Best Current Coaches with an NCAA Title
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Laley23
Ah, yeah that makes sense.SportsAndLady;1342723 wrote:It just sounded a little contradicting when in the first part you said its easier to succeed with warm weather..than said its easier to succeed at Kansas than Florida.
I do agree its easier to succeed at Kansas though. -
reclegend22
Those are all valid reasons for what happened. But, I think you left out one important, maybe the most important, factor that played into that NIT season for Carolina in 2010. And my main criticism of Roy Williams, and what I think will keep him from being in the same conversation as Dean, Knight and K. That criticism being Roy's inability -- or perhaps unwillingness is a more apt term -- to adapt his basketball philosophy to the strengths and weaknesses of the team that he has on the floor. That Tar Heels team in 2010 just didn't have the goods to run the floor and play the way Roy's championship teams did. Yet Roy continued with that strategy, grudgingly holding on to that "secondary break" mentality, and UNC got hammered night in and night out throughout the entire season by teams that simply exploited that fact and the Heels glaring offensive woes.ironman02;1342397 wrote:2010 was definitely a black eye for Roy Williams and Carolina basketball. The team was talanted, but I do think it's pretty easy to see why things turned out as they did. That Carolina team had just lost Hansbrough, Lawson, Ellington, and Green to the NBA. They did return talented players like Ed Davis and Deon Thompson, but Davis wasn't around for the last 15 games or so due to injury, and obviously Thompson was a little more than an average college player. Ginyard was coming off an injury and was never the same, but had a limited skill set to begin with. Will Graves was simply a three-point shooter, and that's it. Zeller was basically still a freshman due to his injury the previous season, and a talented recruiting class that included Henson, McDonald, and Strickland had not yet developed. Finally, Drew II and the Wears were there, which needs no other explanation.
Overall, it was a combination of injuries, inexperience, and a few recruiting misses/eventual transfers that sort of created a perfect storm. Roy has always been a great recruiter, but he had a couple classes in a row that really cost him, and set the program back for a year or two. He didn't do a particularly good job of coaching that team either, which he has admitted. Sometimes even Carolina fans are pretty hard on Roy for his Xs and Os, in-game adjustments, and philosophy regarding timeouts. However, when you look at his resume, and take a closer look at what he's truly trying to accomplish, his body of work speaks for itself. Missing the NCAAT at Carolina is pretty inexcusable, especially with what appeared to be a "talented" team, but there were several factors at play. If this year's team ends up taking a turn for the worse, then Roy should take a lot of heat for it because there should be more than enough talent on the roster to win 20+ games before tournament time.
In 2007, Duke entered the season after losing two first team All-Americans, the all-time leading scorer in ACC history, and over 85 percent of the previous season's offensive production. The only returning starters were Greg Paulus and Josh McRoberts, whom I consider to be worse than many strains of cancer. Maybe not brain. That could have been a disaster of a season, and by Coach K's standards -- the Blue Devils finished the year 22-11 and lost in the first round of the NCAAs -- it was. But, rather than implement the same high-powered, high-scoring style of play that propelled many of Duke's early 2000s teams, including the 2001 championship club, K understood that 2007 was a completely different kind of team. So he took air out of the ball and instituted a strictly methodical, half-court approach. I don't recall the Devils scoring a fast break bucket the entire year. Duke averaged 70 points a game that season, barely scoring 60 on many nights. But it got Duke to the NCAAs on a year that it probably shouldn't have.
While Roy is an elite coach and one of the best of the modern era, he has proven to not be a very versatile coach. -
Classyposter58
No love on here for Coach Cal? Guy has like a .800 when you take away the vacations, and made Memphis and UMass into top teams, and he's already been to the last 2 Final Fours -
GOONx19
^ There's no debate that Cal is a great coach. He's the best recruiter of all time, and he does a phenomenal job managing superstar egos. As an in game coach, he's above average, but he's not the best at making adjustments. I don't think anyone, regardless of their taste for him, will argue that he isn't one of the best right now. But with the talent he has on his rosters, he should be. -
SportsAndLady
I don't think cal is a great coach. The guy can obviously recruit, but you said it yourself he has problems adjusting in game. Imo great coaches don't have flaws in one of the biggest areas of actually coaching.GOONx19;1343636 wrote:^ There's no debate that Cal is a great coach. He's the best recruiter of all time, and he does a phenomenal job managing superstar egos. As an in game coach, he's above average, but he's not the best at making adjustments. I don't think anyone, regardless of their taste for him, will argue that he isn't one of the best right now. But with the talent he has on his rosters, he should be.
How I describe cal-unbelievable recruiter that when given a team like he had last year (which, all the credit goes to him, so im not taking anything away from him) hes good enough to win a title. Without a team like that he's lucky to get em past the sweet sixteen. -
wildcats20
SportsAndLady;1343678 wrote:I don't think cal is a great coach. The guy can obviously recruit, but you said it yourself he has problems adjusting in game. Imo great coaches don't have flaws in one of the biggest areas of actually coaching.
How I describe cal-unbelievable recruiter that when given a team like he had last year (which, all the credit goes to him, so im not taking anything away from him) hes good enough to win a title. Without a team like that he's lucky to get em past the sweet sixteen.
I agree. -
Azubuike24
I think Cal is an underrated coach. I mean he took the 2010-11 team to the Final Four, knocking off the Tournament favorite en route. Josh Harrellson is in the NBA. DeAndre Liggins is in the NBA. These guys both were close to being cut. That team basically had 3 Freshman (Brandon Knight, Terrence Jones, Doron Lamb), 1 experienced Junior (Darius Miller) and 2 cast-offs (Josh Harrellson and DeAndre Liggins).
That was certainly a year of upsets in the NCAA Tournament, and that UK team almost lost to Princeton in round 1. With that said, it was certainly a testament of not only a good coach, but one who took a thin and NOT overly talented squad, and beat both Thad Matta/Ohio State and Roy Williams/North Carolina (probably 2 of the 3 most talented teams that season) in the Regionals.
It's going to be a similar challenge for him this year...except without any experienced players back. Even that 2010-11 team did have 2 Juniors and a Senior. Say he takes this year's team back to the Final Four...it would only strengthen the argument. -
reclegend22
He was already the unanimous favorite of this title on the other thread. There is no doubt about it.ccrunner609;1344070 wrote:After today, Brad Stevens at Butler may be the best coach without a championship. -
Mulva
After today? Not after taking Butler to back to back title games?ccrunner609;1344070 wrote:After today, Brad Stevens at Butler may be the best coach without a championship. -
SportsAndLady
As he puts it in the wrong thread lolMulva;1344079 wrote:After today? Not after taking Butler to back to back title games? -
vball10set
http://www.ohiochatter.com/forum/showthread.php?38154-Best-Current-Coaches-without-an-NCAA-Titleccrunner609;1344070 wrote:After today, Brad Stevens at Butler may be the best coach without a championship.