Kansas @ Ohio State Dec 22

• sleeper

  

  SportsAndLady;1349388 wrote:Self>>>>>>Matta
  
  3 in a row against them Bucks

  Yeah, can't wait for football season when you can trumpet the other school. :rolleyes:
• LJ

  

  Ross, Scott and Williams all have the talent. It'a obvious that there are just correctable parts of their game missing. LZelle is talented but streaky as fuck.
• Tiger2003

  

  SportsAndLady;1349388 wrote:Self>>>>>>Matta

  
  That is not even debatable. Matta isn't even the best coach in his conference.
• SportsAndLady

  

  LJ;1349394 wrote:Ross, Scott and Williams all have the talent. It'a obvious that there are just correctable parts of their game missing. LZelle is talented but streaky as fuck.

  Ross? haha he was awful today. Scott had a pretty good game but he's not going to continue that. Williams? mehhh
• LJ

  

  SportsAndLady;1349399 wrote:Ross? haha he was awful today. Scott had a pretty good game but he's not going to continue that. Williams? mehhh

  
  1 game completely determines how talented a guy is? Wow. Good to know.
• LJ

  

  Also, LOL @ the Scott comment
• SportsAndLady

  

  Just calling it like I see it..Craft isn't any good. Thomas is streaky, but good. OSU is a 1 man overrated basketball team.
• Laley23

  

  Matta definitely doesnt develope guys very well. I think that much is pretty obvious. Diebler is about the only guy who got noticeably better over the years that comes to mind, and even he wasnt as good as I thought he would be.
• LJ

  

  Laley23;1349404 wrote:Matta definitely doesnt develope guys very well. I think that much is pretty obvious. Diebler is about the only guy who got noticeably better over the years that comes to mind, and even he wasnt as good as I thought he would be.

  
  Evan Turner?
• Laley23

  

  LJ;1349407 wrote:Evan Turner?

  DUR! Im an idiot.
  
  But overall, I think my point stands. Compared to other top coaches, his guys dont seem to take that next step. A few 1 an dones hurt his chances to showcase it, but yeah, hes had enough 3/4 years players that just never got better. This team, right now, is full of them.
• LJ

  

  I think the biggest issue is year 1 to year 2 as a starter development
• reclegend22

  

  Is sleeper serious about OSU not making the tournament? They will make the tournament. They are (can be) a good team, just not great IMO.
  
  I was surprised that Kansas won as easily as they did in Columbus, frankly. Although I believed KU would win.
• thedynasty1998

  

  Kansas is a really good team. Nothing to be ashamed of. Withey had a HUGE impact on the game, and OSU couldn't score in the paint. Good thing is they won't face anyone like him in the Big 10.
  
  The concern for OSU is Craft is forcing it offensively and really looks bad at times. I look for Williams, Ross and Scott to continue to improve. Thompson and Smith just have to stay aggressive.
• Midstate01

  

  Laley23;1349408 wrote:DUR! Im an idiot.
  
  But overall, I think my point stands. Compared to other top coaches, his guys dont seem to take that next step. A few 1 an dones hurt his chances to showcase it, but yeah, hes had enough 3/4 years players that just never got better. This team, right now, is full of them.

  
  This team isn't FULL of 3/4 year guys.
• Midstate01

  

  SportsAndLady;1349403 wrote:Just calling it like I see it..Craft isn't any good. Thomas is streaky, but good. OSU is a 1 man overrated basketball team.

  
  And lost by 6. And shot what 20 something percent. Ku didn't play great d. Osu got any shot they wanted. They made very few of them. Matta wasn't out coached today. No coach in America can make their kid make wide open shots...
• sleeper

  

  Ross sucks, too slow and can't handle the ball. DeChuck Thomas is overrated he just shoots a lot. Craft can't do anything offensively and we have no post game. The only bright spot is Scott but he's a scrawny tweener.
  
  I predict a 8 or 9 seed at best and could see this team missing the tournament.
• vball10set

  It's going to be a loooong B1G season, but we're going to win some we shouldn't and lose more than we'd like.
  
  btw, stay classy, S&L, it's only one win against a middle of the pack B1G team, and a 6 point one at that
• vball10set

  sleeper;1349422 wrote:.... and could see this team missing the tournament.

  lol
• SportsAndLady

  

  Midstate01;1349421 wrote:And lost by 6. And shot what 20 something percent. Ku didn't play great d. Osu got any shot they wanted. They made very few of them. Matta wasn't out coached today. No coach in America can make their kid make wide open shots...

  I'm sure that was Self's gameplan..let them shoot. You seriously thought OSU would win with Scott, Thompson, Ross, etc. shooting?
  
  btw, I never really said Matta was outcoached today...but Self 3, Matta 0. That is being outcoached.
• SportsAndLady

  

  vball10set;1349424 wrote:It's going to be a loooong B1G season, but we're going to win some we shouldn't and lose more than we'd like.
  
  btw, stay classy, S&L, it's only one win against a middle of the pack B1G team, and a 6 point one at that

  What did I say that was lacking class? I can't have an honest opinion of a team? They're the 7th ranked team in the country, and yet you just said it's going to be a looooong B1G season. That is the definition of overrated. Overrated doesn't equal bad. Just not a top 10 team. Sorry if I hit a few nerves.
• vball10set

  SportsAndLady;1349431 wrote:What did I say that was lacking class? I can't have an honest opinion of a team? They're the 7th ranked team in the country, and yet you just said it's going to be a looooong B1G season. That is the definition of overrated. Overrated doesn't equal bad. Just not a top 10 team. Sorry if I hit a few nerves.

  I agree that they're not a top ten team, and also agree that at #7 they're overrated, but in my own honest opinion, "Self>>>>>>Matta" and "Craft isn't any good" are classless comments made to rub salt in the wound. You won, we lost, congrats.
• SportsAndLady

  

  vball10set;1349437 wrote:I agree that they're not a top ten team, and also agree that at #7 they're overrated, but in my own honest opinion, "Self>>>>>>Matta" and "Craft isn't any good" are classless comments made to rub salt in the wound. You won, we lost, congrats.

  Haha you can't be serious? Saying one coach is better than the other, and that a player in my opinion isn't any good is classless? Are you this sensitive in real life?
  
  Craft has taken a TON of criticism, on here and elsewhere. Even by own Buckeye fans (read this thread). If I didn't hear how great he was by Buckeye fans (read: you), I wouldn't just blabber out that I don't think he's good.
  
  And Self is better than any coach in the country, so don't get your feelings hurt when I say he's better than yours.
• reclegend22

  

  SportsAndLady;1349448 wrote:Haha you can't be serious? Saying one coach is better than the other, and that a player in my opinion isn't any good is classless? Are you this sensitive in real life?
  
  Craft has taken a TON of criticism, on here and elsewhere. Even by own Buckeye fans (read this thread). If I didn't hear how great he was by Buckeye fans (read: you), I wouldn't just blabber out that I don't think he's good.
  
  And Self is better than any coach in the country, so don't get your feelings hurt when I say he's better than yours.

  Perhaps as good as anyone, but certainly not better than every other coach. Although, there is one coach that I don't think I'd put him on par with at this stage in his career. I probably do not have to tell you who that is. Ha.
• SportsAndLady

  

  reclegend22;1349449 wrote:Perhaps as good as anyone, but certainly not better than every other coach. Although, there is one coach that I don't think I'd put him on par with at this stage in his career. I probably do not have to tell you who that is. Ha.

  Haha I don't expect anyone to agree, really. There are 2-5 of 'those' coaches where their fans will say their guys the best. K being one of them (yes I understood you were talking about K haha)
• Terry_Tate

  

  I've said it for a month, but I honestly think Scott is better than Craft and needs to be given the keys to the car. Craft offensively is attrocious. This team has plenty of talent, its just putting it all together. It's still a bunch of sophomores plus Rav, Craft, Thomas and Smith. The sophomores all need to get a lot of playing time because I think with experience they'll be really good by the end of the year. Can't say the same about Craft and Rav.