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Should a 1-loss Runner Up Make Playoff over 1-loss Champ?

  • Classyposter58
    gport_tennis;1661481 wrote:16 team playoff is only fair way to do it. All D1 conference winners automatically qualify (including MAC, WAC, etc). The rest can be at large
    Nothing screams national title like Bowling Green vs Georgia
  • Classyposter58
    ernest_t_bass;1661659 wrote:Kentucky was an EIGHT seed in the tourney this year, and made it to the National Basketball Championship. You NEVER know what is going to happen in the post season. I'm so sick and tired of the knob slobbing of the SEC, all because ESPN. It's engrained in our heads that they are the top, so they deserve 2 teams in the NCG. Why not put Oklahoma and Baylor in the NCG. Is that EVER even thought about? OKL just lost to a conference foe, as did many SEC teams. But good lawd, SEC! SEC! SEC!...
    Why would ESPN want the SEC to win though if they don't even have the main TV contract with them?
  • sherm03
    ernest_t_bass;1661721 wrote:I think it makes perfect sense. MSU lost to a damn good Oregon team. If they win out, I don't see why they would be overlooked by an SEC team (and let's be real, we'd only ever see 2 SEC teams in consideration, mostly because SEC) with 1 loss, who just lost their conference championship game. Let's say Georgia ends up winning the SEC. Would you put the runner up in over MSU? MSU lost to Oregon, whom I feel is better than Georgia. Or would you go ahead and put the Runner up in over MSU, mostly b/c SEC?
    This point may be moot if the teams from the SEC West don't get out of conference play undefeated. If they just keep beating each other, you won't see a 1-loss SEC runner-up and your fear is gone.
  • ernest_t_bass
    sherm03;1661733 wrote:This point may be moot if the teams from the SEC West don't get out of conference play undefeated. If they just keep beating each other, you won't see a 1-loss SEC runner-up and your fear is gone.
    I not "afraid" of anything. I just think the nut hugging of the SEC as a whole is plain retarded. I mean, did you see some of the crap on BSPN this weekend, where idiot anchors had 3 SEC listed in the playoff, as of now? GTFO.
  • ernest_t_bass
    Classyposter58;1661727 wrote:Why would ESPN want the SEC to win though if they don't even have the main TV contract with them?
    Hunh?
  • sherm03
    ernest_t_bass;1661736 wrote:I not "afraid" of anything. I just think the nut hugging of the SEC as a whole is plain retarded. I mean, did you see some of the crap on BSPN this weekend, where idiot anchors had 3 SEC listed in the playoff, as of now? GTFO.
    I get that. I really do. I think it's absurd that Ole Miss and Miss State jumped from #11 and #12 to tied for #3 after a win. I understand your point with that. But one thing we can agree on is that not all conferences are equal. The best team in one conference (and I mean any conference) could be a mid-tier team in another conference and vice versa. In a situation where there are not even enough spots to account for all of the conference champions, then each spot should be at-large. You'd have to evaluate all teams with the same record and try to determine who is the best of those teams to get into the playoffs.
  • sleeper
    ptown_trojans_1;1661610 wrote:2012 National Title game.
    Just because you do not win your conference does not mean you cannot win the national title.
    And you cannot say, ,"Oh that doesn't count it is the SEC." BS. It happened, it is possible for a team to make the playoff without winning their conference.
    Irrelevant. That was a fraud of a game.

    The reality is, there are only 4 slots. Want to win the NATIONAL title? Be the best in your conference first.
  • sleeper
    sherm03;1661700 wrote:I understand that. But the point remains that a team can win a playoff situation and be crowned the National Champion without them winning (read: being the best in) their conference.
    It CAN happen. You also could put a shitty Sun Belt school in the championship game and they COULD win the title too.

    The reality is there are only 4 slots and if you can't even win your own conference you don't deserve a chance in the title game.
  • sleeper
    If there were more than 4 slots, then I don't care if the SEC had 4 teams in there, but the situation is not that; 4 teams, win your conference or sit on the sideline.
  • sleeper
    sherm03;1661739 wrote:I get that. I really do. I think it's absurd that Ole Miss and Miss State jumped from #11 and #12 to tied for #3 after a win. I understand your point with that. But one thing we can agree on is that not all conferences are equal. The best team in one conference (and I mean any conference) could be a mid-tier team in another conference and vice versa. In a situation where there are not even enough spots to account for all of the conference champions, then each spot should be at-large. You'd have to evaluate all teams with the same record and try to determine who is the best of those teams to get into the playoffs.
    Could, should. Can't prove it. But what you can prove is that your conference champion is the best in your conference. Arguing against this goes in the face of the entire purpose of having a champion and is disingenuous to sports in general.
  • sleeper
    sherm03;1661585 wrote:Dude. Fucking relax. It's not the end of the world when someone disagrees with you. I believe that, even if you are not the best in your conference you can still be better than the champion from a shit conference. Not sure why you're that dense.

    I'm not alone in that thinking. The NFL, MLB, NBA, and pretty much every other sport that has playoffs feels that same way. That's why there are wild card teams. In my opinion, when you only have 4 teams that can make a playoff, you need to make all 4 teams wild card teams. We just have a difference of opinion here. There's no reason for you to be a complete douche about it.
    Generally, only stupid and poor people disagree with me. Your stance doesn't surprise me.
  • Con_Alma
    It doesn't matter who the best team is in week1, 2, or even during conference championship week. What matters is who is the best team during the playoffs. The season schedule should be just to get you to the playoffs. The playoffs are when you play your best and become national champion. If that means 2 or 3 teams from the same conference are good enough to get in the playoff, so be it.
  • sleeper
    Con_Alma;1661753 wrote:It doesn't matter who the best team is in week1, 2, or even during conference championship week. What matters is who is the best team during the playoffs. The season schedule should be just to get you to the playoffs. The playoffs are when you play your best and become national champion. If that means 2 or 3 teams from the same conference are good enough to get in the playoff, so be it.
    Or we could have a system which eliminates subjectivity as much as possible to determine a national championship. Conferences with large media deals shouldn't get preferential treatment because they are just better because we say so. How do we know Miss St wouldn't finish dead last in the B1G or Pac-12? Again, if SEC teams feel they are being hindered because their conference is so much stronger than every other conference, they are free to leave and join another conference. I'd love to have LSU, Alabama, and Auburn in the B1G so we can watch them get dismantled week in, week out against our best teams.

    Remember, it wasn't long ago when A&M and Mizzou were middle of the road B12 teams and now are contenders year in year out in the SEC West(A&M) and East(Mizzou). The bias is real.
  • ernest_t_bass
    Playoffs start at the conference Championship game. This year's playoff should represent champs from B1G, Pac 12, SEC, and ACC. Sorry Big 12, but you're out until you get a conference championship game. Just let your champion play Notre Dame every year.
  • Con_Alma
    Eliminating the subjectivity is only productive if you think there is a purity in determining FBS / big school collegiate athletic national champions. There's not nor does there need to be. It's too big of a business.
  • sleeper
    ernest_t_bass;1661759 wrote:Playoffs start at the conference Championship game. This year's playoff should represent champs from B1G, Pac 12, SEC, and ACC. Sorry Big 12, but you're out until you get a conference championship game. Just let your champion play Notre Dame every year.
    I would love to have a post title game where the National Champ plays ND for all the marbles. ND is just so special and they are what makes college football great. I mean who doesn't like watching ND get blown out on the big stage?
  • Con_Alma
    sleeper;1661757 wrote:... The bias is real.
    Knowing the "bias is real" part of the "game" then becomes being good enough to overcome such bias in a manner that puts you in the nat champ game. If you can't then you are failing in a big part of today's game.

    Competitive athletics aren't fair. They never have been and probably never will be but they are still entertaining.
  • sleeper
    Con_Alma;1661763 wrote:Knowing the "bias is real" part of the "game" then becomes being good enough to overcome such bias in a manner that puts you in the nat champ game. If you can't then you are failing in a big part of today's game.

    Competitive athletics aren't fair. They never have been and probably never will be but they are still entertaining.
    I mean I have to agree with this. No matter what, I'm going to think Ohio State is the best team every year regardless of actual outcome.
  • Con_Alma
    I believe that you do... and there are others whom have the same outlook about their respective team
  • Scarlet_Buckeye
    ernest_t_bass;1661494 wrote:I've said it before, and I'll continue to say it... with 5 "major/power" conferences, the only pure way is to have an 8 team playoff. Take 5 conference champs (make Big 12 have a championship game), and then the 3 best left over. Hell, if there are 4 teams from the $EC in that 8 team playoff, at least each of the 5 power conferences have representation.
    Reps.
  • ernest_t_bass
    Scarlet_Buckeye;1661772 wrote:Reps.

    I would edit my previous post and say that the Big 12 doesn't necessarily need a championship game. However, the Big 12 needs to send their "champion" representative. No ties.
  • Classyposter58
    ernest_t_bass;1661737 wrote:Hunh?
    Everyone talks about the SEC bias on ESPN, but CBS has the big SEC contract
  • Al Bundy
    Classyposter58;1661782 wrote:Everyone talks about the SEC bias on ESPN, but CBS has the big SEC contract
    CBS also has SEC bias. I don't think anyone has said differently.
  • HitsRus
    The reality is, there are only 4 slots. Want to win the NATIONAL title? Be the best in your conference first.
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    The reality is there are only 4 slots and if you can't even win your own conference you don't deserve a chance in the title game
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    [Playoffs start at the conference Championship game.
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    [The season schedule should be just to get you to the playoffs. The playoffs are when you play your best and become national champion
    So why would a team that just lost a conference championship game get another shot??? Who cares if they "could win"....probably any one of a dozen teams "could" on any given day beat any of the other top dozen. The National Championship should be about and for teams that take care of business all season long. That starts by winning your conference.
  • Azubuike24
    Classyposter58;1661782 wrote:Everyone talks about the SEC bias on ESPN, but CBS has the big SEC contract
    Not true. CBS gets the pick for 10 weeks of the year which SEC game they want to air. However, the "big" SEC contract is still with the ESPN family of networks.

    The only difference with CBS is outside of Army/Navy, the Gator Bowl and the Sun Bowl, they don't air any other college football. ESPN on the other hand, has contracts with every other conference.