Ohio State at Michigan,2/18...
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Footwedge
I don't see that Burke's offensive stats are any better than Craft's. FT%...same.....FG% Craft is significantly better. Steals? Craft. Total points? Burke...but Burke plays 5 minutes more per game. Don't know much about Burke's defense, but I doubt that he's as good as Craft. So, in a nutshell, as a Buckeye, Burke would have his ass planted on the pine, sharing minutes with Scott.SportsAndLady;1090488 wrote:Craft is a "very good starting PG"? Really?
McDoanlds all americans flop all the time..Josh Selby, Xavier Henry..they weren't very good at KU.
Just because they had a PG and a highly ranked PG recruit doesn't mean you just neglect a hometown kid with massive potential. But if you do, fine..it happens everywhere. Coaches miss on players. It's whatever. But defending the coach for not doing his job? lol that's delusional at it's finest. That's getting too much scarlet colored jizz in your eyes. Say it with me.."Ohio State screwed up on that one" come on, you can do it -
Laley23
Just one mans opinion. But I know he is the most respected color/analyst in college bball by many, including myself, as well as others on here.
Jay Bilas @JayBilas The more I watch, it's seems clear I haven't seen a better freshman point guard than Michigan's Trey Burke. He's a special player. Strong. -
SportsAndLady
He'd be buried on OSU's bench!!!Laley23;1090629 wrote:Just one mans opinion. But I know he is the most respected color/analyst in college bball by many, including myself, as well as others on here.
Jay Bilas @JayBilas The more I watch, it's seems clear I haven't seen a better freshman point guard than Michigan's Trey Burke. He's a special player. Strong.
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SportsAndLady
And I hope he means THIS year, not ever..right?
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Laley23
There is no way he means ever.SportsAndLady;1090635 wrote:And I hope he means THIS year, not ever..right?
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chippy10craft is overrated, taking the scarlet and gray glasses off. if bucks had trey burke theyd be a legitmate top 2 team and he would start for sure.
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j_crazy
chippy10;1090649 wrote:craft is overrated, taking the scarlet and gray glasses off. if bucks had trey burke theyd be a legitmate top 2 team and he would start for sure.
Granted I'm not an osu bball fan, but ive thought craft was overrated for awhile. -
centralbucksfan
LMAO..ya, EVER!! Put the bottle down!SportsAndLady;1090635 wrote:And I hope he means THIS year, not ever..right? -
SportsAndLady
Lol GTFOOH u old weird fuckcentralbucksfan;1090704 wrote:LMAO..ya, EVER!! Put the bottle down! -
Footwedge
I guess shooting 43% from the field and 71% from the line makes one a stud these days. Must be a weak class for frosh pg'sLaley23;1090629 wrote:Just one mans opinion. But I know he is the most respected color/analyst in college bball by many, including myself, as well as others on here.
Jay Bilas @JayBilas The more I watch, it's seems clear I haven't seen a better freshman point guard than Michigan's Trey Burke. He's a special player. Strong. -
Laley23
Or people are able to beyond numbers? You know, like use what they see on the court as judgement.Footwedge;1090734 wrote:I guess shooting 43% from the field and 71% from the line makes one a stud these days. Must be a weak class for frosh pg's -
WebFire
I'm guessing Craft's shots are a bit more selective and safe.Footwedge;1090734 wrote:I guess shooting 43% from the field and 71% from the line makes one a stud these days. Must be a weak class for frosh pg's -
LJ
I mean it's not like Burke has attempted over 170 shots more than Craft has or anything :laugh:WebFire;1090779 wrote:I'm guessing Craft's shots are a bit more selective and safe. -
0311sdpSelf isn't even a top 5 coach in the B1G. I'll admit Matta missed on Burke looks like he'll be a great one. As for Craft, he is a great defender beyond that he is very average. I do agree with the poster who said Burke would not be playing at OSU though, as good as he is he would never have gotten a chance. Look at all the talent OSU has sitting on its bench and no matter how poorly anyone plays they never get in the game. This is Mattas big weakness as a coach, he does not develop a bench, if you don't start you don't play. I can't help but think that high school players will see this and it will hurt OSU's future recruiting. L.Smith has played well a couple games this year but as I said a couple months ago you Can't play both him and Craft at the same time because it's 3 against 5 on the offensive end. Buford hasn't amounted to much since that awful Kentucky game and Sullinger isn't as good as he was before he hurt his back. Thomas is Thomas, not much defense and inconsistant offense although he was pretty damn good in this game. At least it looks like Matta is finally giving up on Ravenel. Sam Thompson is ok, I'd like to see Ross play some, Williams is so freakin lazy but still is better than Ravenel, and what happened to Siebert and Weatherspoon? (no minutes at all lately) This team does appear to be falling apart, it will be interesting to see if Matta can pull things back together. They never look like they are playing hard, always coasting and just trying to stay close and make one run and win the game. With the athletes on this team they should never walk the ball up the court like they do most of the time , get your lazy asses moving and get some easy scores. They have been a disappointment this season so far and I'm afraid the worst is yet to come.
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believer
Uh oh....wait for it. Enter centralbucksfan to explain how stupid you are because Matta does a fine job of using his bench.0311sdp;1090847 wrote:I do agree with the poster who said Burke would not be playing at OSU though, as good as he is he would never have gotten a chance. Look at all the talent OSU has sitting on its bench and no matter how poorly anyone plays they never get in the game. This is Mattas big weakness as a coach, he does not develop a bench, if you don't start you don't play.
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thedynasty1998
The lack of a bench has always been Matta's weakness. People think OSU has depth this year when you look at minutes played, but in big games Matta has little confidence in anyone other than his top 5. It's frustrating at times and is hard to explain.
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ricola
Though I would guess that most players that are recruited to play at tOSU do not come in thinking they will be bench players. Most (big time h.s. players/recruits) come in expecting they will be starting--if not as a freshman, soon after. -
WebFire[LEFT]Freshman of the Week: Trey Burke, Michigan, G – 5-11 – Columbus, Ohio – Northland[/LEFT]
- Scored 17 points and added five assists and two rebounds to lead No. 17/19 Michigan to a 56-51 win over No. 6/6 Ohio State
- Led the Wolverines in scoring in the team’s third win over a top-10 opponent this season
- Earns his fifth Freshman of the Week award
- Last Michigan Freshman of the Week: Trey Burke (Jan. 23, 2012)
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SportsAndLady
This has gotta be one of the worst posts I've ever seen on here lol and that's saying something.0311sdp;1090847 wrote:Self isn't even a top 5 coach in the B1G. I'll admit Matta missed on Burke looks like he'll be a great one. As for Craft, he is a great defender beyond that he is very average. I do agree with the poster who said Burke would not be playing at OSU though, as good as he is he would never have gotten a chance. Look at all the talent OSU has sitting on its bench and no matter how poorly anyone plays they never get in the game. This is Mattas big weakness as a coach, he does not develop a bench, if you don't start you don't play. I can't help but think that high school players will see this and it will hurt OSU's future recruiting. L.Smith has played well a couple games this year but as I said a couple months ago you Can't play both him and Craft at the same time because it's 3 against 5 on the offensive end. Buford hasn't amounted to much since that awful Kentucky game and Sullinger isn't as good as he was before he hurt his back. Thomas is Thomas, not much defense and inconsistant offense although he was pretty damn good in this game. At least it looks like Matta is finally giving up on Ravenel. Sam Thompson is ok, I'd like to see Ross play some, Williams is so freakin lazy but still is better than Ravenel, and what happened to Siebert and Weatherspoon? (no minutes at all lately) This team does appear to be falling apart, it will be interesting to see if Matta can pull things back together. They never look like they are playing hard, always coasting and just trying to stay close and make one run and win the game. With the athletes on this team they should never walk the ball up the court like they do most of the time , get your lazy asses moving and get some easy scores. They have been a disappointment this season so far and I'm afraid the worst is yet to come.
It's 50% the quality (or lack thereof) of the post, and 50% you not being able to hit the fucking enter key and start a new paragraph.
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Me and YouOSU will lose at least 2 more games if not 3 (BIG tourney) and get the #3 seed in the tourney in the midwest bracket behind Missouri and the loser of the BIG tourney game. If MSU wins the tourney they will be a #1 seed.
The only way they get a #2 seed it to win the tourney -
vball10set
If they only lose one more game they'll get the #2 seed...the only way they drop below that is if they do indeed lose at least two more games.Me and You;1091146 wrote:OSU will lose at least 2 more games if not 3 (BIG tourney) and get the #3 seed in the tourney in the midwest bracket behind Missouri and the loser of the BIG tourney game. If MSU wins the tourney they will be a #1 seed.
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mallymal614
Sometimes I wonder did Thad forget what got him to the National Championship game in 2007? Thad use to go very deep with his bench. The 2005-06 season you had guys like Ron Lewis, Ivan Harris, Matt Terwilliger, and Sylvester Mayes coming off a bench for a team that won the Big Ten outright and didn't have a single NBA player on it. The next season, when Oden and company came, he went an average of 9 deep again with Othello Hunter, Daequan Cook, David Lighty, and Terwilliger that 2007 season.thedynasty1998;1090920 wrote:The lack of a bench has always been Matta's weakness. People think OSU has depth this year when you look at minutes played, but in big games Matta has little confidence in anyone other than his top 5. It's frustrating at times and is hard to explain.
I'd like to see more of Scott and Amir Williams because I think both bring something that is lacking.
I think many wonder why lately Thad has gone to a shorter bench. Here is my guess. It goes back to the 2009-10 season when we had Evan Turner. Up until then Thad still used his bench a lot but only this time we didn't have the same quality players. That year we went to a very good West Virginia team (Made the Final Four) and we led throughout the game but lost the lead late. Some of the guys off the bench made some errors that helped West Virginia get back into it.
The next game we had Minnesota at home. And we ended up destroying them. But Thad only played 6 players. The starting 5 and Kyle Madsen. With the success of that we went with a 6 man rotation pretty much the rest of year. And since then it appears he been stuck on it. But I wish he knew that we no longer have to do that anymore. We don't have The P.J. Hills, Jermie Simmons, and Kyle Madsens anymore. Now the bench consist of 2 Mcdonalds All-Americans and a recruit who was once ranked the #1 high school player in the entire country (Laquinton Ross). Even J.D. Weatherspoon and Jordan Sibert could be starting at numerous other D1 schools. Can someone tell me if Matt Terwilliger, Kyle Madsen, P.J. Hill, Othello Hunter, B.J. Mullens, and Jermie Simmons is better than what we have on the bench now? And how can we develop all americans if they aren't getting real game actions? Just food for thought. I think it's time for Thad to get back to what brought him success. If it's not broke, then don't fix it. -
gerb131
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Footwedge
Reps. Spot on.0311sdp;1090847 wrote:Self isn't even a top 5 coach in the B1G. I'll admit Matta missed on Burke looks like he'll be a great one. As for Craft, he is a great defender beyond that he is very average. I do agree with the poster who said Burke would not be playing at OSU though, as good as he is he would never have gotten a chance. Look at all the talent OSU has sitting on its bench and no matter how poorly anyone plays they never get in the game. This is Mattas big weakness as a coach, he does not develop a bench, if you don't start you don't play. I can't help but think that high school players will see this and it will hurt OSU's future recruiting. L.Smith has played well a couple games this year but as I said a couple months ago you Can't play both him and Craft at the same time because it's 3 against 5 on the offensive end. Buford hasn't amounted to much since that awful Kentucky game and Sullinger isn't as good as he was before he hurt his back. Thomas is Thomas, not much defense and inconsistant offense although he was pretty damn good in this game. At least it looks like Matta is finally giving up on Ravenel. Sam Thompson is ok, I'd like to see Ross play some, Williams is so freakin lazy but still is better than Ravenel, and what happened to Siebert and Weatherspoon? (no minutes at all lately) This team does appear to be falling apart, it will be interesting to see if Matta can pull things back together. They never look like they are playing hard, always coasting and just trying to stay close and make one run and win the game. With the athletes on this team they should never walk the ball up the court like they do most of the time , get your lazy asses moving and get some easy scores. They have been a disappointment this season so far and I'm afraid the worst is yet to come.