new incoming academic standards starting in 2016

• karen lotz

  

  NCAA will raise the standards of incoming freshman and if they aren't met, they will be given an academic redshirt. 40% of the incoming athletes this past year would have missed the cutoffs.
  
  http://espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/football/story/_/id/7885522/new-incoming-eligibility-standards-create-term
  
  
  Looks like the SEC schools are already scrambling to get the word out so their guys are eligible.
• bigkahuna

  Is it me, or does will this allow even more oversigning by the SEC? It seems like it's going to benefit them more than anyone else.
• ytownfootball

  

  bigkahuna;1162327 wrote:Is it me, or does will this allow even more oversigning by the SEC? It seems like it's going to benefit them more than anyone else.

  Not sure about allow, but bet they throw every damn thing they have at the wall to see what sticks regardless.
• karen lotz

  

  bigkahuna;1162327 wrote:Is it me, or does will this allow even more oversigning by the SEC? It seems like it's going to benefit them more than anyone else.

  
  How? They still have the limit of 25 scholarships. The only difference is if the kids don't meet the new initial eligibility standards, they have to redshirt their first season. They would still be on scholarship and count against the 85 limit. If SEC coaches want to take on a guaranteed redshirt, I don't see how that helps them sign more players.
• sleeper

  

  They need to get tougher, but the SEC won't allow it.
• krambman

  

  karen lotz;1162343 wrote:How? They still have the limit of 25 scholarships. The only difference is if the kids don't meet the new initial eligibility standards, they have to redshirt their first season. They would still be on scholarship and count against the 85 limit. If SEC coaches want to take on a guaranteed redshirt, I don't see how that helps them sign more players.

  The reason that SEC coaches give to justify oversigning is that they know some students they sign likely won't qualify and will have to go to a junior college for a year. These new academic standards means that more players won't qualify, meaning the SEC will oversign even more because they know that half of the guys they sign will end up at a JC and then enroll the next year, when they can kick some other players off the team for fake reasons to make room. Since the B1G doesn't allow oversigning, they will still only sign the number of players they have room for, then if some don't qualify, the school just has open scholarship spots.
• karen lotz

  

  They can't sign more than 25 in a year.
  
  and the ones that sign and don't qualify have to red shirt.
• ytownfootball

  

  karen lotz;1162964 wrote:They can't sign more than 25 in a year.
  
  and the ones that sign and don't qualify have to red shirt.

  That doesn't mean they can't offer 32, thereby preventing them from going where they could play/redshirt whatever.
• karen lotz

  

  ytownfootball;1162969 wrote:That doesn't mean they can't offer 32, thereby preventing them from going where they could play/redshirt whatever.

  
  What? Most teams offer well over 100 kids.
• ytownfootball

  

  karen lotz;1162974 wrote:What? Most teams offer well over 100 kids.

  But most don't accept commitments totaling more than they have room for.
  
  http://oversigning.com/testing/
• karen lotz

  

  No
• ytownfootball

  

  I did the work for you.
• karen lotz

  

  what does offering 32 have to do with how many sign? Sec can only sign 25 a year.
• ytownfootball

  

  karen lotz;1162992 wrote:what does offering 32 have to do with how many sign? Sec can only sign 25 a year.

  Because the SEC has a history of ACCEPTING commits they don't have room for, then "making room" by various methods, medical hardships etc.
  
  The oversigning link does a nice job of breaking down Alabamas "march to 85"
• krambman

  

  karen lotz;1162992 wrote:what does offering 32 have to do with how many sign? Sec can only sign 25 a year.

  No, they can actually sign more than 25. They only have to get down to 85 scholarship players by the fall. Schools that oversign (like nearly every school in the SEC), end up getting down to this number by having some of their commits not qualify academically and transfer to JuCo's, some just choose to transfer because they realize there isn't room, some are asked to grayshirt (meaning they enroll in school at their own cost and are put on scholarship the next year, because they don't have enough scholarships for them this year), and sometimes they dismiss upperclassmen on scholarship or get players medical hardships (the SEC has more hardships every year by a lot, so either more players in the SEC are getting hurt, or they are taking advantage of the system) to make room for the new players they signed.
  
  Take three minutes to read this and you'll understand that oversigning isn't a myth and that it's a real problem. It should also help you understand how this new rule will help schools that oversign and hurt those that don't.
  
  http://oversigning.com/testing/index.php/2011/07/22/alabamas-march-to-85-finished/
  
  EDIT: Seven different SEC schools AVERAGED more than 25 signed commits a year between 2002-2010. Auburn was the worst offender, averaging over 28 players a class. The B1G on the other hand doesn't have a single school averaging over 15 commits a year. Ohio State and Notre Dame each averaged 20 members per recruiting class in that time frame.
• karen lotz

  

  Oh, there must not be a new limit on how many can sign in the SEC.
• 0311sdp

  The SEC does nothing that is not legal, unethical yes, but legal. They just take full advantage of the rules with no regard for the athletes that must be "sacrificed." The scholarship rule should be changed to 4 years otherwise there will always be those who oversign and cut.
• krambman

  

  0311sdp;1163088 wrote:The SEC does nothing that is not legal, unethical yes, but legal. They just take full advantage of the rules with no regard for the athletes that must be "sacrificed." The scholarship rule should be changed to 4 years otherwise there will always be those who oversign and cut.

  This year the NCAA allowed schools to offer four year scholarships for the first time. I believe all B1G schools offered them. I think there were also three SEC schools that offered them (Georgia, Florida, and Vanderbilt), but they don't oversign anyway.
• bigkahuna

  This is a short thread so far, but I have a feeling that this will turn into krambman vs. the wall.