at least 3 points.
• sleeper

  

  In short; you go for 2 if you suck and/or the game doesn't matter.
• WebFire

  sleeper;1693441 wrote:In short; you go for 2 if you suck and/or the game doesn't matter.

  Yep, nothing to lose, go for it. Everything to lose, go to OT.
• Footwedge

  Woody would have gone for3
• Footwedge

  I'm all but certain that Saban kicks the PAT and sends Urban some roses for allowing enough time to allow it to happen. Back in the early 80's, Nebraska's Tom Osborne went for 2 and failed when Tommy Frazier's pass was broken up.when a tie probably gives him the national championship against Kosar's Hurricanes. There was no OT back then.
• Al Bundy

  Footwedge;1693644 wrote:I'm all but certain that Saban kicks the PAT and sends Urban some roses for allowing enough time to allow it to happen. Back in the early 80's, Nebraska's Tom Osborne went for 2 and failed when Tommy Frazier's pass was broken up.when a tie probably gives him the national championship against Kosar's Hurricanes. There was no OT back then.

  Tommy Frazier was in about second grade during the game you are talking about.
• se-alum

  

  Al Bundy;1693805 wrote:Tommy Frazier was in about second grade during the game you are talking about.

  You're wrong, Tommy Frazier played 14 years of college football!
• Footwedge

  Al Bundy;1693805 wrote:Tommy Frazier was in about second grade during the game you are talking about.

  My bad...had to be Jerry Tagge then. I'm sure you will spend another 2 hours of your precious life googling Tagge now. Tagge played with Johnny Rogers when they beat politician Jack Mildren and the Sooners in the greatest game ever played.
• Al Bundy

  Footwedge;1693931 wrote:My bad...had to be Jerry Tagge then. I'm sure you will spend another 2 hours of your precious life googling Tagge now. Tagge played with Johnny Rogers when they beat politician Jack Mildren and the Sooners in the greatest game ever played.

  Wrong again. You claim to be a real football fan, but your lack of knowledge is just laughable. I don't need to google any of the players. The 1983 Huskers were the team of Turner Gill, Mike Rozier, and Irving Fryar. A real football fan who was old enough at that time would remember that team.
• lhslep134