Who Gets the Illinois Job?

• Azubuike24

  

  centralbucksfan;1093692 wrote:Point being, as verified by even your comments Azu, that it is/could be a top 20 job. To say you could list 20 better, on a consistant basis, was a stretch.

  We agree. However, I think the point is, it takes the RIGHT person to make it an elite job. That's kind of what this debate is. Who is the right guy?
  
  I guess some of the arguments against a Brad Stevens suggestion is that he could actually get a job that is already a top flight job. Similar to like Roy Williams going to UNC. Calipari to UK. Self to Kansas. So, by him taking a job that he would then have to take to that level, might not make him a viable option.
  
  We'll see. This could be a very interesting offseason with some of the jobs that may be open. We could have Connecticut, Illinois and UCLA all open (the latter being unlikely).
• Prescott

  When was the list made?

  12:53 PM on 5/11/2011
  
  
  http://www.lostlettermen.com/college-bball-best-coaching-jobs/
• Mulva

  

  I don't think I'd list Wisconsin as a top 25 job.
  
  I think the top 15 on that list was solid. After that some get a little questionable.
• SportsAndLady

  

  I disagreed with a lot of things on that list.
  
  Illinois isn't a top 15 job, Kansas is 3, not 5.
  
  Ohio State is wayyyyy higher than >20
  
  Purdue is way too high.
• LJ

  

  Kansas is not a better job than UNC, Dook or UK
• SportsAndLady

  

  I like this list a lot better
  
  http://bleacherreport.com/articles/735841-college-basketball-top-15-coaching-jobs-in-the-country#/articles/735841-college-basketball-top-15-coaching-jobs-in-the-country
• SportsAndLady

  

  LJ;1093788 wrote:Kansas is not a better job than UNC, Dook or UK

  UK or UNC, sure.
  
  I'll take em over Duke.
• Laley23

  

  LJ;1093788 wrote:Kansas is not a better job than UNC, Dook or UK

  Meh. It has yet to be proven at certain "power" schools if the job is great or the coach. That is the case with UCONN, Duke, UCLA, Syracuse among others.
  
  Kansas has been successful with multiple coaches, as has UNC, Indiana, Kentucky, MSU, etc.
• Little Danny

  

  I don't necessarily disagree with Prescott's list but I do disagree with the order.
  
  Despite their history (decades ago), UCLA is not a top four job. LA is an NBA town. What's more, the alums are pretty apethetic and the program has funding issues as well as low attendance. Not saying it is not a top 25 program, but I would rank it much lower on the list right now.
  
  UCONN is a questionable top 10 coaching gig We'll see what happens after Calhoun (the only coach who has been successful there) retires. The program is about to be hit with serious academic sanctions. Recruiting on the east coast might take a major shift with Pitt and Syracuse headed to the ACC.
  
  Maryland's not a top 13 coaching job. anymore for the reasons you cited. The athletic department has about as much debt as Greece.
  
  Illinois is a bordeline top 25 coaching job.
• LJ

  

  Laley23;1093801 wrote:Meh. It has yet to be proven at certain "power" schools if the job is great or the coach. That is the case with UCONN, Duke, UCLA among others.
  
  Kansas has been successful with multiple coaches, as has UNC, Indiana, Kentucky, MSU, etc.

  While they didn't win a championship, Duke made multiple final fours and champsionship games before K.
• Laley23

  

  LJ;1093835 wrote:While they didn't win a championship, Duke made multiple final fours and championship games before K.

  All the ones in my post have had at least 2 coaches win a national title with them. The others have only had 1, with the exception of UCLA. They have 10 with Wooden and 1 with Harrik. But for the most part, UCLA has been pretty bad sans the wooden era and a few runs here and there.
  
  Not saying Duke was a nothing, but Kansas has proven it can have a ton of success. Allen, Larry Brown, Roy Williams (of course he never won lol), and Bill Self. Thats a lot more telling than a guy who has pretty much all of Dukes history in his tenure.
• Prescott

  1. UK
  2. UNC
  3. Kansas
  
  These three have succeeded over many years with coaching changes. That seperates them , IMO.
• SportsAndLady

  

  Prescott;1094294 wrote:1. UK
  2. UNC
  3. Kansas
  
  These three have succeeded over many years with coaching changes. That seperates them , IMO.

  Agreed.
• LJ

  

  Prescott;1094294 wrote:1. UK
  2. UNC
  3. Kansas
  
  These three have succeeded over many years with coaching changes. That seperates them , IMO.

  
  Dook has had 3 coaches take them to final fours and championship games in the past 50 years. How have they not suceeded over the years with changes?
  
  I think as it stands today, with what the program has become over the past 50 years, Dook is the 3rd best job out there.
• Laley23

  

  LJ;1094309 wrote:Dook has had 3 coaches take them to final fours and championship games in the past 50 years. How have they not suceeded over the years with changes?
  
  I think as it stands today, with what the program has become over the past 50 years, Dook is the 3rd best job out there.

  Championships man. You think duke is playing for final fours?
  
  Roy Williams was vilified kind of in Kansas cause he couldn't win a title. They matter at the big schools. Duke is K, no matter what you try to say. The others have had multiple coaches win a title. It proves the program kind of stands above the coach.
• LJ

  

  Laley23;1094363 wrote:Championships man. You think duke is playing for final fours?
  
  Roy Williams was vilified kind of in Kansas cause he couldn't win a title. They matter at the big schools. Duke is K, no matter what you try to say. The others have had multiple coaches win a title. It proves the program kind of stands above the coach.

  
  I highly disagree. Dook was a solid program before K. He took them to the next level. 30 years of elite success and 50 years of success will not go away overnight.
• Laley23

  

  LJ;1094366 wrote:I highly disagree. Dook was a solid program before K. He took them to the next level. 30 years of elite success and 50 years of success will not go away overnight.

  Than why is it coach k court, kville etc. Those aren't solid examples, but they help.
  
  Kansas was good enough before that they have the field house after Phog Allen. Iu has their court named after branch McCracken (even though vitale is an idiot and preaches
  Every game to have it names the bobby knight court lol). Unc was the dean dome and now Williams has taken over. They sucked till they got him there.
  
  Then a school like duke, Syracuse, who has some history but is largely boeheim recently named their court after him.
  
  
  Duke is a great job, but I'm not sure what you see that makes it better than Kansas. They have slightly better recent success, that's about it.
• Prescott

  If you were a coach would you want to succeed Self, Williams, or k???
• wildcats20

  

  Don't tell Dook fans they were successful before K arrived.
• wildcats20

  

  Prescott;1094532 wrote:If you were a coach would you want to succeed Self, Williams, or k???

  Roy.
• swamisez

  

  I would rank the best jobs by the amount of money that is brought in by the program
  
  Louisville
  Duke
  UNC
  Syracuse
  Arizona
  Ohio State
  Syracuse
  Wisconsin
  Illinois
  Indiana
  Arkansas
  Michigan State
  
  Kansas isn't even in the top 50 of money making programs. That is hard to believe. Also was stunned at Louisville being the top basketball program financially.
• LJ

  

  swamisez;1094554 wrote:I would rank the best jobs by the amount of money that is brought in by the program
  
  Louisville
  Duke
  UNC
  Syracuse
  Arizona
  Ohio State
  Syracuse
  Wisconsin
  Illinois
  Indiana
  Arkansas
  Michigan State
  
  Kansas isn't even in the top 50 of money making programs. That is hard to believe. Also was stunned at Louisville being the top basketball program financially.

  To me it is financial support, the ability of the program to recruit itself and fan support and ability to have control over the program. Those would make up about 80% of what goes into being a "top job". Home recruiting base and things like that make up the other 20%
• Prescott

  This is a little dated(2010)
  
  Forbes 20 Most Valuable College Basketball Teams
  
  1. North Carolina Tar Heels Team Value: $29.0 million Profit: $17.7 million Head Coach: Roy Williams Conference: ACC Previous Value Rank: 1 Durham-Chapel Hill, N.C., Metro Population: 489,762 North Carolina's sixth national championship campaign last year was the most profitable single season by any team since Forbes started tracking college basketball finances with the 2006-07 season.
  
  2. Kentucky Wildcats Team Value: $26.2 million Profit: $16.1 million Head Coach: John Calipari Conference: SEC Previous Value Rank: 2 Lexington, Ky., Metro Population: 453,424 The Wildcats' passionate fan base has kept the team among the wealthiest in college basketball, despite playing in outdated Rupp Arena (no club seats or luxury suites), with an onerous lease (the team gets only $415,000 in lieu of any parking, concession and advertising revenue).
  
  3. Louisville Cardinals Team Value: $26.0 million Profit: $16.9 million Head Coach: Rick Pitino Conference: Big East Previous Value Rank: 3 Louisville, Ky., Metro Population: 1,244,696 With a state-of-the-art waterfront arena set to open next season, the Cardinals are all but assured of regaining the title of college basketball's most profitable team, a distinction it held for the 2006-07 and 2007-08 seasons.
  
  4. Kansas Jayhawks Team Value: $24.0 million Profit: $15.2 million Head Coach: Bill Self Conference: Big 12 Previous Value Rank: 5 Lawrence, Kan., Metro Population: 114,748 The Jayhawks have played in more NCAA tournament games over the last six years than rivals Kansas State, Oklahoma State and Missouri combined.
  
  5. Illinois Fighting Illini Team Value: $20.8 million Profit: $13.9 million Head Coach: Bruce Weber Conference: Big Ten Previous Value Rank: 7 Champaign-Urbana, Ill., Metro Population: 224,191 By keeping basketball expenses at a paltry $4.8 million (second lowest of any team in a major conference to appear on our list), the Fighting Illini boosted their profit by 9% last year.
  
  6. Indiana Hoosiers Team Value: $20.5 million Profit: $14.2 million Head Coach: Tom Crean Conference: Big Ten Previous Value Rank: 4 Bloomington, Ind., Metro Population: 183,944 Hoosiers hysteria! Season ticket holders "donated" $6 million to the team's booster club last year, just for the right to continue buying tickets.
  
  7. Ohio State Buckeyes Team Value: $18.3 million Profit: $11.4 million Head Coach: Thad Matta Conference: Big Ten Previous Value Rank: 10 Columbus, Ohio, Metro Population: 1,773,120 Despite its reputation as a gridiron powerhouse, the Buckeyes actually rank higher in Forbes' basketball valuations than football, where the team is the eighth most valuable in the nation.
  
  8. Syracuse Orange Team Value: $17.0 million Profit: $9.0 million Head Coach: Jim Boeheim Conference: Big East Previous Value Rank: 12 Syracuse, N.Y., Metro Population: 643,794 The Orange are one of only two teams in college basketball (along with Kentucky) to have drawn an average of 20,000 fans per game over each of the last eight seasons.
  
  9. UCLA Bruins Team Value: $16.8 million Profit: $8.7 million Head Coach: Ben Howland Conference: Pac-10 Previous Value Rank: 13 Los Angeles County, Calif., Population: 9,862,049 Over the last five seasons, the Bruins trail only North Carolina in number of NCAA tournament games played, earning millions of dollars for fellow Pac-10 Conference member-schools.
  
  10. Arizona Wildcats Team Value: $16.6 million Profit: $8.5 million Head Coach: Sean Miller Conference: Pac-10 Previous Value Rank: 6 Tucson, Ariz., Metro Population: 1,012,018 After finishing this season with a 16-15 record, Arizona was left out of the NCAA tournament for the first time since 1984.
  
  11. Duke Blue Devils Team Value: $16.4 million Profit: $5.6 million Head Coach: Mike Krzyzewski Conference: ACC Previous Value Rank: 8 Durham-Chapel Hill, N.C., Metro Population: 489,762 The Durham Convention & Visitors Bureau estimates total spending by out-of-county visitors to Duke home games topped $11.4 million last season.
  
  12. Wisconsin Badgers Team Value: $16.3 million Profit: $10.1 million Head Coach: Bo Ryan Conference: Big Ten Previous Value Rank: 11 Madison, Wisc., Metro Population: 561,505 The Badgers have reached the NCAA tournament for 12 straight years after qualifying only three times in the previous 59 seasons.
  
  13. Maryland Terrapins Team Value: $15.5 million Profit: $9.5 million Head Coach: Gary Williams Conference: ACC Previous Value Rank: 9 Washington, D.C., Metro Population: 4,181,729 The Terrapins averaged close to 500 more fans per game than the nearby Washington Wizards of the NBA last season.
  
  14. Arkansas Razorbacks Team Value: $14.6 million Profit: $10.0 million Head Coach: John Pelphrey Conference: SEC Previous Value Rank: 15 Fayetteville, Ark., Metro Population: 443,976 The Razorbacks, who topped the SEC West Division in attendance for the 16th straight year last season, drew more than 16,000 fans per game to Bud Walton Arena.
  
  15. Xavier Musketeers Team Value: $14.4 million Profit: $9.1 million Head Coach: Chris Mack Conference: Atlantic 10 Previous Value Rank: 17 Cincinnati, Ohio, Metro Population: 2,155,137 Xavier, which generated $4.2 million from seat licenses last year, is the most valuable team from a non-major conference and one of only four teams whose value rank has increased for two consecutive seasons (the others: Kansas, Syracuse and Arkansas).
  
  16. Tennessee Volunteers Team Value: $14.1 million Profit: $8.6 million Head Coach: Bruce Pearl Conference: SEC Previous Value: Not Ranked Knoxville, Tenn., Metro Population: 691,152 The Volunteers generated $4.9 million from ticket sales last year, as well as another $700,000 from contributions required to purchase premium seats at Thompson-Boling Arena.
  
  17. Minnesota Golden Gophers Team Value: $13.5 million Profit: $8.9 million Head Coach: Tubby Smith Conference: Big Ten Previous Value: Not Ranked Minneapolis-Saint Paul, Minn., Metro Population: 3,229,878 As the only Division 1 athletic program in the state, the Gophers' core base of support stretches across one of the largest geographic areas of any college.
  
  18. Pittsburgh Panthers Team Value: $13.2 million Profit: $6.5 million Head Coach: Jamie Dixon Conference: Big East Previous Value Rank: 20 Pittsburgh, Pa., Metro Population: 2,351,192 The Panthers ended last season with school records in total attendance (212,682), average attendance (11,194) and consecutive sellouts (132).
  
  19. Michigan State Spartans Team Value: $13.0 million Profit: $6.6 million Head Coach: Tom Izzo Conference: Big Ten Previous Value Rank: 14 East Lansing, Mich., Metro Population: 454,035 The Spartans made it to their first national championship game in nine years last season, playing before a partial crowd at Detroit's Ford Field.
  
  20. UNLV Runnin' Rebels Team Value: $12.9 million Profit: $8.3 million Head Coach: Lon Kruger Conference: Mountain West Previous Value Rank: 16 Las Vegas, Nev., Metro Population: 1,865,746 Playing in America's largest metro area without a major league sports team, the Runnin' Rebels attract some of Las Vegas' highest rollers to games at the Thomas & Mack Center.
  
  http://iuhoosiers.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/031910aaa.html
  
  
  
• SportsAndLady

  

  swamisez;1094554 wrote:I would rank the best jobs by the amount of money that is brought in by the program
  
  Louisville
  Duke
  UNC
  Syracuse
  Arizona
  Ohio State
  Syracuse
  Wisconsin
  Illinois
  Indiana
  Arkansas
  Michigan State
  
  Kansas isn't even in the top 50 of money making programs. That is hard to believe. Also was stunned at Louisville being the top basketball program financially.

  Lol you serious?
  
  Kansas I believe just 4 or 5 years ago brought in more basketball money than any other program in the country. They are currently 4th, as Prescott pointed out in the Forbes article.
  
  They aren't top 50 in revenue overall because their football program is lousy, but basketball is so profitable it brings them towards the top half of the conference (even with mizzou, A&M, and Colorado in the conf.) in overall revenue.
• reclegend22

  

  That Forbes list is indeed outdated, as prescott alluded to.
  
  Duke is the No. 1 revenue-producing basketball program in the country, and also spends more money on basketball than any other program. By more than any other program, that means more than UK, more than UNC and more than Kansas. This is just one of the plethora of reasons why Duke is a top three or four job. Period. UK, Duke, Carolina and Kansas, I agree, are the four most attractive positions in the country. These are the giants of sport at this time.