Wisconsin at Ohio State 2/26...
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Prescott
You forgot to mention they were down 20 at home to the powerful N.C.State Wolfpack before the refs intervened. The dukies are primed and ready....So let me get this straight. Your Blue Devils, who less than two weeks ago, were BEAT at HOME by Miami (who??), and who needed overtime to beat VaTech(they have a bball team?) at home, are primed for a deep run? Ya, ok, I got it now. lmao. -
LJ
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se-alum
Sully will be a lottery pick. He won't be a back to the basket player in the NBA. I see him as more of a pick and pop big. -
vball10set
:thumbup:LJ;1099090 wrote:RRN is gone -
Prescott
If you are an NBA GM why would think Sullinger can pick and pop if he hasn't shown that skill set at the high school or college level?Sully will be a lottery pick. He won't be a back to the basket player in the NBA. I see him as more of a pick and pop big. -
se-alum
He had a nice face up game in HS, and he's shooting .39% from 3 this year. If Amir Williams would've been ready to play center this year, you would've saw Sully being a pick and pop guy. He has a nice shot, and will make a very nice living in the NBA from 15-18ft away from the basket.Prescott;1099170 wrote:If you are an NBA GM why would think Sullinger can pick and pop if he hasn't shown that skill set at the high school or college level? -
Prescott
I saw play 4 or 5 times in HS, including the epic loss to Gahanna at the Barn, and I didn't see a consistent face up game.He had a nice face up game in HS,
Pretty small sample, although I agree he has a nice looking shot.39% from 3 this year.
If's don't matter. What we know is that Sullinger has not shown a consistent face up game.If Amir Williams would've been ready to play center this year, you would've saw Sully being a pick and pop
Time will tell how effective he will be in the NBA. I agree he will get a shot.will make a very nice living in the NBA from 15-18ft away from the basket. -
Laley23
The better question is, if your an NBA GM who thinks he will be a nice pick and pop guy from 15-18 feet...why waste a lottery pick on him? -
centralbucksfan
Who cares about HS. But you do realize he was pretty much the #1 recruit in the country, don't you?Prescott;1099389 wrote:I saw play 4 or 5 times in HS, including the epic loss to Gahanna at the Barn, and I didn't see a consistent face up game.
Pretty small sample, although I agree he has a nice looking shot.
If's don't matter. What we know is that Sullinger has not shown a consistent face up game.
Time will tell how effective he will be in the NBA. I agree he will get a shot.
Not shown a consistant face up game? Has he had the opportunity to do so? Rarely.
Get a shot? lol Ok...I guess now i am just hoping he will get drafted. -
centralbucksfan
I think when you have the ability and combination to post and pick and pop, with a 6'9", 270lb frame, thats a pretty good combination. As we all know, the NBA is about potential. Its there.Laley23;1099396 wrote:The better question is, if your an NBA GM who thinks he will be a nice pick and pop guy from 15-18 feet...why waste a lottery pick on him? -
Laley23
I dont see much of a post up game (in terms of NBA). His shot is good enough for the NBA. His defense is not, yet. I just wouldnt take a guy in the top 10 if all I expected is a pick and pop game. He isnt quick/athletic enough to run the floor and doesnt have a versatile enough offensive game. I just havent seen enough moves, back to the basket or otherwise, to take him that high. I also dont buy for a second that he is 6-9.centralbucksfan;1099461 wrote:I think when you have the ability and combination to post and pick and pop, with a 6'9", 270lb frame, thats a pretty good combination. As we all know, the NBA is about potential. Its there. -
centralbucksfan
Defense in the NBA? Do you really think they give a rats ass about that? LOL Ask Gene Keady what he thought about defense in the NBA when he assisted.Laley23;1099494 wrote:I dont see much of a post up game (in terms of NBA). His shot is good enough for the NBA. His defense is not, yet. I just wouldnt take a guy in the top 10 if all I expected is a pick and pop game. He isnt quick/athletic enough to run the floor and doesnt have a versatile enough offensive game. I just havent seen enough moves, back to the basket or otherwise, to take him that high. I also dont buy for a second that he is 6-9.
If Sully isn't 6'9", then Thomas is lucky to be 6'5". You listed Thomas at 6'9" a couple days ago. I go to every game, when they stand next to eachother, there is a significant difference in height. -
Laley23
Yeah, I had Thomas' height way wrong. Maybe Sulinger is 6-9. But he plays way below the rim if he is. Derrick Nix is listed at 6-9, which I dont buy either. He and Sully looked pretty equal when I saw them. Zeller is 6-11, and that I do believe. So I will see how much taller he is than Nix. That isnt really the issue though.centralbucksfan;1099509 wrote:Defense in the NBA? Do you really think they give a rats ass about that? LOL Ask Gene Keady what he thought about defense in the NBA when he assisted.
If Sully isn't 6'9", then Thomas is lucky to be 6'5". You listed Thomas at 6'9" a couple days ago. I go to every game, when they stand next to eachother, there is a significant difference in height.
BTW, yes, the NBA cares about defense. Not so much that they wouldnt take a guy. But it is certainly something they look at. No defense in the NBA is the biggest misnomer in basketball. It isnt like they go all out all game, like in college. But they definitely play much, much better defense than is given credit. A college team would have a very tough time scoring on NBA players giving the effort on D they give every night.
Either way, you pointed out his height. Thats all you took from my post? The NBA is played at about 11 feet in the lane. Sullinger cant get there, and never will be able to. -
SportsAndLady
Anyone who says no one plays D in the NBA simply doesn't watch the NBA or just watches one game a year--the all-star game -
Laley23
This. They play defense. Offense is just too good much of the time. But you arent playing much of the 4th quarter if you cant play defense.SportsAndLady;1099522 wrote:Anyone who says no one plays D in the NBA simply doesn't watch the NBA or just watches one game a year--the all-star game -
centralbucksfan
Can't get there and NEVER will? You talk as if you KNOW for certain and guys like Sullinger, ability and athleticism wise, have never been successful in the NBA? Come on, ur smarter than that.Laley23;1099517 wrote:Yeah, I had Thomas' height way wrong. Maybe Sulinger is 6-9. But he plays way below the rim if he is. Derrick Nix is listed at 6-9, which I dont buy either. He and Sully looked pretty equal when I saw them. Zeller is 6-11, and that I do believe. So I will see how much taller he is than Nix. That isnt really the issue though.
BTW, yes, the NBA cares about defense. Not so much that they wouldnt take a guy. But it is certainly something they look at. No defense in the NBA is the biggest misnomer in basketball. It isnt like they go all out all game, like in college. But they definitely play much, much better defense than is given credit. A college team would have a very tough time scoring on NBA players giving the effort on D they give every night.
Either way, you pointed out his height. Thats all you took from my post? The NBA is played at about 11 feet in the lane. Sullinger cant get there, and never will be able to.
No offense, but Sullinger will be a lottery pick. You can read this on EVERY mock site. Teams aren't going to waste millions of dollars unless they think he has the ability to be succuessful.
I am not saying he is going to be great, an all star or whatever. I dont' disagree there are some questions, no doubt there are. As I have stated before. I think HOW GOOD will he be, will be on him in how he goes about working on his game and weaknesses.
As for defense, believe me you, I personally know a former NBA player, have been around practices. Its not that stressed. Do they play it on occasion? Sure. But dont' sit there and brag about it when you yourself just said its not played every game, nite in and nite out for 4 qtrs. lol
And my point was, scouts are NOT there to evaluate how a college player plays defense. -
centralbucksfan
They pick and choose WHEN they play defense.Laley23;1099533 wrote:This. They play defense. Offense is just too good much of the time. But you arent playing much of the 4th quarter if you cant play defense. -
Laley23
End of the game is one of them. Playoffs is one of them. End of the season is one of them.centralbucksfan;1099563 wrote:They pick and choose WHEN they play defense.
I never said it was a big deal. I literally mentioned it in passing in a post. It was about the least important thing and the thing I spent the less amount of time about in that post. You have taken that and said its why I think Sullinger wont be great lol. -
Laley23
I will bet my life Sullinger wont ever play above the rim. I dont think I can think of a single player who didnt play above the rim all his life, then was able to in the NBA. I also never said he wont be successful. I just dont think I would personally draft him in the top 10. I dont see top 10 potential there. He is a safe pick, but if I have a top 10 pick, and am looking to build my team, I dont take a safe pick. I take a guy with more potential, even if the risk is higher. That said, of course he will be a lottery pick. I never said he wouldnt. But I doubt he lives up to that billing.centralbucksfan;1099561 wrote:Can't get there and NEVER will? You talk as if you KNOW for certain and guys like Sullinger, ability and athleticism wise, have never been successful in the NBA? Come on, ur smarter than that.
No offense, but Sullinger will be a lottery pick. You can read this on EVERY mock site. Teams aren't going to waste millions of dollars unless they think he has the ability to be succuessful.
I am not saying he is going to be great, an all star or whatever. I dont' disagree there are some questions, no doubt there are. As I have stated before. I think HOW GOOD will he be, will be on him in how he goes about working on his game and weaknesses.
As for defense, believe me you, I personally know a former NBA player, have been around practices. Its not that stressed. Do they play it on occasion? Sure. But dont' sit there and brag about it when you yourself just said its not played every game, nite in and nite out for 4 qtrs. lol
And my point was, scouts are NOT there to evaluate how a college player plays defense.
He can work on his shooting all he wants, but you cant become a top player by shooting (as a PF). HE can improve his lateral quickness and first step, but it still wont be enough to help him beat guys with moves, imo.
I am not trying to talk down about the kid. He is a great, great player. I mean, I am comparing him in these evaluations with the other top 15 players in college/entering the draft. So it isnt as though I am saying he is average at best. He is a fucking beast. But when I put him against the others, and try to project how good they can be in the NBA, I see him as a middle 1st rounder. -
centralbucksfan
Actually, no I didn't make that the reason. Just pointing out what I know and have seen personally. Simple as that.Laley23;1099590 wrote:End of the game is one of them. Playoffs is one of them. End of the season is one of them.
I never said it was a big deal. I literally mentioned it in passing in a post. It was about the least important thing and the thing I spent the less amount of time about in that post. You have taken that and said its why I think Sullinger wont be great lol. -
centralbucksfan
I must have misunderstood the rim thing. I obviously don't disagree with that. And again, i have questions about how good he will be as well. I am just looking at it from the standpoint that he is a legit 6'9", 270 and if hits the weights even more, will get better. He knows the game well, has a feel for the game with very very good footwork. Quite often goes against taller players and has consistantly done well. As far as drafting....the draft is based on team needs quite often when you get past a number. He may fit in very well with a team. Quite often in the NBA, its about getting into the right system, with the right team in an area of need. Some are lucky, some are not.Laley23;1099594 wrote:I will bet my life Sullinger wont ever play above the rim. I dont think I can think of a single player who didnt play above the rim all his life, then was able to in the NBA. I also never said he wont be successful. I just dont think I would personally draft him in the top 10. I dont see top 10 potential there. He is a safe pick, but if I have a top 10 pick, and am looking to build my team, I dont take a safe pick. I take a guy with more potential, even if the risk is higher. That said, of course he will be a lottery pick. I never said he wouldnt. But I doubt he lives up to that billing.
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Mulva
Sullinger measured 6'10 in shoes (which probably add 1-1.5 inches) with a 7'1 wingspan at the Amare Camp last summer. -
Prescott
First of all, I was responding to SE-ALUM who posted:He had a nice face up game in HS.Who cares about HS. But you do realize he was pretty much the #1 recruit in the country, don't you?
Secondly, who cares if he was the #1 recruit in the country. That has nothing to do with his NBA stock or his face up game.(Sorry about the bold print. I couldn't change it for some reason)
This was already established. Sadly, he doesn't get credit for face up game just because Matta hasn't given him the opportunity to show one.Not shown a consistant face up game? Has he had the opportunity to do so? Rarely. -
Prescott
Totally agree..I am not trying to talk down about the kid. He is a great, great player. I mean, I am comparing him in these evaluations with the other top 15 players in college/entering the draft. So it isnt as though I am saying he is average at best. He is a ****ing beast. But when I put him against the others, and try to project how good they can be in the NBA, I see him as a middle 1st rounder. -
Mulva
I think you overrate the lottery. That's 14 picks every season. Maybe 2-3 of them will be legitimate superstars, another 3-4 might be occasional all-stars. That leaves, at best, 7 guys a year who will likely be role players or worse.Laley23;1099396 wrote:The better question is, if your an NBA GM who thinks he will be a nice pick and pop guy from 15-18 feet...why waste a lottery pick on him?