Pats OC O'Brien set to take Penn State Job?

• Falcons53

  It is no secret that I am Penn State guy, so I may be a bit bias, but Penn State was a major player and among the elites not that long ago. The location of the campus is not the reason they slipped. The big fish would have gone after this job before the fallout. They are #7 on the all-time wins list, just 4 behind Ohio State and they played 9 less games all-time (1 season). Before any of the trolls jump on the "weak schedule" band wagon, please actually look at who they played through the years.
  
  The location of the campus will not and has not kept top level talent away. Penn State can be back at the top. I am not certain this is the guy, but as was stated, he must guide through the current situation.
• Little Danny

  

  georgemc80;1041248 wrote:This guy is there to guide the ship through the rough seas ahead. His job is to keep the program clean, graduate his players, rebuild trust in the community, be a great PR mouthpiece and win a 4-7 games a year.

  Yep. He is the buffer coach so the next big name doesn't have to be the "guy who replaced the guy".
  
  Btw, I dig your avatar.
• carmen

  Falcons53;1040989 wrote:Penn State will never be as bad as Minnesota. I thought it was an odd hire, but in reality, he may be the bridge hire. Follow Paterno, deal with the craptastic situation there, but probably won't win enough games to keep people happy. In 3-5 years when the school has rebounded, they will still have a great fan base, facilities to match anyone and the money will still be there. Then they will get a big fish that everyone had hoped for now. No big fish were going to take this career killer right now. O'brien will be back in the NFL as an OC after that, but not a HC.

  You watch and see if they dont become an Minn type team for awhile. The ship done sunk.
• Big Gain

  Falcons53;1040998 wrote:Where do the outstanding defensive coaches go from here? The offensive guys were not very good, so the OC will retire, Jay will get a smaller school offer to coach something, but not HC.
  
  Where does one of the best DCs in the country end up, Tom Bradley?
  
  Larry Johnson had several offers as a DC around the country in the last few years. He stayed at PSU hoping Bradley would get the HC and he would be DC. He also interviewed for the HC spot (mainly for interview process experience). Where will he land?
  
  Ron Vanderlinden has done a great job with the Penn State Linebackers. He was HC at Maryland previously and was the DC at Northwestern during their Big 10 Championship run. He should be highly sought as well.
  
  Kermit Buggs is the least known of the defensive staff, but has done a nice job with the secondary (until the Houston game). He will land somewhere.
  
  Any of these guys retained? I don't believe they will stay, especially Bradley and Johnson. They make try to keep Johnson as DC, but no way Bradley stays. This isn't like Fickell who was thrust into the Interim spot and then retained.
  
  Thoughts?

  
  Bradley and Johnson will retire OR get a job at a desperate DivII program. NO ONE at a mediocre of better school will hire anyone from the Paterno tree. They will be tainted for life.
  
  O'Brien's search for qualified coordinators and assistant coaches will be even more problematic. Only the desperate will want Penn State on a resume. It will be easier to recruit players to Penn State than coaches.
• bo shemmy3337

  I hold 0 judgement until I see teams on the field. RR looked like a horrible hire to some and a good hire to others and he sucked, Hoke was a guy some did not want and they won 11 games this year. See what the guy does before making judgments about a horrible hire IMO. Most schools never get the number one choice and sometimes it works out just fine. If I recall Jim tressel was not OSU's first choice either.
• LJ

  

  bo shemmy3337;1041495 wrote: If I recall Jim tressel was not OSU fans' first choice either.

  
  FIFY
• vball10set

  bo shemmy3337;1041495 wrote:I hold 0 judgement until I see teams on the field. RR looked like a horrible hire to some and a good hire to others and he sucked, Hoke was a guy some did not want and they won 11 games this year. See what the guy does before making judgments about a horrible hire IMO. Most schools never get the number one choice and sometimes it works out just fine. If I recall Jim tressel was not OSU's first choice either.

  actually, tsun won 10 games this year, with the bowl game given to them...now please, go away
• DeyDurkie5

  

  Penn State just got exposed for basically allowing a child fucking old weird douche to rape kids and then walk the hallways of penn state. I would say no one gives a shit about what former players want. tell them to shut the fuck up and support the team regardless of who is coaching.
  
  what a way to start off a new hire, by saying none of them have your respect. classy!
• believer

  

  Falcons53;1041270 wrote:It is no secret that I am Penn State guy, so I may be a bit bias, but Penn State was a major player and among the elites not that long ago. The location of the campus is not the reason they slipped. The big fish would have gone after this job before the fallout. They are #7 on the all-time wins list, just 4 behind Ohio State and they played 9 less games all-time (1 season). Before any of the trolls jump on the "weak schedule" band wagon, please actually look at who they played through the years.
  
  The location of the campus will not and has not kept top level talent away. Penn State can be back at the top. I am not certain this is the guy, but as was stated, he must guide through the current situation.

  Having lived in State College for 9 years rest assured it's really not a bad place to be. Penn State has a rich tradition, outstanding facilities, a lot of money, located in a football talented state, and a huge fan base that doesn't mind converging on State College on Saturday afternoons.
  
  I think Penn State is bringing in O'Brien simply because he's NOT a big name hire and has basically no ties to Penn State. The administration wants the dust to settle and get the program back on track. And frankly I don't think it will take that long.
• Skyhook79

  

  Big Gain;1041470 wrote:Bradley and Johnson will retire OR get a job at a desperate DivII program. NO ONE at a mediocre of better school will hire anyone from the Paterno tree. They will be tainted for life.
  
  O'Brien's search for qualified coordinators and assistant coaches will be even more problematic. Only the desperate will want Penn State on a resume. It will be easier to recruit players to Penn State than coaches.

  As of today Bradley and Jay Paterno are still on staff at Penn St.
• Falcons53

  Big Gain;1041470 wrote:Bradley and Johnson will retire OR get a job at a desperate DivII program. NO ONE at a mediocre of better school will hire anyone from the Paterno tree. They will be tainted for life.
  
  O'Brien's search for qualified coordinators and assistant coaches will be even more problematic. Only the desperate will want Penn State on a resume. It will be easier to recruit players to Penn State than coaches.

  I have to ask if you really believe that about Johnson and Bradley or if you are just trying to get a rise out of people? I can see the part about asst coaches not jumping at Penn State, but there is nothing to believe that these guys knew or covered anything up, so why would schools not want two of the best defensive coaches in the country?
• Skyhook79

  

  Falcons53;1041605 wrote:I have to ask if you really believe that about Johnson and Bradley or if you are just trying to get a rise out of people? I can see the part about asst coaches not jumping at Penn State, but there is nothing to believe that these guys knew or covered anything up, so why would schools not want two of the best defensive coaches in the country?

  You have to understand that Big Gain doesn't deal with facts, he likes to make things up.
• Big Gain

  Falcons53;1041605 wrote:I have to ask if you really believe that about Johnson and Bradley or if you are just trying to get a rise out of people? I can see the part about asst coaches not jumping at Penn State, but there is nothing to believe that these guys knew or covered anything up, so why would schools not want two of the best defensive coaches in the country?

  I have to ask you if you would hire a coach that MIGHT have known about Jerry Sandusky and his predisposition for little boys? Why do you think Bradley or Johnson won't be coaching at Penn State next year? Ask yourself if Penn State doesn't want them why would ADs risk their job by hiring them when there are dozens of comparable coaches out there that do not know Jerry Sandusky.
  
  Right or wrong, any coach that knew Jerry Sandusky will have an impossible task in finding a job. You have heard of guilt by association, It's a bad precept but it holds a lot of weight none the less.
  
  Why do you think the best D-coordinator in College Football couldn't get ANY job, not even as a high school coach, in the prime of his career?
• Big Gain

  Skyhook79;1041607 wrote:You have to understand that Big Gain doesn't deal with facts, he likes to make things up.

  You have to understand that Skyhook is holding on by a single thread of hope that Jerry The Molester Sandusky will be found innocent and JoPa will once again be the head coach at Penn State.
• said_aouita

  

  Falcons53;1041270 wrote:, but Penn State was a major player and among the elites not that long ago.
  Penn State can be back at the top. .

  I'd rank Penn State 4th, behind tOSU, UofM and Neb, as for desired coaching positions in the B10.
  Penn State is mid-level just within the conference, nowhere near being elite nationally.
• said_aouita

  

  Falcons53;1041270 wrote:, but Penn State was a major player and among the elites not that long ago.
  Penn State can be back at the top. .

  I'd rank Penn State 4th, behind tOSU, UofM and Neb, as for desired coaching positions in the B10. Wisconsin and Michigan State may even be better for the next few years.
  Penn State is mid-level just within the conference, nowhere near being elite nationally.
  
  

  carmen;1041449 wrote:You watch and see if they dont become an Minn type team for awhile. The ship done sunk.

  Minnesota has a cool new stadium but PSU has the fans. Really depends if any of those fans jump ship. Minnesota is like Wisconsin's retarded cousin. Nobody really wants the Gophers in the conference, 'cept them other critters- the Badgers.
• said_aouita

  

  bo shemmy3337;1041495 wrote: If I recall Jim tressel was not OSU's first choice either.

  Did tOSU interview Urban Meyer, when he was still at BGSU?
• Skyhook79

  

  Big Gain;1041663 wrote:I have to ask you if you would hire a coach that MIGHT have known about Jerry Sandusky and his predisposition for little boys? Why do you think Bradley or Johnson won't be coaching at Penn State next year? Ask yourself if Penn State doesn't want them why would ADs risk their job by hiring them when there are dozens of comparable coaches out there that do not know Jerry Sandusky.
  
  Right or wrong, any coach that knew Jerry Sandusky will have an impossible task in finding a job. You have heard of guilt by association, It's a bad precept but it holds a lot of weight none the less.
  
  Why do you think the best D-coordinator in College Football couldn't get ANY job, not even as a high school coach, in the prime of his career?

  After 32 years at Penn St you are in the prime of your career? How does being in your prime apply to coaching? LOL
• jordo212000

  

  Pick6;1041249 wrote:I dont think this is a bad hire. I mean are Penn State fans really expecting to get Nick Saban or something? They got a guy who is the OC of one of the best teams and offenses in the league.

  Can O'Brien bring Tom Brady and Bill Bellichick with him?
  
  Bellichick's assistants have largely fallen on their face elsewhere. It has become increasingly apparent that Tom Brady and Bellichick are crucial to the franchise's success. Not people like Bill O'Brien, Charlie Weis, or Josh "Genius" McDaniels
• jordo212000

  

  Talent is one of the reasons the Big 10 has been lagging behind in college football over the past few years, but I think the bigger problem is coaching. Danny Hope, Jerry Kill, Bill O'Brien, etc. doesn't quite cut it. Even the bigger name guys in the conference don't stack up with the best in the SEC.
• Big Gain

  Skyhook79;1041717 wrote:After 32 years at Penn St you are in the prime of your career? How does being in your prime apply to coaching? LOL

  You're right Paterno had the worst coaching staff in the country. They had all been at Penn State for decades:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
• Falcons53

  Unfortunately, guilt by association is very powerful. As of of today, LJ and Vanderlinden will be on staff next year. LJ will be asst HC/DC. Good move by O'Brien in my opinion. I don't think any offensive staff guys will be back, but I thought they would clean house for the exact reason stated about change.
  
  As far as current situation, I agree with Penn State being #4 program in the Big 10. Before 2000, I would have said they were #1 - #2 with the gap between OSU/MICH/PSU being non-existent. They fell off in the early 2000's.