Ohio State @ Purdue (2/20)

• Tiger2003

  

  18-47 shooting won't ever win you a game.
• centralbucksfan

  sportchampps;684802 wrote:but osu does need to figure out a way to stop someone having a good shooting day

  
  And others teams are saying the same thing going in against Sullinger. How has that worked on the season? Great offensive players are tough to stop..
• Mulva

  

  centralbucksfan;684815 wrote:Moore is a great player. Great players step up and can be unstoppable at times. Moore didn't have many easy shots. He elevated over, took advantage of mismatches. Great offensive players do just that.

  
  I'm well aware of that, and it wasn't my point at all. My point was that he shouldn't be able to just stand outside the arc and receive a pass at any point in the possession. When a guy is that hot you need to make it difficult for him to even get to the ball. He wasn't working especially hard to get open, we just weren't denying him anything. It isn't like Purdue has a ton of offensive weapons that we had to be wary about and sag off of him.
• KR1245

  

  Not that it really matters. But why wouldnt we be number 1?
  
  Kansas lost to unranked K State
  Texas lost to unranked Nebraska
  
  Seems that the Bucks have the best two losses out of any teams fighting for that number 1 spot.
• elbuckeye28

  centralbucksfan;684807 wrote:Chill out. He played hard. Players have off games. Basketball is far from a perfect science. It happens.

  
  Am I not allowed to state the obvious? I'm just noticing that he plays poorly in big away games. It's aggravating when he plays poorly(bad shots, missing free throws, turnovers). At Illinois he went 3-14, at Northwestern he scored 6 points, and at Wisconsin he scored 8 points. I know he plays hard and am grateful for everything he has done for the program, but he has played badly in our closest games of the year on the road. We can't have that out of a 5th year senior if we expect to go deep into the tournament.
• vball10set

  and for the record, Ryne Smith did nothing, so the game wasn't a total loss for me
• hoops23

  

  thedynasty1998;684805 wrote:Not really a bad loss by OSU today. Moore was just on fire and Purdue had their fans fully behind them. OSU should bounce back on track and win out and still end up with a 1 or 2 seed. I just hope they end up in Cleveland first round.

  
  Lol, 1 or 2 seed? As of right now, OSU would be the #1 overall seed. Only way they lose a 1 seed is if they tailspin, which I don't see happening.
  
  Losing @Wisky and @Purdue doesn't hurt your resume, at least not like losses @USC, @Nebraska, or @KSU...
• Tiger2003

  

  If OSU wins out and wins the Big Ten Tourney they should be the #1 overall seed.
• centralbucksfan

  If you look at OSU two losses...at Wisky, and at Purdue....first of all, those two places are two of the toughest home courts in the country. Both have not lost at home. Secondly, it took two UNBELIEVABLE performances by two players to beat OSU. And even at that, OSU was in it late in the game. Not bad losses at all and it took everything those teams had to beat OSU.
• elbuckeye28

  hoops23;684828 wrote:Lol, 1 or 2 seed? As of right now, OSU would be the #1 overall seed. Only way they lose a 1 seed is if they tailspin, which I don't see happening.
  
  Losing @Wisky and @Purdue doesn't hurt your resume, at least not like losses @USC, @Nebraska, or @KSU...

  
  Yeah these losses suck, but our only two losses are against top 15 teams who haven't lost at home yet this year. I believe that any team that went into Wisconsin and Purdue would lose at least one, and most would lose two.
• centralbucksfan

  Tiger2003;684830 wrote:If OSU wins out and wins the Big Ten Tourney they should be the #1 overall seed.

  
  If they win out, and get a win or two in the tourney, without winning it...they will be right there with #1 seed. Much will depends on what the other teams do as well.
• robj55

  

  centralbucksfan;684833 wrote:If you look at OSU two losses...at Wisky, and at Purdue....first of all, those two places are two of the toughest home courts in the country. Both have not lost at home. Secondly, it took two UNBELIEVABLE performances by two players to beat OSU. And even at that, OSU was in it late in the game. Not bad losses at all and it took everything those teams had to beat OSU.

  
  Great post, couldn't agree more!
• gerb131

  

  Oh well. Need to shoot better and take care of the ball. Not upset, Purdue is gelling as a team and will be a force in March.
• vball10set

  was that a career game for Moore?
• elbuckeye28

  As an Ohio State fan, I am very disappointed in losing two out of three games. That said, these games were in the two of the most difficult environments in the country against 2 top-15 teams. Reading some of the comments by other message board and our so called fans, you would think that we are in a downward spiral. I mean all the other top teams just lost unranked Kansas State, St. Johns, West Virgina, and Nebraska. We lose to easily best team out of the bunch, in by far the toughest atmosphere, and we are in a downward spiral. Some people need to gain perspective.
• centralbucksfan

  The only shame about this game, was the final score. If you didn't watch it, u would think Purdue won easily when OSU was actually within 4pts with 2 min to go.
• mallymal614

  I'm a little concern now about this team. The players are there but we need to make some serious adjustments. I will admit that I was one of those who believed the debt on the team wasn't a concern. Now I am starting to change my view. As I said earlier on this thread, its seem as though the last few games, teams are starting to complete/beat Ohio State because they keep fresh bodies on the floor and play at a fast pace. Even superman would get tired after a while at the pace. I re-watched a game from the 2007 and the buckeyes back then went 9 deep. At one point of the game, coach Matta subbed 4 players in at once against Wisconsin who was the #2 team in the land back then. I can understand this not using the bench philosophy a year ago since we practically had no bench at all. This year I believe the players are there. I'm not asking if they could get 15 minutes a game. But would 5-7 minutes really hurt? If you look at the 2007 team, was the talent on the bench that much better than the one now? Jordan Sibert I believe will have a very solid college career. He kind of remind me of what Lighty was as a freshman. Not a 5* recruit or superstar, but gets enough done while on the floor.
  
  Another thing that worries me is who is our go-to-guy in the clutch? I know some of you will say Jared. History shows that guard play seems to be what really wins championships in college basketball. Teams that make a run usually have terrific guard play. This is where we miss Evan Turner. Turner can take over a game late like he did a year ago at Purdue. And we see what a outstanding guard can do against us in Taylor and now Moore. We need a play maker who can and is willing to take over a game in clutch situations. The best player capable of doing this is Buford. Maybe Thad should start designing plays late in the games for him to take over. Just a thought. Though I said I am concern, I am not in panic mode. It's not the end of the world and still confidence in the Bucks. But I think it's time to stop saying 'we will be okay' because if we continue to play this way without making adjustments, then it could be a disappointing end in the tournament.
• elbuckeye28

  mallymal614;684858 wrote:I'm a little concern now about this team. The players are there but we need to make some serious adjustments. I will admit that I was one of those who believed the dept on the team wasn't a concern. Now I am starting to change my view. As I said earlier on this thread, its seem as though the last few games, teams are starting to complete/beat Ohio State because they keep fresh bodies on the floor and play at a fast pace. Even superman would get tired after a while at the pace. I re-watched a game from the 2007 and the buckeyes back then went 9 deep. At one point of the game, coach Matta subbed 4 players in at once against Wisconsin who was the #2 team in the land back then. I can understand this not using the bench philosophy a year ago since we practically had no bench at all. This year I believe the players are there. I'm not asking if they could get 15 minutes a game. But would 5-7 minutes really hurt? If you look at the 2007 team, was the talent on the bench that much better than the one now? Jordan Sibert I believe will have a very solid college career. He kind of remind me of what Lighty was as a freshman. Not a 5* recruit or superstar, but gets enough done while on the floor.
  
  Another thing that worries me is who is our go-to-guy in the clutch? I know some of you will say Jared. History shows that guard play seems to be what really wins championships in college basketball. Teams that make a run usually have terrific guard play. This is where we miss Evan Turner. Turner can take over a game late like he did a year ago at Purdue. And we see what a outstanding guard can do against us in Taylor and now Moore. We need a play maker who can and is willing to take over a game in clutch situations. The best player capable of doing this is Buford. Maybe Thad should start designing plays late in the games for him to take over. Just a thought. Though I said I am concern, I am not in panic mode. It's not the end of the world and still confidence in the Bucks. But I think it's time to stop saying 'we will be okay' because if we continue to play this way without making adjustments, then it could be a disappointing end in the tournament.

  
  I think the depth issue is overplayed because of when we are losing these games. If we played at Purdue and Wisconsin at the beginning of the Big 10 season and lost, which would have been a high possibility, nobody would have made any mention of it(unless we got into serious foul trouble). It's just we are playing our toughest games at the end of the season and it draws out these issues because we always want "reasons" why we didn't play well and lost. Frankly, we just played in tough environments, against tough teams, and they had players go off. We have a target on our backs as the leader in the Big 10 and as a top 5 team. Players are going to bring their best against us, especially with a crowd behind them like Purdue and Wisconsin had.
• centralbucksfan

  mallymal614;684858 wrote:I'm a little concern now about this team. The players are there but we need to make some serious adjustments. I will admit that I was one of those who believed the dept on the team wasn't a concern. Now I am starting to change my view. As I said earlier on this thread, its seem as though the last few games, teams are starting to complete/beat Ohio State because they keep fresh bodies on the floor and play at a fast pace. .

  
  Last few games? MSU threw all they had at OSU, subbing freely...OSU won by 10pts. Wisky top players all played 36+ min vs OSU, this on only two day rest, and they were not tired while OSU had a week of rest. And 90% of both of those games, was played in the half court...not at a fast pace. Sorry, I don't buy into the being being tired thing. There are more timeouts in a game for players to get a rest then I can count at times. And today, Buford had plenty of rest, and was a non factor.
  Bottom line, OSU just went into the two toughest places to play in the Big Ten, and lost to pretty good teams. It just happened to be within the last 3 games they played these teams.
  And, both of those games were MUST WIN games for Wisky and Purdue. They were not for OSU.
  
  Go to guy? Its Sullinger, no question. But I am confident just about any of the other guys can make plays when needed. I mean they have done it 25 out of 27 games.
• mallymal614

  elbuckeye28;684865 wrote:I think the depth issue is overplayed because of when we are losing these games. If we played at Purdue and Wisconsin at the beginning of the Big 10 season and lost, which would have been a high possibility, nobody would have made any mention of it(unless we got into serious foul trouble). It's just we are playing our toughest games at the end of the season and it draws out these issues because we always want "reasons" why we didn't play well and lost. Frankly, we just played in tough environments, against tough teams, and they had players go off. We have a target on our backs as the leader in the Big 10 and as a top 5 team. Players are going to bring their best against us, especially with a crowd behind them like Purdue and Wisconsin had.

  Good points made. Being ranked Top 5 certainly plays a role and the environment in which we played certainly didn't make it easier. The good thing about the tournament is that it is play on a Neutral floor which gives Ohio State an advantage imo.
• Hb31187

  

  Lol seems to me every single game theres complaints about Sully getting fouled. Isnt that what the big ten hangs it hat on during the season is the refs "letting them play and bang inside"? Because it seems to me a lot of us on here complain about the big 10 big men getting in foul trouble during the tourny because they call the touch fouls that arent called in big10 conference play
• mallymal614

  centralbucksfan;684866 wrote:Last few games? MSU threw all they had at OSU, subbing freely...OSU won by 10pts. Wisky top players all played 36+ min vs OSU, this on only two day rest, and they were not tired while OSU had a week of rest. And 90% of both of those games, was played in the half court...not at a fast pace. Sorry, I don't buy into the being being tired thing. There are more timeouts in a game for players to get a rest then I can count at times. And today, Buford had plenty of rest, and was a non factor.
  Bottom line, OSU just went into the two toughest places to play in the Big Ten, and lost to pretty good teams. It just happened to be within the last 3 games they played these teams.
  And, both of those games were MUST WIN games for Wisky and Purdue. They were not for OSU.
  
  Go to guy? Its Sullinger, no question. But I am confident just about any of the other guys can make plays when needed. I mean they have done it 25 out of 27 games.

  
  The problem with having a big man as your go to guy is that you have to find a way to get him the ball. This is why I believe a go to guard is much more important than a go to Big man. When the Lakers had Shaq, Kobe kept the defense honest. Tyler Hansbrough had Ty Lawson, and even Mike Conley Jr took over game when the focus was on Oden. I believe in big men being the workhorse but I want a wing player to take me to the finish line.
• Tiger2003

  

  @Jared_Sully0 you whiny bitch... So glad you lost today. Maybe you should worry more about the game and less about getting a call #FUCKYOU
  Twitter for iPhone • 2/20/11 2:32 PM
  retweeted by @Jared_Sully0
• Tiger2003

  

  “@HLGuy49: @Jared_Sully0 Less time crying and whining, more time playing "D"; so are you gonna claim some student spit on you again?! Hah hah”
• reclegend22

  

  Three weeks in February of 2001:
  
  Durham: Duke 101, Virginia 64
  Charlottesville: Virginia 90, Duke 88
  
  The difference a game makes when the motivation for revenge is at a peak. Sometimes, a lot. And it was at its peak today inside Mackey. Hellen Keller could have seen this coming.
  

  Tiger2003 wrote:@Jared_Sully0 you whiny bitch... So glad you lost today. Maybe you should worry more about the game and less about getting a call #FUCKYOU
  Twitter for iPhone • 2/20/11 2:32 PM
  retweeted by @Jared_Sully0

  Honestly, that all seems pretty reasonable, if you ask me.