Answer this question...
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Fly4FunI will post why I'm asking this question after I get so many answers.
Do you believe that If Team A beats Team B and Team B beats Team C that Team A is better than Team C?
Just so you don't bother guessing, this has nothing to do with Ohio State or the 3-way Big 10 tie. -
LeonardoNope
It's an interesting way to compare teams, but not always true.
I know you said it had nothing to do with OSU/Big 10, but is Michigan State "without a doubt" better than Ohio State? -
SonofanumpThat would mean that James Madison is better than Florida State.
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krambmanI'm going to assume that Team A and Team C did not play each other. No, just because A beat B and B beat C that doesn't necessarily mean that A is better than C, although depending on when in the season these game occurred, who was at home in these games, and the margin of victory in each I believe that some inferences can be made about Team A relative to Team C.
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Con_AlmaNot necessarily.
It only means that Team A was better than Team B the day they played and that Team B was better than Team C the day they played.
There are too many other factors that would come in to play keeping me from saying conclusively that A is better than C -
killer_ewokNo.
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TiernanIts not a guarantee by any stretch but it is at least some kind of barometer for comparison.
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Con_AlmaI agree tiernan but by itself it's not enough to make the determination in my opinion.
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FatHobbitno
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sherm03No.
But now I'm interested to see why this question was asked. -
Fly4Funsherm03;592323 wrote:No.
But now I'm interested to see why this question was asked.
I will post why I asked this either at the end of the day today or tomorrow morning. I want to give a fair amount of people a chance to answer. -
bigkahunaIf you think about it mathematically...
If A=B and B=C than A=C
If A>B and B>C than A>C.
I don't think this works though either. There are so many variables when it comes to this, like krambman said. -
krambmanTiernan;592301 wrote:Its not a guarantee by any stretch but it is at least some kind of barometer for comparison.
Agreed. If Team A destroys Team B at B's place, and Team B destroys Team C at C's place, then yes, A is probably better than C. If they are close games won by a late field goal and if the home team won both times then it's harder to make that assertion. -
FatHobbitbigkahuna;592330 wrote:If you think about it mathematically...
If A=B and B=C than A=C
If A>B and B>C than A>C.
I don't think this works though either. There are so many variables when it comes to this, like krambman said.
What happens when A beats B, B beats C and then C beats A? There is no transitive property for football. -
Con_AlmaLol. It isn't math. It's football.
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vball10setno...I subscribe to the "on any given day" theory
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queencitybuckeye
Depends on whether you use Wisconsin or Iowa as your basis for comparison. Actually this answers the question posed with 100% confidence, as you have both tOSU > MSU and MSU > tOSU. Not possible.Leonardo;592258 wrote:Nope
It's an interesting way to compare teams, but not always true.
I know you said it had nothing to do with OSU/Big 10, but is Michigan State "without a doubt" better than Ohio State? -
karen lotzNo.
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Leonardoqueencitybuckeye;592470 wrote:Depends on whether you use Wisconsin or Iowa as your basis for comparison. Actually this answers the question posed with 100% confidence, as you have both tOSU > MSU and MSU > tOSU. Not possible.
Michigan State beat Wisconsin; Wisconsin beat Ohio State -
Fly4FunLeonardo;592780 wrote:Michigan State beat Wisconsin; Wisconsin beat Ohio State
Leonardo, he agreed with that; he was saying:
Ohio State > Iowa and Iowa > Michigan state Therefore Ohio State > Michigan State
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Michigan State > Wisconsin and Wisconsin > Ohio State Therefore Michigan State > Ohio State
Basically stating that using this theory in my original post it disproves itself as effective. -
queencitybuckeyeLeonardo;592780 wrote:Michigan State beat Wisconsin; Wisconsin beat Ohio State
Ohio State beat Iowa; Iowa beat Michigan State -
gorocks99Well ...
Minnesota > Iowa
Iowa > Michigan State
Michigan State > Wisconsin
Wisconsin > Ohio State
Ohio State > Michigan
Ohio State > Indiana
Ohio State > Illinois
Ohio State > Purdue
Ohio State > Penn State
Penn State > Northwestern
Therefore, Minnesota > Big Ten. A winner is me! Transitive property FTW! -
johngrizzlyBelieve it or not but certain teams match up better or worse against certain teams depending on the day, time, weather and injury situation not to mention coaching game plans
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krambmanFly4Fun;592787 wrote:Leonardo, he agreed with that; he was saying:
Ohio State > Iowa and Iowa > Michigan state Therefore Ohio State > Michigan State
AND
Michigan State > Wisconsin and Wisconsin > Ohio State Therefore Michigan State > Ohio State
Basically stating that using this theory in my original post it disproves itself as effective.
Not all wins are equal though. You need to quantify these wins with margin of victory.
Ohio State > Iowa by 3 and Iowa > Michigan state by 31, therefore Ohio State > Michigan State by 34.
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Michigan State > Wisconsin by 10 and Wisconsin > Ohio State by 13, therefore Michigan State > Ohio State by 23.
THEREFORE
Therefore is Ohio State had played Michigan State the Buckeyes would have been 11 points better winning 34-23. -
queencitybuckeyekrambman;592890 wrote:Not all wins are equal though. You need to quantify these wins with margin of victory.
Ohio State > Iowa by 3 and Iowa > Michigan state by 31, therefore Ohio State > Michigan State by 34.
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Michigan State > Wisconsin by 10 and Wisconsin > Ohio State by 13, therefore Michigan State > Ohio State by 23.
THEREFORE
Therefore is Ohio State had played Michigan State the Buckeyes would have been 11 points better winning 34-23.
Which again means that the answer to the poll as asked is "false".