Article about ND football

• karen lotz

  

  The story itself is not funny at all. Vball acting like he's concerned about a story from two years ago is. He's trying to be sleeper.
• KR1245

  

  killer_ewok;1332969 wrote:Agreed it's not funny and it's impossible to ever know exactly what happened. What we do know, the girl suffered from a mental illness, accused an ND player of touching her breast and then she OD'ed on some her mental illness meds.

  True. We also know that ND police waited 9 days before trying to contact the player. I'm not a ND hater but there is NO excuse to wait that long, whether the girl was lying or not doesnt matter, you have to look into that.
• Tiernan

  Let's see Penn St gets 4 yrs. probation because somebody who hasn't actually been part of the football program since 1996 was raping people not asociated with the school. But ND gets no penalty whatsoever when a current member of the football team rapes a fellow student who in turn commits suicide because he was also terrorizing her....hmmmm seems pretty fair by the usual standards of the NCAA which also equalizes recruiting pay-offs with selling or trading memoribilia.
  
  RIP Lizzie & Declan may justice sometime be found for your poor souls.
• vball10set

  karen lotz;1332980 wrote:The story itself is not funny at all. Vball acting like he's concerned about a story from two years ago is. He's trying to be sleeper.

  lol, and now you know how I feel and what I'm trying to be? Tell me, lotz, it's already been confirmed you're fat, but I'll bet you're also "that 30 year old guy" who attends games in your green #10 Brady Quinn jersey, amirite? Again, no PM's please.
• karen lotz

  

  vball10set;1333007 wrote:lol, and now you know how I feel and what I'm trying to be? Tell me, lotz, it's already been confirmed you're fat, but I'll bet you're also "that 30 year old guy" who attends games in your green #10 Brady Quinn jersey, amirite? Again, no PM's please.

  
  You talking about other people sending pm's is quite funny. I'm guessing S&L will back me up on that.
• sjmvsfscs08

  Tiernan;1332983 wrote:Let's see Penn St gets 4 yrs. probation because somebody who hasn't actually been part of the football program since 1996 was raping people not asociated with the school. But ND gets no penalty whatsoever when a current member of the football team rapes a fellow student who in turn commits suicide because he was also terrorizing her....hmmmm seems pretty fair by the usual standards of the NCAA which also equalizes recruiting pay-offs with selling or trading memoribilia.
  
  RIP Lizzie & Declan may justice sometime be found for your poor souls.

  I was fairly certain that her accusation was that she was groped at a party.
  
  It's pretty tough to prove something when you kill yourself. We'll never know what happened. We do know that you are using the deaths of two people to try and annoy Notre Dame on here. wtf is wrong with you?
• vball10set

  karen lotz;1333019 wrote:You talking about other people sending pm's is quite funny. I'm guessing S&L will back me up on that.

  Funny, but I don't recall mine being perverse and creepy, and I think S&L will back me up on that too. Care to continue?
• karen lotz

  

  vball10set;1333028 wrote:Funny, but I don't recall mine being perverse and creepy, and I think S&L will back me up on that too. Care to continue?

  
  Creepy as fuck actually and I'm sure he will agree.
• vball10set

  karen lotz;1333035 wrote:Creepy as **** actually and I'm sure he will agree.

  We'll see, but in the meantime, this look familiar?
  
  http://www.ohiochatter.com/forum/showthread.php?37941-Karen-Lotz-2.0&p=1331246&viewfull=1#post1331246
  
  ....this was your PM to ETB, right?
• killer_ewok

  

  Tiernan;1332983 wrote:Let's see Penn St gets 4 yrs. probation because somebody who hasn't actually been part of the football program since 1996 was raping people not asociated with the school. But ND gets no penalty whatsoever when a current member of the football team rapes a fellow student who in turn commits suicide because he was also terrorizing her....hmmmm seems pretty fair by the usual standards of the NCAA which also equalizes recruiting pay-offs with selling or trading memoribilia.
  
  RIP Lizzie & Declan may justice sometime be found for your poor souls.

  
  Since when is allegedly touching a boob considered rape? That's quite a reach on your part.
• karen lotz

  

  vball10set;1333036 wrote:We'll see, but in the meantime, this look familiar?
  
  http://www.ohiochatter.com/forum/showthread.php?37941-Karen-Lotz-2.0&p=1331246&viewfull=1#post1331246
  
  ....this was your PM to ETB, right?

  yup. looks like he was successfully trolled.
• sleeper

  

  killer_ewok;1333038 wrote:Since when is allegedly touching a boob considered rape? That's quite a reach on your part.

  It's still sexual assault. What is with ND and their fans wanting to sweep crimes under the rug?
• vball10set

  In your words, lol.
• vball10set

  karen lotz;1333040 wrote:yup. looks like he was successfully trolled.

  In your vernacular, lol :rolleyes:
• KR1245

  

  killer_ewok;1333038 wrote:Since when is allegedly touching a boob considered rape? That's quite a reach on your part.

  I agree.
  
  Did ND ever state why they waited so long to contact the accused player? I'm not asking this to be a jerk, I'm curious. Also, any truth to the rumors that the player has a violent past? I heard he threw a desk at a teacher in high school
• vball10set

  KR1245;1333047 wrote:I agree.
  
  Did ND ever state why they waited so long to contact the accused player? I'm not asking this to be a jerk, I'm curious. Also, any truth to the rumors that the player has a violent past? I heard he threw a desk at a teacher in high school

  Who's the player? Has that been disclosed?
• karen lotz

  

  KR1245;1333047 wrote:I agree.
  
  Did ND ever state why they waited so long to contact the accused player? I'm not asking this to be a jerk, I'm curious. Also, any truth to the rumors that the player has a violent past? I heard he threw a desk at a teacher in high school

  they waited because there were conflicting stories between the accuser and her friends that were there. They all talked to police and had different accounts of what occurred.
• karen lotz

  

  vball10set;1333050 wrote:Who's the player? Has that been disclosed?

  
  yes, its always disclosed when there aren't charges made in a sexual assault case. I'm willing to bet you are family friends of his.
• killer_ewok

  

  sleeper;1333041 wrote:It's still sexual assault. What is with ND and their fans wanting to sweep crimes under the rug?

  
  Alleged sexual assault.
  
  I don't think any crimes were swept under the rug (assuming what Lotz said is true about why the police waited). The DS tragedy/accident wasn't attempted to be hidden in any way to my knowledge. So please explain.
• vball10set

  karen lotz;1333058 wrote:yes, its always disclosed when there aren't charges made in a sexual assault case. I'm willing to bet you are family friends of his.

  Let's recap--you're fat, wear a green #10 Brady Quinn jersey, are a proud Owens CC grad, works the family farm in Pemberville, and likes to send creepy PM's and stalk people on a message board--did I leave anything out?
• vball10set

  karen lotz;1333053 wrote:they waited because there were conflicting stories between the accuser and her friends that were there. They all talked to police and had different accounts of what occurred.

  link?
• KR1245

  

  killer_ewok;1333060 wrote:Alleged sexual assault.
  
  I don't think any crimes were swept under the rug (assuming what Lotz said is true about why the police waited). The DS tragedy/accident wasn't attempted to be hidden in any way to my knowledge. So please explain.

  9 days still seems way too long. That kid should have been brought in for questioning right away
• karen lotz

  

  vball10set;1333064 wrote:Let's recap--you're fat, wear a green #10 Brady Quinn jersey, are a proud Owens CC grad, works the family farm in Pemberville, and likes to send creepy PM's and stalk people on a message board--did I leave anything out?

  
  lol
• vball10set

  karen lotz;1333071 wrote:lol

  lol
• Mooney44Cards

  

  For the record, once she died they could no longer charge the accused with a crime because court precedent says the witness/accuser has to be able to be cross-examined by the defense.
  
  Still is kinda shady how long it took but let's not act like our legal system is normally some speedy process. I find the Declan Sullivan situation to be a lot more damning of the university than the Seeberg incident.