ACC vs Big 10 Challenge

• Fly4Fun

  

  september63;585396 wrote:That wasnt the overall question. It was which conference was better THIS year!! Ill give you a point for trolling (which according to you, IS taking a topic off subject) Now you see how stupid your basement thing looks? And you are the one to judge us on trolling?

  
  Quit your bitching. We all judge trolling. And what wildcats posted wouldn't constitute trolling. He was bringing something up for discussion. A posters history will go a long way in determining if a person is trolling. For example, look at Capone, Sleeper, etc. Those guys with a history of just trying to cause problems will be the ones affected by this.
  
  If a person is normally a reasonable person and presents a conflicting opinion in a reasonable manner than there is nothing to worry about.
  
  If however the person gets on a thread reasonable thread and just goes off:
  
  "Blah, Michigan sucks. Worst program ever. Ever Michigan poster needs to go die in a fire... blah blah blah, etc."
  
  Then we will look at that and determine whether or not it deserves a point. And remember a first time infraction, isn't going to get someone banished for eternity to the troll forum. We are working with a tiered system that is forgiving over time.
• Fly4Fun

  

  wildcats20;585404 wrote:I'm not hating.
  
  The B10 is tough, we all know that. And yes they have won the challenge 2 years in a row. But some on here are acting like the B10 is the greatest thing since sliced bread. This was the 12th year of the challenge. And the B10 has won it twice.
  
  I'm not trying to disregard what the B10 did this year, but it's not like they won it 8-3 or something like that, it was 6-5. With a few games that could have easily went the other way.

  
  The few games that could have easily have gone the other way would probably swing the B10's way. I believe Iowa's opponent needed a buzzer beater 3 to win. And Minnesota was missing 2 starters. I think it's easier to imagine it might have been 8-3 than in the ACC's favor.
  
  But I agree that JohnGrizzly's post is dumb for stating that the Big 10 "pounded" the ACC. The Big 10 won the challenge in a convincing way, but I don't think it was a pounding.
• wildcats20

  

  Iowa lost on a buzzer beater 3, yes. But had it missed, it goes to OT as it was tied.
  Va Tech could have easily beat Purdue(not beat easily), but they sorta, kinda choked also.
  Michigan got a big time win at Clemson, but that easily could have been a win for Clemson also.
  
  So if Va Tech wins and Clemson win, no one would be talking about how great the B10 is. Which would be a shame, because I do think it is the toughest(not totally sold on best) conference in the country.
  
  I was surprised that some of the wins were by insane amounts. Ga Tech is down and Northwestern is a very good team this year; but who really saw them beating Tech by 20? Then there is the Wisky obliteration of State(which I LOVED lol). Maryland's dismantling of PSU. I really can't remember there being any lopsided games like that before.
• wildcats20

  

  I'm really not trying to degrade the B10 at all. So if it comes through that way, it's not meant.
• september63

  

  Cats should remember me. I sometimes poke at ppl, but try not to get venemous!! I just dont like the random "troll" idea. Ill survive.
• johngrizzly

  "But I agree that JohnGrizzly's post is dumb for stating that the Big 10 "pounded" the ACC."
  
  Take it how you want. Think about it. ACC is the worst it's been in many of our lifetimes. The Big Ten is estatic over how good their league is this year and it ended up 6-5. It reminds me of the locusts, they come around about every 17 years.
• Laley23

  

  Am I the only one who thought/saw Johngrizzley was being sarcastic?
• Laley23

  

  lol, as I post I see his post above mine. I guess it was sarcastic afterall!
• Laley23

  

  btw, Wildcats, Id say you listed the 4 swing games. But Michigan was actually up pretty handily most of the game. VTech couldve won. But overall, the 2 swing games that REALLY were swing games did go the ACCs way. Purdue and UofM were more convincing in their wins than Wake and Virginia. Although Virginia really played a solid 2nd half.
• Fly4Fun

  

  johngrizzly;585612 wrote:"But I agree that JohnGrizzly's post is dumb for stating that the Big 10 "pounded" the ACC."
  
  Take it how you want. Think about it. ACC is the worst it's been in many of our lifetimes. The Big Ten is estatic over how good their league is this year and it ended up 6-5. It reminds me of the locusts, they come around about every 17 years.

  
  No you don't even make sense unless your post about the BIg 10 pounding the ACC was sarcastic.
  
  But To say once every 17 years would be false... it's 2 years in a row now. And like I said earlier, it easily could have been 8-3.
  
  The Big 10 played well and is obviously one of the top if not the best conference this year.
• johngrizzly

  Fly4Fun;585654 wrote:No you don't even make sense unless your post about the BIg 10 pounding the ACC was sarcastic.
  
  But To say once every 17 years would be false... it's 2 years in a row now. And like I said earlier, it easily could have been 8-3.
  
  The Big 10 played well and is obviously one of the top if not the best conference this year.

  
  2 out of 12, both by 6-5 margins, both Big Ten wins when the ACC hit rock bottom by their standards. ACC fans are like"damn man, the Big Ten beat us, we suck!"
  
  Cousin Eddie to ACC "Shidder's full, Merry Christmas"
  
  But congrats on your back to back 6-5 wins over the hapless ACC.
  
  Big Ten, best conference? I'm going out on a limb here but as long as the current Big East stays together, they have the gauntlet. They always have 12-13 teams in the NCAA hunt, but then again, they are a megaconference.
  
  But hey, you guys pick up Nebraska next year, that'll help.
• Big Gain

  september63;585456 wrote:Cats should remember me. I sometimes poke at ppl, but try not to get venemous!! I just dont like the random "troll" idea. Ill survive.

  
  Wanting to, having to, "sometimes poke at ppl" might not be trolling, but it's surely a juvenile practice.
• swamisez

  

  Someone mentioned the competitiveness of ACC football and said it was terrible compared to the Big Ten.
  While it hasn't been stellar.....
  
  National Championship Game Appearances since creation of BCS in 1998
  FSU (lost national title in 1998 to Tennessee)
  FSU (won national title in 1999)
  FSU (lost national title in 2000)
  Miami (won national title in 2001)
  Miami (lost national title in 2002)
  
  While not much has happened since 2002
  ACC has 5 National Title game appearances by two teams, with 2 national titles
  
  The Big Ten
  2002 Ohio State (won)
  2006 Ohio State (loss)
  2007 Ohio State (loss)
  
  Big Ten 3 appearances, one national title and two losses.
  
  Now performance in all of the games, ACC has not performed. But overall, neither has the Big Ten.
  The BCS is very dispersed in terms of how well conferences have fared. The only conference with a winning record...you guessed it, the SEC.
• Prescott

  Miami (won national title in 2001)
  Miami (lost national title in 2002)

  I don't think Miami joined the ACC until 2004.
  
  
  Do you guys really think that a challenge like the Big 10/ACC challenge proves anything about the conferences. If the games were played at neutral sites , they might mean a little something. But, as it is, this challenge doesn't prove anything for either conference.
• Heretic

  

  Prescott;586423 wrote:I don't think Miami joined the ACC until 2004.
  
  
  Do you guys really think that a challenge like the Big 10/ACC challenge proves anything about the conferences. If the games were played at neutral sites , they might mean a little something. But, as it is, this challenge doesn't prove anything for either conference.

  
  RE: Miami. That is correct. The ACC has 3 National Title games by two teams with one victory. Miami's appearances and win are Big East property.
  
  RE: Big 10/ACC challenge. Other than fun early-season bullshitting ("Fuckin' A, beat those ACC Duke Vitale bitches!!!"), it means nothing much to me as far as conferences proving themselves. It'd be one thing if one conference white-washes the other, but when it's in the 6-5/7-4 margin, it doesn't say much. I think I gathered things like, "Whoa! The Big 10 blew out their ACC opponent in a few games!" and "Penn State must really suck to lose like that!", but it all revolved more around individual match-ups as opposed to one conference being superior or not based on the Northwestern or Wisconsin demolition of their opponent.
• Terry_Tate

  

  swamisez;586405 wrote:Someone mentioned the competitiveness of ACC football and said it was terrible compared to the Big Ten.
  While it hasn't been stellar.....
  
  National Championship Game Appearances since creation of BCS in 1998
  FSU (lost national title in 1998 to Tennessee)
  FSU (won national title in 1999)
  FSU (lost national title in 2000)
  Miami (won national title in 2001)
  Miami (lost national title in 2002)
  
  While not much has happened since 2002
  ACC has 5 National Title game appearances by two teams, with 2 national titles
  
  The Big Ten
  2002 Ohio State (won)
  2006 Ohio State (loss)
  2007 Ohio State (loss)
  
  Big Ten 3 appearances, one national title and two losses.
  
  Now performance in all of the games, ACC has not performed. But overall, neither has the Big Ten.
  The BCS is very dispersed in terms of how well conferences have fared. The only conference with a winning record...you guessed it, the SEC.

  
  The ACC is 2-10(not including Miami and Va Tech) whereas the Big Ten is 10-11 in BCS games. Those are vastly different degrees of "not performing" in BCS games.
• centralbucksfan

  Prescott;586423 wrote:I don't think Miami joined the ACC until 2004.
  
  
  Do you guys really think that a challenge like the Big 10/ACC challenge proves anything about the conferences. If the games were played at neutral sites , they might mean a little something. But, as it is, this challenge doesn't prove anything for either conference.

  Not sure where your going with the site comment. I mean the ACC had home court in 6 of the 11 games. And the actualy outcome of this, 6-5 Big Ten migh not mean much. But its quite obvious, just by watching these games...that besides Duke, the Big Ten its flat out a better conference top to bottom. The ACC should feel fortunate and good it was only 6-5 to be honest.
• Prescott

  But its quite obvious, just by watching these games...that besides Duke,

  I agree, but not based on anything I saw in the Big 10/ACC Challenge