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  • SportsAndLady
    HitsRus;946587 wrote:the B1G covets NYC ratings....hello Rutgers.......
    Rutgers-Louisville drew a 1.45 share in New York City compared to 0.7 for West Virginia-Syracuse, according to the Nielsen ratings released today.
    That rating tied for fourth all-time on ESPN2 for a football game viewed in the New York City area. Rutgers has been involved in all five of the top-rated football games in New York City on ESPN2.
    Rutgers has also been part of four of the five highest-rated football games in the New York City area on ESPN.
    http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index.ssf/2011/10/rutgers-louisville_tv_rating_i.html
  • enigmaax
    Honest question (open to anyone) - any idea how that rating compares to other "high shares" in varous local markets for other teams? For example, if Rutgers pulls a 1.45 in NYC and (just an example), Missouri pulls a 4.0 in St. Louis and Kansas City, would you consider Rutgers to really be pulling in a market? I think someone on here broke down those numbers once, can't remember who and I'm curious if anyone knows what would make a market worth the while in going after (ratings wise).

    Also, is it true that the B1G network is already in NYC? If so, what type of ratings do their games typically pull - wouldn't that be relevant to whether or not Rutgers actually has a value to the B1G as far as the NYC market goes?

    And finally, I didn't look close enough to know off the top of my head, but are all those games involving Rutgers during the couple of season that they were above average? If so, what kind of business do they typically do when they are losing....and how often would they win (in B1G or ACC) at the level they have in the Big East (which really isn't that much anyway)?
  • j_crazy
    enigmaax;946641 wrote:Honest question (open to anyone) - any idea how that rating compares to other "high shares" in varous local markets for other teams? For example, if Rutgers pulls a 1.45 in NYC and (just an example), Missouri pulls a 4.0 in St. Louis and Kansas City, would you consider Rutgers to really be pulling in a market? I think someone on here broke down those numbers once, can't remember who and I'm curious if anyone knows what would make a market worth the while in going after (ratings wise).

    Also, is it true that the B1G network is already in NYC? If so, what type of ratings do their games typically pull - wouldn't that be relevant to whether or not Rutgers actually has a value to the B1G as far as the NYC market goes?

    And finally, I didn't look close enough to know off the top of my head, but are all those games involving Rutgers during the couple of season that they were above average? If so, what kind of business do they typically do when they are losing....and how often would they win (in B1G or ACC) at the level they have in the Big East (which really isn't that much anyway)?

    That last question is the one that I'm asking. For 2 years Rutgers was compelling. Hell I even watched a few of their games.
  • SportsAndLady
    http://www.boston.com/sports/colleges/extras/colleges_blog/


    enig..i'll get to your post later today; real busy right now answering calls by pissed off season ticket holders wondering why we haven't been trying to get into the SEC.
  • Jawbreaker
    SportsAndLady;946692 wrote:http://www.boston.com/sports/colleges/extras/colleges_blog/


    enig..i'll get to your post later today; real busy right now answering calls by pissed off season ticket holders wondering why we haven't been trying to get into the SEC.
    The SEC? Why not the PAC 12? That makes just about as much sense.
  • SportsAndLady
    Jawbreaker;946798 wrote:The SEC? Why not the PAC 12? That makes just about as much sense.
    That was hyperbole.

    They don't actually want into the SEC lol but some of their claims are comparable to that. (i.e. Notre Dame and RU is a package deal to the B1G!)
  • Iliketurtles
    j_crazy;946656 wrote:That last question is the one that I'm asking. For 2 years Rutgers was compelling. Hell I even watched a few of their games.
    Yeah I'd say it was those two years they were pretty good that everyone was watching Rutgers. I know I watched their games those seasons they were winning.
  • SportsAndLady
    Rutgers and its TV ratings may be shut out of conference realignment, unless Notre Dame finally says yes to the Big Ten and the league looks to add the Scarlet Knights as its 14th team, according to the Chicago Tribune.
    A New York Times study of the 210 television markets found New York has about 3 million college football fans, and 20.9% of those chose Rutgers as their favorite team. That's almost equal to those naming Notre Dame (9.2%), Penn State (6.4) and Connecticut (5.2) combined.

    Go figure.
    http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/10/rutgers-appears-to-be-most-popular-in-new-york-city-market/1
  • HitsRus
    Rutgers has a very rich football tradition, and joining the B1G would skyrocket their recruiting ability. Rutgers to the B1G is a win for everybody.
  • SportsAndLady
    http://redraiders.com/sports-red-raiders/2011-10-26/hance-likes-louisville-big-12#.TqnaTmBn9-g

    Texas Tech Chancellor says Louisville makes most "logistical" sense.

    Well no shit, moron. But that doesn't mean Louisville is best for the conference...
  • jordo212000
    Louisville really brings nothing. Their basketball program really isn't even that great. They are not consistently good
  • Little Danny
    enigmaax;946641 wrote:Honest question (open to anyone) - any idea how that rating compares to other "high shares" in varous local markets for other teams? For example, if Rutgers pulls a 1.45 in NYC and (just an example), Missouri pulls a 4.0 in St. Louis and Kansas City, would you consider Rutgers to really be pulling in a market? I think someone on here broke down those numbers once, can't remember who and I'm curious if anyone knows what would make a market worth the while in going after (ratings wise).

    Also, is it true that the B1G network is already in NYC? If so, what type of ratings do their games typically pull - wouldn't that be relevant to whether or not Rutgers actually has a value to the B1G as far as the NYC market goes?

    And finally, I didn't look close enough to know off the top of my head, but are all those games involving Rutgers during the couple of season that they were above average? If so, what kind of business do they typically do when they are losing....and how often would they win (in B1G or ACC) at the level they have in the Big East (which really isn't that much anyway)?[/QUOTE]

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    Rutgers probably would win at a similar clip they currently do. The would consistently beat the bottom of the B1G (Indiana, Purdue, Minnesota) and the ACC (Duke, Virginia, Wake Forest). Throw in the patsy OOC and they win six or seven games a year.
  • SportsAndLady
    Yeah Rutgers has never won the BE, so I don't believe they'd be winning ACC or B1G championships haha
  • Little Danny
    To piggyback off my prior point, I always find it interesting people comment that a team like Rutgers should not be admitted to ______ Conference because they would never win it. What about the bottom feeder schools that are seemingly never competitive either? Shouldn't they get the boot? Certain teams are just sitting back collecting the TV check off the backs of the biggers schools.... this mean you (football only)

    ACC- Duke, Wake, Virginia, Maryland, BC
    B1G- Minnesota, Indiana, Purdue (aside from the Drew Brees years)
    SEC- Vandy, Mississippi State
    B12- Kansas, Iowa State, Baylor
    Pac12- Washington State, Oregon State, Cal, UCLA, Arizona, Colorado


    Most of the teams I listed above have not been good throughout most of their history. I am not just talking about winning the conference, I mean just finishing in the top 2-3 of their league.
  • jordo212000
    Big 10 will never get rid of Indiana
  • SportsAndLady
    Man, this WVU/Louisville shit is getting messy
    A source told CBSSports.com that three senators identified Wednesday in national reports have been involved in the process for what was termed “weeks”.

    McConnell and West Virginia senators Jay Rockefeller and Joe Manchin had all been in contact with at least Oklahoma president David Boren before Wednesday’s messy expansion revelations, the source said. Manchin threatened a Senate investigation if it was proven McConnell was lobbying in Louisville’s favor against West Virginia.

    CBSSports.com reported exclusively Wednesday that the Big 12 had a press release ready and at at least two high-ranking conference officials were scheduled to fly to Morgantown, W.V., for the announcement that West Virginia was being accepted into the league. That process hit a snag when Louisville’s prospects improved.
    http://dennis-dodd.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/view/6270202
  • SportsAndLady
    jordo212000;947324 wrote:Big 10 will never get rid of Indiana
    That's not his/the point.

    You don't invite schools to your conference JUST BECAUSE of competition in football. If that was the case, those bottom feeders would be kicked out of the conference, and Syracuse wouldn't be getting any ACC bids anytime soon.

    There are other things that go into a conference's members.
  • SportsAndLady
    There's some talk around here (NY media) that UCONN as early as tomorrow will join the ACC for all sports OTHER THAN football.
  • enigmaax
    Little Danny;947315 wrote:To piggyback off my prior point, I always find it interesting people comment that a team like Rutgers should not be admitted to ______ Conference because they would never win it. What about the bottom feeder schools that are seemingly never competitive either? Shouldn't they get the boot? Certain teams are just sitting back collecting the TV check off the backs of the biggers schools.... this mean you (football only)

    ACC- Duke, Wake, Virginia, Maryland, BC
    B1G- Minnesota, Indiana, Purdue (aside from the Drew Brees years)
    SEC- Vandy, Mississippi State
    B12- Kansas, Iowa State, Baylor
    Pac12- Washington State, Oregon State, Cal, UCLA, Arizona, Colorado


    Most of the teams I listed above have not been good throughout most of their history. I am not just talking about winning the conference, I mean just finishing in the top 2-3 of their league.
    I don't know if you were still referring to my questions, but just to be clear, I absolutely agree that from a conference's standpoint the competitiveness of an incoming team isn't and probably shouldn't be a huge consideration. My question about how well Rutgers would really do in the B1G (as an example) is strictly from a TV/ratings/market standpoint. Are the ratings they'd pull as a bottom-dweller in the B1G going to benefit the B1G in the NYC market?

    If there is a huge disparity between their top games (during the seasons that they were ranked and still in the running for a league title very late in the season) and their normal season, then I wonder how valuable they really are as a representative of the market. I don't know enough about that dynamic to have an opinion on whether they are worth it or not, but it isn't just the fact that they don't win often, it is about what that means to their value to the bottom line.
  • SportsAndLady
    enigmaax;947370 wrote:I don't know if you were still referring to my questions, but just to be clear, I absolutely agree that from a conference's standpoint the competitiveness of an incoming team isn't and probably shouldn't be a huge consideration. My question about how well Rutgers would really do in the B1G (as an example) is strictly from a TV/ratings/market standpoint. Are the ratings they'd pull as a bottom-dweller in the B1G going to benefit the B1G in the NYC market?

    If there is a huge disparity between their top games (during the seasons that they were ranked and still in the running for a league title very late in the season) and their normal season, then I wonder how valuable they really are as a representative of the market. I don't know enough about that dynamic to have an opinion on whether they are worth it or not, but it isn't just the fact that they don't win often, it is about what that means to their value to the bottom line.
    To be honest enig, I couldn't find the answers you were looking for from your previous post. Not trying to dodge the question, just couldn't find answers lol I am a member of the RU premium board, and posed the questions there..so hopefully I'll get a response. I can't find the ratings from last year (their only down year since 2003), soon as I find them, I'll obviously post them.

    I do know that the 5 highest rated games on ESPN in the NY market were:

    1) RU-Louisville '06
    2) RU-WVU '06
    3) OSU-USC '09
    4) RU-Cinci '06
    5) RU-USF '07

    So yes, 3 of the top 5 games were from their best year, which obviously points out the bandwagon mentality of RU's fanbase..and it's something I see on a daily basis--it's frustrating. We sold over 700 tickets to the WVU game last week..then lost to Louisville..this week? 240 tickets.

    They did rank in the top 3 in attendance last year in the Big East, a 4-8 season. So it's not like the fans are awful, they just sort of quietly support the program when they're not doing great.

    It's not like any RU apologist is going to argue the NY market are huge RU fans...it's simply not. But it WOULD in my opinion get the B1G the NY market. And that is something Delany makes no attempts at covering up-he wants the NY market. If ND joins the B1G, there isn't a better option than Rutgers to be the 14th member. It's not the "sexy" pick, but from a pure business standpoint, how can you say it doesn't strengthen the value of the conference? You have the largest TV market in the country; great academic school (AAU, as well..we all know the B1G's hard-on for AAU schools), great non-football programs, up and coming basketball program, tradition (another B1G value), and a HUGE alumni base.

    As for your Big Ten Network question..best thing I could find was a 2010 article that said the NYC market did NOT carry the BTN. It has a contract that only allows it in markets with B1G schools. Whether or not that is true now, I don't know.
  • jordo212000
    SportsAndLady;947342 wrote:There's some talk around here (NY media) that UCONN as early as tomorrow will join the ACC for all sports OTHER THAN football.

    Huh? Where would they play football
  • SportsAndLady
    jordo212000;947405 wrote:Huh? Where would they play football
    I'm just as confused as you are lol

    But I assume in the BE along with the 5 new BE members (Memphis, UCF, etc.)
  • vball10set
    SportsAndLady;947342 wrote:There's some talk around here (NY media) that UCONN as early as tomorrow will join the ACC for all sports OTHER THAN football.
    This drives me crazy...IMO, it should be all or nothing, period.
  • enigmaax
    SportsAndLady;947396 wrote:As for your Big Ten Network question..best thing I could find was a 2010 article that said the NYC market did NOT carry the BTN. It has a contract that only allows it in markets with B1G schools. Whether or not that is true now, I don't know.
    I did find this on the BTN page:
    The network is available on cable in 19 of the nation’s 20 largest media markets, including New York City, Chicago, Philadelphia, Dallas, San Francisco, Boston, Atlanta, Washington DC, Houston and many more. To get the channel number specific to your area and provider, visit www.bigtennetwork.com/channelfinder. Cable subscribers inside the Big Ten states receive the network on either an expanded basic or digital basic level of service. Outside the Big Ten states, cable operators that carry the network make it available on a variety of packages.
    So it sounds like, at the least, moving into the NYC market would get the network into a better package and access to more TVs?
  • Manhattan Buckeye
    1) The Big 10 already has the NY market, Penn. St., Michigan, Ohio St., etc. are ALREADY on tv, typically ABC, not ESPN.

    2) Sports and Lady's post illustrates this, the Ohio St./USC game was an aberration in that ND/Michigan got the ABC slot, thus OSU/USC were on ESPN.

    3) As such, being a top-ranked game in that market isn't all that great, considering ABC would rather broadcast Michigan or Ohio St. and let Rutgers get shown, if at all, on ESPN.