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Time Magazine..."It's time to pay college players." Yes?...No? Something else?

  • HitsRus
    The concept of amateurism is obsolete. If the NCAA doesn't realize that, as far as big-money sports go, it will become obsolete. Players will continue to take what other people feel they should get and as the "scandals" mount and more big-name schools get affected, eventually the breaking point will be reached and they'll tell the NCAA to take its million-page rulebook and cram it. Rumblings about that have come up and they're just going to keep growing.
    BINGO...and the NCAA is complicit in that, turning college athletics into a big money game where everyone is getting paid...except the players.
    The downside to allowing players to collect up to a certain amount on their likeness, autograph, whatever...is that it will cost the universities even more to make sure all of that is on the up-and-up. Doing that might be WORSE than what we have now.
    What could be worse than what we have now???? If amateurism is to be saved, this is how it will have to be. Keep it within a reasonable limit, and penalize violators fairly and evenly. Keep the rules simple and clear so much that a kid can understand it. If a kid wants to remain an amateur, he files a yearly document with the NCAA listing his income sources, and money made on things related to his playing amateur athletics. Keep the universities out of it...coaches and colleges should not be baby sitters nor be spending millions of dollars ensuring compliance.
  • sherm03
    HitsRus;1500233 wrote:...and the NCAA is complicit in that, turning college athletics into a big money game where everyone is getting paid...except the players.
    Correction. They have turned college FOOTBALL and BASKETBALL into a big money game. College athletics as a whole...are NOT big money games. Not many schools are raking in cash thanks to the men's and women's golf teams.

    HitsRus;1500233 wrote:What could be worse than what we have now???? If amateurism is to be saved, this is how it will have to be. Keep it within a reasonable limit, and penalize violators fairly and evenly. Keep the rules simple and clear so much that a kid can understand it. If a kid wants to remain an amateur, he files a yearly document with the NCAA listing his income sources, and money made on things related to his playing amateur athletics. Keep the universities out of it...coaches and colleges should not be baby sitters nor be spending millions of dollars ensuring compliance.
    Right. Because every kid would claim the $100 handshakes. The solution you propose does nothing to save amateurism. And you can't say that coaches and colleges should not be baby sitters or spending millions ensuring compliance. Universities invest tons of money into these kids (between the money spent sending coaches to recruit, to the free shit kids get on campus). They will absolutely spend the money to protect that investment. Big time LOL if you think schools would just sit back and assume that 18 or 19 year old kids are claiming everything like they should without checking everything with a fine tooth comb to make sure a student doesn't have to sit out for a year or whatever.
  • HitsRus
    ^^^and I'm sure everyone is honest on their taxes, yet we still do that.

    It takes 100 $100 handshakes to make $10K....and so what? How many athletes are going to be able to do that? How many do you think the NCAA will have to closely monitor? How difficult will it be to determine that the Ohio State QB driving around in a Porsche is cheating?
  • HitsRus
    http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6778847/college-athletes-deserve-paid

    ...and ESPN weighs in.....
  • GOONx19
    I'm a big Wilbon fan in general, but I think that's a very well-written article.
  • se-alum
    I'm completely against paying players. They get a free education, and many other perks that come with being an athlete-student. I wouldn't mind them being able to sell their possessions, as long as it was done through compliance for no more than the appraised value of the item.
  • ernest_t_bass
    se-alum;1502947 wrote:I'm completely against paying players. They get a free education, and many other perks that come with being an athlete-student. I wouldn't mind them being able to sell their possessions, as long as it was done through compliance for no more than the appraised value of the item.
    The university should not ever pay a player. If a players wants to make money in his/her own likeness (jersey sales, etc.), then why the hell should they not be allowed. When Mo-C was at tOSU, and everyone was walking around in #13 jerseys, why should he not be able to benefit in some way from that?
  • sherm03
    ernest_t_bass;1502969 wrote:The university should not ever pay a player. If a players wants to make money in his/her own likeness (jersey sales, etc.), then why the hell should they not be allowed. When Mo-C was at tOSU, and everyone was walking around in #13 jerseys, why should he not be able to benefit in some way from that?
    What do you do when you have athletes on both sides of the ball that are stars and wear the same number. I realize it doesn't happen all the time...but for example, last year ND had their best offensive and defensive players wearing #5. How do you determine who benefits from those sales? Do you just split them?

    I don't have a problem with athletes being able to sell their stuff, as long as it is not stuff that was given to them by the university (like cleats, hats, hoodies, etc.)
  • ernest_t_bass
    sherm03;1502975 wrote:What do you do when you have athletes on both sides of the ball that are stars and wear the same number. I realize it doesn't happen all the time...but for example, last year ND had their best offensive and defensive players wearing #5. How do you determine who benefits from those sales? Do you just split them?

    I don't have a problem with athletes being able to sell their stuff, as long as it is not stuff that was given to them by the university (like cleats, hats, hoodies, etc.)
    Football would be the exception with this. I guess, if it's a university that puts names on the back of jerseys, sell the jerseys with the names on the back?
  • lhslep134
    Nothing is going to happen with this issue until stuff starts happening in the O'Bannon lawsuit.
  • Fly4Fun
    se-alum;1502947 wrote:I'm completely against paying players. They get a free education, and many other perks that come with being an athlete-student. I wouldn't mind them being able to sell their possessions, as long as it was done through compliance for no more than the appraised value of the item.
    The problem with paying a fair value which you deem can be determined by appraisal is sports memorabilia doesn't necessarily get it's value from the quality of the craftsmanship as such a normal art appraisal would be based on. The value is because of the team and/or person it is associated with and generally that is set by the market. It is the same with being able to be paid for signatures, the value is completely subjective and easily manipulated by those willing to overpay to entice recruits to go to their school.

    Making it professional isn't really an option, neither is semi-professional unfortunately.
  • queencitybuckeye
    One part of the argument that I'm confused about is the "cut of the pie" mentality. If we're going to treat it like a job, let's do so. If I hire you for $100,000 and from your efforts I make a hundred million dollars, your earnings are the $100K we agreed to. If that "salary" is a scholarship, and you agree to those terms, so be it.
  • sherm03
    queencitybuckeye;1503053 wrote:One part of the argument that I'm confused about is the "cut of the pie" mentality. If we're going to treat it like a job, let's do so. If I hire you for $100,000 and from your efforts I make a hundred million dollars, your earnings are the $100K we agreed to. If that "salary" is a scholarship, and you agree to those terms, so be it.
    Spot on.
  • se-alum
    queencitybuckeye;1503053 wrote:One part of the argument that I'm confused about is the "cut of the pie" mentality. If we're going to treat it like a job, let's do so. If I hire you for $100,000 and from your efforts I make a hundred million dollars, your earnings are the $100K we agreed to. If that "salary" is a scholarship, and you agree to those terms, so be it.
    Reps. This has always been my argument.
  • se-alum
    Fly4Fun;1503039 wrote:The problem with paying a fair value which you deem can be determined by appraisal is sports memorabilia doesn't necessarily get it's value from the quality of the craftsmanship as such a normal art appraisal would be based on. The value is because of the team and/or person it is associated with and generally that is set by the market. It is the same with being able to be paid for signatures, the value is completely subjective and easily manipulated by those willing to overpay to entice recruits to go to their school.

    Making it professional isn't really an option, neither is semi-professional unfortunately.
    Things such as rings and gold pants can be appraised for their value. If you don't like it, don't sell it.
  • Fly4Fun
    se-alum;1503081 wrote:Things such as rings and gold pants can be appraised for their value. If you don't like it, don't sell it.
    But that's not their value. That's an assigned price and would be stealing value from the seller (the player) and giving a windfall to the buyer. This wouldn't be fixing any kind of supposed exploitation that exists, rather it's just acknowledging that something is wrong and players should be able to profit off their own property, but at the same time still limiting for the same reasons the rule prohibits it currently.

    Note: The above is not in line with my opinion about this situation as I don't think players need additional compensation and efforts to do such might just destroy the functionality of the system itself and thus obliterating college sports.
  • se-alum
    Fly4Fun;1503115 wrote:But that's not their value. That's an assigned price and would be stealing value from the seller (the player) and giving a windfall to the buyer. This wouldn't be fixing any kind of supposed exploitation that exists, rather it's just acknowledging that something is wrong and players should be able to profit off their own property, but at the same time still limiting for the same reasons the rule prohibits it currently.

    Note: The above is not in line with my opinion about this situation as I don't think players need additional compensation and efforts to do such might just destroy the functionality of the system itself and thus obliterating college sports.
    It's their exact value, and the player has the option to take it or wait until he's out of eligibility and sell it for what it's worth to the buyer. If they truly need $1,000, they would have the option to legally get it.
  • Fly4Fun
    se-alum;1503119 wrote:It's their exact value, and the player has the option to take it or wait until he's out of eligibility and sell it for what it's worth to the buyer. If they truly need $1,000, they would have the option to legally get it.
    No. You're confusing price with value. If the appraised price was the actual value than there would be no reason to have an appraisal to cap the price.

    I understand with your method you're trying to make it so people can't juke the system and have players selling their goods for over their price to avoid boosters funneling money to players, but at the same time you would be cheating the players (Assuming you believe they're already being cheated under the current system).
  • HitsRus
    The above is not in line with my opinion about this situation as I don't think players need additional compensation and efforts to do such might just destroy the functionality of the system itself and thus obliterating college sports.
    Typical white upper middle class attitude.
    http://theurbandaily.com/2011/03/14/should-college-athletes-get-paid/
    "Retired NBA star Chris Webber lamented as a student athlete that he was broke while his Michigan jersey sold in the campus store for $75."
    "The most intriguing aspect of the Fab Five special on ESPN was not their exploits on the basketball court (which were amazing), it was the conversation about money. When these five young men stepped onto the court for the University of Michigan, they instantly became cash cows for their universities. Sales of University of Michigan merchandise went from $1.5 million per year to over $10 million per year shortly after their first season. Jalen Rose, one of the members of the Fab Five, mentioned seeing that Nike had released a sneaker named after the group, and they regularly found their academic schedules being interrupted with trips around the world to promote a brand that was making everyone rich except for their own families"
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