The 2010 Heisman Trophy

• believer

  

  Cam Newton is the best college QB money can buy. Soon we'll "learn" that he belongs in the same Heisman category as Reggie Bush and OJ Simpson with that being Mega-Douche.
  
  None of these turds deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as great ones like Archie Griffin, Roger Staubach, etc.
• enigmaax

  believer;597084 wrote:None of these turds deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as great ones like Archie Griffin, Roger Staubach, etc.

  
  ...and Ty Detmer
• Ty Webb

  

  Tiernan;596111 wrote:Yes it was. Troy Smith is TWHPIH and Ive said so since he single handedly lost 2 NCs for the Buckeyes.

  
  Umm....I may be wrong....but I believe that he only started one
• ptown_trojans_1

  

  Ty Webb;597564 wrote:Umm....I may be wrong....but I believe that he only started one

  
  That reference was, I'm assuming, to Troy taking money from a booster after the 2004 Michigan game. The result was he was suspended for the Alamo Bowl, and the first two games of 2005. That meant Justin Zwick started the 05 Texas game, and some say that if Troy would have started the season, the Bucks would have beat Vince Young and Texas leading them, not Texas to the title game against USC.
• Ty Webb

  

  ptown_trojans_1;597649 wrote:That reference was, I'm assuming, to Troy taking money from a booster after the 2004 Michigan game. The result was he was suspended for the Alamo Bowl, and the first two games of 2005. That meant Justin Zwick started the 05 Texas game, and some say that if Troy would have started the season, the Bucks would have beat Vince Young and Texas leading them, not Texas to the title game against USC.

  
  Ahh....I see
• krambman

  

  ptown_trojans_1;597649 wrote:That reference was, I'm assuming, to Troy taking money from a booster after the 2004 Michigan game. The result was he was suspended for the Alamo Bowl, and the first two games of 2005. That meant Justin Zwick started the 05 Texas game, and some say that if Troy would have started the season, the Bucks would have beat Vince Young and Texas leading them, not Texas to the title game against USC.

  
  Perhaps, but most would also argue that Zwick played better than Smith in the particular game against Texas and probably should have stayed in. We also lost to Penn State that year. You technically have to play for the title to lose it. It just losing regular season games mean you cost your team a title then he cost them four times because he played in 2004 and was on the team in 2003 too.
• Tiernan

  ^^^
  OK fine...I'll blame him for those too. TWHPIH lost 4 NCs for the Buckeyes.
  
  Tress is a great coach and makes few mistakes as grave as replacing Zwick just because Hamby can't catch a pass his grandmother probably doesn't miss. I will maintain until I die that had Hamby caught that pass, we never hear of TWHPIH again, Bucks beat both TX and PSU and roll undefeated the following year too with back to back NCs. Zwick became a pariah and suffered from shell - shock around the team. But the mechanics that kid had were so far beyond anything TWHPIH ver hoped to have. A dark stain on the Tressel legacy that according to some close to the man say still bothers him because he knows the quality person Zwick is compared to the punk TWHPIH turned out to be.
• krambman

  

  Tiernan;598846 wrote:^^^
  OK fine...I'll blame him for those too. TWHPIH lost 4 NCs for the Buckeyes.
  
  Tress is a great coach and makes few mistakes as grave as replacing Zwick just because Hamby can't catch a pass his grandmother probably doesn't miss. I will maintain until I die that had Hamby caught that pass, we never hear of TWHPIH again, Bucks beat both TX and PSU and roll undefeated the following year too with back to back NCs. Zwick became a pariah and suffered from shell - shock around the team. But the mechanics that kid had were so far beyond anything TWHPIH ver hoped to have. A dark stain on the Tressel legacy that according to some close to the man say still bothers him because he knows the quality person Zwick is compared to the punk TWHPIH turned out to be.

  
  Pardon my ignorance but what does TWHPIH mean?
  
  I agree that Zwick should have stayed in during the Texas game in 2005 and if he had I do believe that we would have won that game, however, I also don't have any doubt in my mind that Smith would have been the starter the following week (or even had Zwick started the following week Smith would have come in and played the majority of the time and been starting the next week). The problem for Smith against Texas was that it was his first game of the season. If that game was the following week I think he probably would have played better. Smith had earned the starting job by the end of the previous year and proved that he deserved to be the starter with his performance against Michigan that year (arguably the greatest single performance by an OSU player in the history of the rivalry). I think it was also very clear that while Zwick had better mechanics Troy brought another element to the offense with his running ability (which was desperately needed in 2004 when Lydell Ross was our running back) and it seemed VERY obvious to me and most covering the team at the time that Troy was a better leader and that the offensive players responded better to him in the huddle. Mechanically Troy may not have been the better QB, but he had more of the intangibles than Zwick did. Even if Zwick played the majority of the Texas game giving the Bucks the win (which I believe would have happened) I still believe that Smith would have eventually become the starter again. It's hard to argue against a guy who won by the largest landslide in Heisman Trophy history.
  
  The truth is though that we don't know what would have happened. Maybe we still would have lost to Texas and Penn State and maybe even Michigan if Zwick had been the starter. Maybe we would have beaten Texas if Smith would have started and played the whole game if Zwick had remained o the sidelines. We just don't know and all we can do is speculate on what could have been. But let's be honest, Joe Montana in his prime could have started against Florida and OSU still would have lost by two scores.
• vball10set

  TWHPIH= The Worst Heisman Pick In History
• krambman

  

  vball10set;600578 wrote:TWHPIH= The Worst Heisman Pick In History

  
  Gotcha. Yeah, receiving the highest percentage of first place votes and winning by the largest margin in the history of the award clearly makes you the worst Heisman pick in history.
• Tiernan

  "Joe Montana in his prime could have started against Florida and OSU still would have lost by two scores."
  
  Maybe...but if TWHPIH hadn't gained 25 lbs over the Christmas break eating munchies after smoking ganja every night until dawn after screwing his teammates girlfriends, we might just have had a better shot. There are some fairly substantiated rumors out there he also took FL and the points on a sizable bet. We'll probably never know for sure, but until then I'm very comfortable referring to this POS as TWHPIH forever.
• vball10set

  krambman;600836 wrote:Gotcha. Yeah, receiving the highest percentage of first place votes and winning by the largest margin in the history of the award clearly makes you the worst Heisman pick in history.

  I agree, but you'll always have the haters.
• Tiernan

  vball10set;600878 wrote:I agree, but you'll always have the haters.

  I know I know VBall...you are usually right on target with most things Buckeye and I respect your opinion. And I can see where you think I'm just a hater. But the sad fact is TWHPIH has been able to con almost the entire Buckeye Nation since he came on the scene in 2004, I too at one time fell for his BS. But I'm telling you this guy was not a team player and it was all about what he could get individually out of the program. Awarding him the Heisman was a mockery to players like Gonzalez and Hawk. AJ has even said publically he longs for the day he can line up across from TWHPIH in the NFL. Teammates know each other and this guy was not well liked in the Buckeye lockeroom.
• vball10set

  Tiernan, believe it or not I agree with a lot of the things you are saying, but that doesn't make him TWHPIH. Based on his stats and how he led his team to an undefeated regular season, he deserved to hoist the Heisman Trophy that year. Now, what he did in the locker room and how he disappointed in the NC is another story, but IMO that doesn't diminish what he did for us during the 2006 season.