Jon Scheyer

• trep14

  reclegend22 wrote: Not everyone can end each season with their best game of the season in the national championship game.
  
  Even Jason Williams, who scored at will and put up monster game after monster game in leading Duke to the 2001 NCAA Tournament championship, including a game against UCLA in the Sweet 16 that saw Jason score an NCAA record 19 consecutive points for both teams, came up short on occasion. A year after that '01 NCAA romp, Williams played one of the worst games of his career against Indiana in the Sweet 16, missing the game-tying free throw with a couple of seconds left and leaving Duke with an early NCAA exit.
  
  Come on, trep.

  But that is what Jon Scheyer's game is built on. He is a streaky shooter. He's as likely to put up 30 points as he is 10 points in any given night. Big game players step up in every big game. You can't declare him a big game player because he put up a ton of points in the ACC championship game and a game against Wake Forest and then just ignore horrendous nights against Wisky and in Duke's elimination game in the NCAA tourney against Nova.
  
  Heck, the game against Wake Forest earlier in the year last season, Scheyer went 2 for 10 for 13 points in a 2 point loss to #4 Wake Forest. Like I said, inconsistent. As likely to put up 30 as he is 10 in any given night.
• jordo212000

  

  Seriously, how many of you are in Jon Sceyer's family haha? Reclegend, are you his dad or something?
• georgemc80

  He does what he did last night to any team in the country. He was simply on fire and in the "zone". I know it was Gard Webb, but seriously when youre on youre on and it doesn't matter who the other team is.
  
  This Duke team has me curious.
• swamisez

  

  I think the only thing that can be agreed on is that Jon Scheyer is the best jewish player in college bball.
• Prescott

  He does what he did last night to any team in the country. He was simply on fire and in the "zone".

  C'mon George, you are smarter than this. Hitting wide open jumpers against Gardner Webb is easier than hitting contested jumpers against stiffer competition. Contested shots are rushed , which lowers the accuracy.
  
  Scheyer had a great night last night, but let's try to keep it in perspective.
  

  Why does every conversation revolve around whether the kid can play in the NBA?

  When a player is deemed to be GREAT at the college level, the natural thing to do is consider his prospects at the next level.
• reclegend22

  

  SQ_Crazies wrote:You're the one who called him a big game performer now you're making excuses...you certainly haven't changed. How's Coach K's....well nevermind.

  Those aren't excuses. They are the realities of a basketball playing human, and one that is a student in college no less. Of course top players like Williams or Scheyer are going to have down games, and even really bad ones.
  
  You're completely missing the point. The picture I was trying to paint (and I obviously failed miserably) for trep was that for all the great performances a Jason Williams or a Jon Scheyer makes, there will also be some games where they just struggle. I'm not not sure why this is so hard to grasp, really.
  
  Again, big game performers are allowed to come up short in games, too. It's part of athletics.
  
  Scheyer's ACC Tournament MVP run last season ends this discussion.
• SQ_Crazies

  

  No, no. You labelled him as a big game performer. He isn't. He's a streaky shooter and has nights where he is nearly unstoppable. But overall he isn't that great--like I said, any player like him is bound to have big games like he does sometimes, that's how the game is. Some nights you have it and some nights you don't.
• jordo212000

  

  ccrunner609 wrote: Why does every conversation revolve around whether the kid can play in the NBA? Cant we just keep them in college for now?

  Even if Scheyer had any more eligibility you still wouldn't have to worry about him leaving. He won't be in the NBA. He isn't quick enough to play PG in the league and he isn't athletic enough to play SG.
• trep14

  reclegend22 wrote:

  SQ_Crazies wrote:You're the one who called him a big game performer now you're making excuses...you certainly haven't changed. How's Coach K's....well nevermind.

  Those aren't excuses. They are the realities of a basketball playing human, and one that is a student in college no less. Of course top players like Williams or Scheyer are going to have down games, and even really bad ones.
  
  You're completely missing the point. The picture I was trying to paint (and I obviously failed miserably) for trep was that for all the great performances a Jason Williams or a Jon Scheyer makes, there will also be some games where they just struggle. I'm not not sure why this is so hard to grasp, really.
  
  Again, big game performers are allowed to come up short in games, too. It's part of athletics.
  
  Scheyer's ACC Tournament MVP run last season ends this discussion.

  
  No one is saying "big game performers" aren't allowed to come up short in games. Its just when they come up short more often than they don't, they aren't "big game performers".
  
  Scheyer played well in two out of three games in the ACC tournament last year, followed by him not playing particularly well in the first two games of the NCAA tournament, followed by him completely imploding in the elimination game. Dude is the definition of a streaky shooter and inconsistency. Please, spare us, no one else here thinks Scheyer is a "big time performer". It seriously makes me laugh out loud.
• ZeroCool

  scheyer has been the glue for the last four years. level headed great college player. probably not an nba prospect ever but a great college player. osu fans shouldnt even be allowed to comment on a duke thread. even carolina fans have common sense, but osu fans, give me a break.
• jordo212000

  

  ZeroCool wrote: scheyer has been the glue for the last four years. level headed great college player. probably not an nba prospect ever but a great college player. osu fans shouldnt even be allowed to comment on a duke thread. even carolina fans have common sense, but osu fans, give me a break.

  seeing how Freehuddle is a take off from an Ohio based message board... I am guessing that you are probably going to have to put up with a fair share of Buckeye fans
• SQ_Crazies

  

  Duke fans should never comment on their own team. Calling Scheyer a big game performer is the most ridiculous thing anyone has said on the thread yet and it came from a Duke fan.
• trep14

  ZeroCool wrote: scheyer has been the glue for the last four years. level headed great college player. probably not an nba prospect ever but a great college player. osu fans shouldnt even be allowed to comment on a duke thread. even carolina fans have common sense, but osu fans, give me a break.

  What, you think OSU fans don't watch college basketball?
  
  Jon Scheyer may be a glue guy, but that doesn't mean someone is a great college player, although Dickie V may have you believe that anyone who plays at Duke for four years is a great college player.
• reclegend22

  

  And certainly watching Scheyer play just when you might happen to see Duke's on the television gives you zero right to discuss how good the kid's game is at all. And if you did watch him play on a consistent basis, throughout the stretch of a season where big games are many, then you wouldn't be passing Scheyer's game off so easily.
  
  The kid's on pace to score over 2,000 career points at Duke, and scoring isn't even the main focus of his game (even though he's developed into a great scorer). He's a play maker. He makes things happen on the court for Duke. Plain and simple. When you watch Scheyer on the court you can't help but think of a guy like John Stockton or Shane Battier (in terms of that unbelievable basketball antennae and sense on the floor). Certainly as a player overall, Scheyer's nowhere near those guys. Obviously. But if you can't see that elevated mental gear Scheyer plays with on the court then you're not watching.
  
  The college basketball experts see it. Wake up.
• reclegend22

  

  Scheyer's ATO ratio was 8:1 heading into the game last night. Do you even realize how damn good that is? And he's a "fallback" point guard since Duke doesn't have a true one.
  
  I don't expect you to, though.
• SQ_Crazies

  

  I'm not taking anything away from what he's done. He's a shooter and a pretty good one--I'm not OVERLY impressed by the points. He's been a 4 year player and he shoots A LOT. But he isn't what you're making him out to be--you're overrating the shit out of him, but then again you do that with anything that says Duke on it, yet you think OSU fans are bad...
• SQ_Crazies

  

  No, you're right I don't get it. I'd take a 2:1 ratio over that all day.........
• trep14

  reclegend22 wrote: Scheyer's ATO ratio was 8:1 heading into the game last night. Do you even realize how damn good that is? And he's a "fallback" point guard since Duke doesn't have a true one.
  
  I don't expect you to, though.

  Get back to me in March. He's finished with an ATO of 2:1 the past two years...I don't expect this year to be any different.
• trep14

  reclegend22 wrote: And certainly watching Scheyer play just when you might happen to see Duke's on the television gives you zero right to discuss how good the kid's game is at all. And if you did watch him play on a consistent basis, throughout the stretch of a season where big games are many, then you wouldn't be passing Scheyer's game off so easily.
  
  The kid's on pace to score over 2,000 career points at Duke, and scoring isn't even the main focus of his game (even though he's developed into a great scorer). He's a play maker. He makes things happen on the court for Duke. Plain and simple. When you watch Scheyer on the court you can't help but think of a guy like John Stockton or Shane Battier (in terms of that unbelievable basketball antennae and sense on the floor). Certainly as a player overall, Scheyer's nowhere near those guys. Obviously. But if you can't see that elevated mental gear Scheyer plays with on the court then you're not watching.
  
  The college basketball experts see it. Wake up.

  Then why are you trying to make him out to be some great scorer? You were the one who said he is a big game performer. He's not. Like I said, he is an inconsistent scorer and is as likely to put up 30 as he is 10 in any given night. Look at his game logs on espn, its riddled with inconsistency.
  
  If you want to argue that he has a great court sense or whatever, and you're right, I haven't watched him enough to get a sense of what he can do. But the question needs to be asked, have you watched anyone else besides Duke?
• RiverRat13

  I'd love to have Jon Scheyer on my team.
• swamisez

  

  Scheyer has 10 of Duke's 23 points.
  10 points in a game where the two teams have combined to score 35 is pretty good.
• reclegend22

  

  He didn't shoot particularly well starting off against the Zags, but he quickly rose to the challenge.
  
  Jon Scheyer finished with 20 PTS, 8 ASSTS, 5 REBS and 2 STLS in Duke's 76-41 thumping of number 15 Gonzaga in Madison Square Garden. This is the same Gonzaga club that won the Maui and had a 15-point lead in the second half at then #2 Michigan State earlier in the year, before dropping the game by four.
  
  That's a big game performance to me.
• reclegend22

  

  Continuing his season of big game performances, Duke's Jon Scheyer named ACC Player of the Week for the second time, after scoring 36 early last week against Gardner Webb and then nailing then 15-ranked Gonzaga for 20 more along with eight assists, five boards and two steals.
  
  This is Scheyer's second ACC Player of the Week this season. He is now averaging 18.2 PTS, 5.9 ASSTS, 3.9 REBS and 1 STL per game, as well as shooting 42.4% from three.
  
  Earlier in the year, Scheyer led Duke to a win over top 15 UConn in Madison Square Garden with 20 PTS, 5 ASSTS, 5 REBS, and 3 STLS. He is scoring at a 19.5 clip and dishing 6.5 assists, grabbing 5 rebounds and swiping 2.5 balls in games against ranked opponents this season (UConn and Gonzaga -- both games that were on ESPN in the Garden and hyped up big time).
  
  Go Duke!
  
  http://www.goduke.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=22724&SPID=1845&DB_OEM_ID=4200&ATCLID=204860787
• reclegend22

  

  What do we have here .... Jon Scheyer showing up on one of Draft Express's latest mock NBA drafts (link below). Albeit in the second round, but he's there. As I've said for a long time, Scheyer's natural basketball instincts -- and his ability to shoot the ball -- will account for a lot down the road in terms of his professional basketball career. And he will have a professional basketball career.
  
  Whether that's in the NBA or overseas, that's yet to be determined. But with his instincts and desire to work, he'll find success wherever he ends up. Maybe not all-star success, but success nonetheless.
  
  My theories on Jon's ability to grab a spot in the second round of next summer's NBA draft: he'll have to, obviously, keep up the outstanding numbers I mentioned above, and walk home with All-American honors of some sort. Which is certainly not out of the question.
  
  http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2010/
• Prescott

  Interesting take on Scheyer.
  
  Defensively, Scheyer’s savvy and anticipation help him make an impact on the college level, but aren’t as advantageous from a NBA perspective. Already showing a lack of lateral quickness against lesser competition, Scheyer doesn’t project as a good defender on the next level. Showing excellent fundamentals, a high effort level, and outstanding awareness in the passing lanes, the young guard’s lack of physical strength and foot speed will likely make him a target in isolation situations and force his teammates to compensate for his shortcomings should he make it to the NBA.
  
  It is hard to discount the basketball IQ and winning mentality Scheyer has displayed during his time at Duke, but his poor shooting percentage, lack of physical tools, and defensive ability will require him to have a big senior season to cement himself as an NBA prospect
  
  http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jon-Scheyer-1043/