Better coaching job: OSU in 2001, or OSU in 2011?

• BigAppleBuckeye

  

  What is the more attractive coaching job: Ohio State in 2001, or Ohio State in 2011?
  
  Before everyone jumps the gun and talks about things like the Death Penalty and Bowl Suspensions, let's remember that big name coaches weren't exactly lining up to take the OSU job after Cooper, and we had to "settle" for a relatively-unknown coach from Youngstown State.
  
  Despite his obvious troubles, Tressel turned OSU from a storied program into a top collegiate brand. Despite the unknown ahead for OSU, is the coaching job a better gig today than it was in '01 when the Buckeyes had no potential NCAA sanctions)?
• OneBuckeye

  

  2011 Tressel took it to another level.
• jhay78

  

  Probably 2011. Tressel made it great because he embraced the tradition and everything else that was great about Ohio State before him, instead of acting like nobody knew anything about football until he arrived (**cough**RichRod**cough**). To the extent that the next coach does what Tressel did (sans the little NCAA thingy), he'll do just fine.
• Pick6

  

  2011, don't even really see how it is debatable, unless you are one of those who thinks OSU is going to get some punishment similar to USCs
• dwccrew

  

  2011 and it ain't close. There is probably only one coaching job better than OSU right now and that is Texas and that is debateable. In 2001 OSU wasn't even a top 5 coaching job.
• Iliketurtles

  

  dwccrew;822175 wrote:2011 and it ain't close. There is probably only one coaching job better than OSU right now and that is Texas and that is debateable. In 2001 OSU wasn't even a top 5 coaching job.

  Completely agree.
• thedynasty1998

  

  2011. OSU is recruiting better, has more revenues, dominates their league, and is a top 5 job whether there are severe penalties or not.
• Scarlet_Buckeye

  

  I don't think it's the slam dunk that everyone is making it out to be. In fact, I think one could make a solid argument that 2001 is/was.
• se-alum

  

  2011. More talent, and the program is on a different level than it was then.
• dwccrew

  

  Scarlet_Buckeye;822243 wrote:I don't think it's the slam dunk that everyone is making it out to be. In fact, I think one could make a solid argument that 2001 is/was.

  
  Oh ok, well present that argument then; don't just make the claim.
• BigAppleBuckeye

  

  For those saying 2011, are you in turn saying that Jim Tressel left the program in better hands than John Cooper? For the record, I too believe 2011 is the better job, just thought that was interesting.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  BigAppleBuckeye;822387 wrote:For those saying 2011, are you in turn saying that Jim Tressel left the program in better hands than John Cooper? For the record, I too believe 2011 is the better job, just thought that was interesting.

  
  Absolutely, he left the program in better shape than Cooper did. Whether it will be left in better hands is yet to be determined.
• vball10set

  Writerbuckeye;822424 wrote:Absolutely, he left the program in better shape than Cooper did. Whether it will be left in better hands is yet to be determined.

  
  this--without a doubt
• se-alum

  

  BigAppleBuckeye;822387 wrote:For those saying 2011, are you in turn saying that Jim Tressel left the program in better hands than John Cooper? For the record, I too believe 2011 is the better job, just thought that was interesting.

  I believe he has left the program in better shape.
• Scarlet_Buckeye

  

  dwccrew;822347 wrote:Oh ok, well present that argument then; don't just make the claim.

  
  OSU won a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP in 2002, just two years removed from Cooper. There is no way in hell OSU will even come close to sniffing a NC in even 5 years removed from Tressel. #BookIt.
• raiderbuck

  Scarlet_Buckeye;822476 wrote:OSU won a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP in 2002, just two years removed from Cooper. There is no way in hell OSU will even come close to sniffing a NC in even 5 years removed from Tressel. #BookIt.

  
  Couldn't that be attributed to the coaching staff at the time? I mean, sure Tressel took on Cooper's recruits but he coached them to the NC. He's dominated Michigan and OSU has consistently been atop the Big Ten. Two NC appearances (ok, no they didn't win...but we got there), 7 BCS bowl appearances, and was key in making the OSU head coach job one of the top jobs in the NCAA. No doubt that OSU has grown under Tressel. It's 2011 OSU no question.
• thedynasty1998

  

  Tressel left the program with greater standards. That is why you could make the argument either way. I originally said 2011, but on second thought maybe the standards are too high, especially if you factor in the obvious drop that is likely to occur over the next few years.
• dwccrew

  

  Scarlet_Buckeye;822476 wrote:OSU won a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP in 2002, just two years removed from Cooper. There is no way in hell OSU will even come close to sniffing a NC in even 5 years removed from Tressel. #BookIt.

  
  I attribute that to Tressel. There is no doubt in my mind that Cooper wouldn't have won a title with the exact same players in 2002. Hell, Cooper couldn't win it all in 1998 (which is arguably one of the best in OSU history and better than 2002 IMO). Tressel set the standard high at OSU, Cooper did not. So when Tressel took the job in 2001, no one had high expectations. No one expected Big 10 titles every year and to be in the running for a national title every year. No one expected to beat Michigan every year. Now, in 2011, these things are all expected thanks to Jim Tressel. 2011 is much better coaching job at OSU than 2001.
  
  Didn't Urban Meyer win a national title at Florida in his second or third year? Is that because Zook left the program in such a great place or is it because Meyer molded the players that were there and got them to achieve on a level the former coach couldn't? Same situations if you ask me.
• se-alum

  

  thedynasty1998;822851 wrote:Tressel left the program with greater standards. That is why you could make the argument either way. I originally said 2011, but on second thought maybe the standards are too high, especially if you factor in the obvious drop that is likely to occur over the next few years.

  I'm not seeing this "obvious" drop. There is alot of talent at OSU right now.
• dwccrew

  

  se-alum;823382 wrote:I'm not seeing this "obvious" drop. There is alot of talent at OSU right now.

  
  I interpreted his "obvious drop" comment to mean in coaching. Fickell, in all probability, will not be as great of a coach as Tressel. Hopefully they can get someone that will equal Tressel in success.
• se-alum

  

  I see, I'm just not as worried about the coaching situation as most people. Fickell has been in the program for a long time, and it's pretty much the exact same staff as Tress had.
• thedynasty1998

  

  se-alum;823497 wrote:I see, I'm just not as worried about the coaching situation as most people. Fickell has been in the program for a long time, and it's pretty much the exact same staff as Tress had.

  
  Obvious drop in that you have a coach in over his head and you lost your most important player as well as 4 other key players.
• bogey

  From a coaching perspective, the job would have been "easier" (for lack of a better term) in 2001 to settle into and carve your own groove. This is what Tressel did. Even if Tressel had not won the NC in his second year, I think beating Michigan would have been enough to buy him time to keep working towards that bigger goals of Big Ten Titles and NC's. Because Tressel took the opportunity in 01 and did an amazing job and endeared himself to fans before (and for some, even after) his downfall, it makes the job of this coach much more difficult than the one that Tressel took on back when he accepted the position. Don't get me wrong, I would rather inherit a job that has high standards already in place, but you better be ready for the pressure cooker. Some coaches are more adept to taking positions that allow them to build rather than maintain....this coach taking over for Tressel will not have the time frame to establish his own style if it doesn't maintain the high standards that are in place for this program, assuming the NCAA doesn't drop the hammer.
  From a fan perspective, 2011 is obviously the better job because of the recent success and expectations that probably affords the new staff easier recruiting ties due to the program being at the level that it is.
• Scarlet_Buckeye

  

  I don't know how anyone can say 2011 is a better coaching job than 2001. The program is in shambles right now. Tressel won a national championship just 2 years in after 2001. Things must not have been THAT bad [in 2001]. No one will be winning a national title for awhile at OSU. This is a no brainer.
• dwccrew

  

  Scarlet_Buckeye;824710 wrote:I don't know how anyone can say 2011 is a better coaching job than 2001. The program is in shambles right now. Tressel won a national championship just 2 years in after 2001. Things must not have been THAT bad [in 2001]. No one will be winning a national title for awhile at OSU. This is a no brainer.

  
  LOL at the program being in shambles. Let's wait and see what the NCAA comes down with as punishment. I highly doubt this is going to limit OSU for more than a season or two.