Ohio State def. Iowa, 70-48

• LJ

  

  I have a prediction to make. My prediction is that Big Gain will continue to respond to this thread 1 week from today./
• Prescott

  other than that Buford is the 2nd best player. Craft is by far the 2nd most important player for this team.

  There is a difference between best and most important.
• thedynasty1998

  

  Prescott;645203 wrote:There is a difference between best and most important.

  
  Yea, I understand that. Buford is the 2nd best, however Craft is the 2nd most important.
• centralbucksfan

  thedynasty1998;645158 wrote:Good post and I agree with all points, other than that Buford is the 2nd best player. Craft is by far the 2nd most important player for this team.

  
  I actually think Lighty is the glue to this team. He is the leader, he is versitle and can play defense on just about any position. IMO, he makes this team go. I am as impressed with Craft as anyone is. He is great to watch. He is unreal on defense. But Lighty has been doing this for years. Not just 19 games. And he goes unnoticed as the "old man" IMO.
• Jester

  

  Big Gain;645023 wrote:DO NOT LIE. Where did I say Ohio State was in the "top echelon"??? Just stating FACTS. Ohio State does have a National Championship and only 5 schools in the country have been to more Final Fours than Ohio State.

  Oh, well then in that case.
  
  Thank you captain fucking obvious.
• thedynasty1998

  

  Lighty absolutely does not make this team go.
• vball10set

  He may not make them go, dynasty, but IMO he's the glue to this team...he's got a calming influence on the court, and he seems to provide a security blanket when thing get hairy, especially with the freshman--he's definitely an important cog in the wheel.
• thedynasty1998

  

  vball10set;645503 wrote:He may not make them go, dynasty, but IMO he's the glue to this team...he's got a calming influence on the court, and he seems to provide a security blanket when thing get hairy, especially with the freshman--he's definitely an important cog in the wheel.

  
  People need to quit with the "freshman" label. Sullinger and Craft are probably the two most poised players on the team. They don't get rattled and do not look to Lighty as a calming influence. I love Lighty's game, however, he is not more important to this team than Sullinger or Craft.
• vball10set

  point taken, but I still think Lighty provides that little something that only a 5th year senior can provide--maybe it's just me, but they just seem to play more under control when he's on the court--JMO
• centralbucksfan

  thedynasty1998;645524 wrote:People need to quit with the "freshman" label. Sullinger and Craft are probably the two most poised players on the team. They don't get rattled and do not look to Lighty as a calming influence. I love Lighty's game, however, he is not more important to this team than Sullinger or Craft.

  
  More important? Maybe not. As important, absolutely. Lighty can gaurd any position on the floor, and has over his career. There is not a more versatile player on the roster then Lighty. Similar on offense, he has played any position from PG, to PF. He is interchangable. Craft and Sully both basically play one position. Light is as important and Matta has said as much.
  Although a different team...2yrs ago when he went down with an injury...the OSU team went down as well.
• thedynasty1998

  

  He can guard three positions, let's not get carried away. He's really not going to guard a PG or a C real effectively.
  
  And yes, Craft and Sullinger are more important. I think you have even more value when you have a defined position like those two, because you know what you will get out of them. Lighty IMO is the 3rd most important player, and I don't think that's an insult. I just think with Craft being the only true PG and Sullinger being perhaps the best player in college basketball, they have much more value and importance to this team.
  
  As for the year he got hurt, they were 7-0 with him in the early season schedule.
  They finished 22-11, so 15-11 in the meat of their schedule. Not hardly a collapse for a team that was predicted to be a top 4-5 pick in the Big 10.
• LJ

  

  thedynasty1998;645652 wrote:He can guard three positions, let's not get carried away. He's really not going to guard a PG or a C real effectively.
  
  And yes, Craft and Sullinger are more important. I think you have even more value when you have a defined position like those two, because you know what you will get out of them. Lighty IMO is the 3rd most important player, and I don't think that's an insult. I just think with Craft being the only true PG and Sullinger being perhaps the best player in college basketball, they have much more value and importance to this team.
  
  As for the year he got hurt, they were 7-0 with him in the early season schedule.
  They finished 22-11, so 15-11 in the meat of their schedule. Not hardly a collapse for a team that was predicted to be a top 4-5 pick in the Big 10.

  
  I think you are discounting the leadership ability of a player who has played in a NC game, an NIT Championship and the oldest player on the team.
• Big Gain

  Jester;645442 wrote:Oh, well then in that case.
  
  Thank you captain fucking obvious.

  
  No problem private A-hole misquoter.
• gamauter

  

  I know when Lighty goes out and Thomas comes in I hold my breath. When Sully goes out and DL comes in the O changes and other teams guard our perimeter making it tough for us to score.
• Big Gain

  LJ;645191 wrote:I have a prediction to make. My prediction is that Big Gain will continue to respond to this thread 1 week from today./

  
  Only when the doltish first directly address me. OR when something new of substance in relation to the subject comes to for.
• Big Gain

  Those who are making an attempt to deminish the importance of or the viability of one player over the next on this TEAM, would be a cancer to this TEAM, if a memeber of this TEAM.
• Jester

  

  Big Gain;645744 wrote:Those who are making an attempt to deminish the importance of or the viability of one player over the next on this TEAM, would be a cancer to this TEAM, if a memeber of this TEAM.

  SMH.
• Big Gain

  Jester;645746 wrote:SMH.

  
  RLG
• Jester

  

  Big Gain;645747 wrote:RLG

  
• Jester

  

  Big Gain;645744 wrote:Those who are making an attempt to deminish the importance of or the viability of one player over the next on this TEAM, would be a cancer to this TEAM, if a memeber of this TEAM.

  Seriously though. Does anyone else just LOL when they read shit like this?
  
  So if we were a member of the TEAM and discussed the importance of a member of the TEAM, we'd be considered a cancer to said TEAM.
  Well, SURPRISE, nobodies on the TEAM! Therefor, we can say and discuss whatever the hell we want about the TEAM.
• Terry_Tate

  

  Jester;645762 wrote:Seriously though. Does anyone else just LOL when they read shit like this?
  
  So if we were a member of the TEAM and discussed the importance of a member of the TEAM, we'd be considered a cancer to said TEAM.
  Well, SURPRISE, nobodies on the TEAM! Therefor, we can say and discuss whatever the hell we want about the TEAM.

  
  Believe me, it's not just you.
• Hb31187

  

  Yeah, Paladin(aka Big Gain) likes to make posts like that. Just wait til you say something he doesnt think is true and hell call you a LIAR, neophyte or something along those lines
• Terry_Tate

  

  Jester;643863 wrote:Pretty good read. I agree with the statement though, that OSU can not be considered in the top echelon of college basketball until they win a national title.

  Big Gain;644602 wrote:Ohio State has a National Title and only 5 schools in the country have been to more Final Fours than Ohio State.

  Jester;644919 wrote:That national title came in 1960. A national title over 50 years ago does not put you in the top echelon.

  Big Gain;645023 wrote:DO NOT LIE. Where did I say Ohio State was in the "top echelon"??? Just stating FACTS. Ohio State does have a National Championship and only 5 schools in the country have been to more Final Fours than Ohio State.

  For example, this response just makes me lol.
  
  And I think Ohio State can be put in the second tier of basketball greats, but they need a championship under Matta to be in the discussion at the top, and 2 to be included in that group, or just multiple final four appearances over the next 5 or 6 years with one of those being a championship.
• CinciX12

  

  Jester;645762 wrote:Seriously though. Does anyone else just LOL when they read shit like this?
  
  So if we were a member of the TEAM and discussed the importance of a member of the TEAM, we'd be considered a cancer to said TEAM.
  Well, SURPRISE, nobodies on the TEAM! Therefor, we can say and discuss whatever the hell we want about the TEAM.

  
  Definitely not just you lol. I think we should buy them all christmas presents.
• Big Gain

  Jester;644925 wrote:For comparisons sake, lets look at the three teams mentioned in the top echelon of college basketball and when their last national title was.
  Duke - last year
  Kansas- 2008
  Kentucky - 1998

  Duke has won 2 National Titles since 2001
  Kansas has won 2 National Titles since 1998
  Kentucky has won 2 National Titles since 1996
  
  AND
  
  Florida has won 2 National Titles since 2006
  North Carolina has won 2 National Titles since 1999
  UCONN has won 2 National Titles since 1999
  UCLA won a National Title in 1995 and has won 4 more than any other school in history.
  
  Therefore, "top eschelon"?