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jordo212000

With Auburn and Oregon (and TCU) all Idle this week, I couldn't help but feel like this week was really meaningless. It seemed like there was nothing riding on this week's games. The Ohio State-Iowa game was about the most meaningful game out there, and it pretty much only decided if Ohio State could still stake a claim to a big money bowl.

My point is, how can people argue that the bowl setup makes the regular season "more" meaningful? Wouldn't have been more exciting if LSU and Ohio State HAD to win their games to make the playoffs? Wouldn't each matchup not involving TCU, Oregon, or Auburn get infinitely more exciting?

What about the other games around the country? How meaningful are they at this point? Texas A&M can play for the right to play in the Microcomputers.com Bowl presented by Papa John's. That's reeeeallly exciting there.

enigmaax

jordo212000;568103 wrote:With Auburn and Oregon (and TCU) all Idle this week, I couldn't help but feel like this week was really meaningless. It seemed like there was nothing riding on this week's games. The Ohio State-Iowa game was about the most meaningful game out there, and it pretty much only decided if Ohio State could still stake a claim to a big money bowl.

My point is, how can people argue that the bowl setup makes the regular season "more" meaningful? Wouldn't have been more exciting if LSU and Ohio State HAD to win their games to make the playoffs? Wouldn't each matchup not involving TCU, Oregon, or Auburn get infinitely more exciting?

What about the other games around the country? How meaningful are they at this point? Texas A&M can play for the right to play in the Microcomputers.com Bowl presented by Papa John's. That's reeeeallly exciting there.

Though the chances are slim, LSU and Ohio State are still alive in the national title picture. And I agree that it's been kind of a boring weekend with so many highly ranked teams off, but what would Texas A&M be playing for if there wasn't a bowl game? Also, it is boring mostly because everyone is holding serve. Next weekend could be a completely different story - Auburn, Oregon, Boise, and LSU (just off the top of my head) all play ranked teams. What if they all lose? Then suddenly it is wide open again.

jordo212000

Basically my point was that other teams who aren't currently in line to play in a money bowl really aren't playing for anything, yet the valuable regular season is something critics cling to. Basically unless you like Oregon or Auburn you really can only hope for either of them to slip up. If that doesn't happen, hello anti-climactic finish to your season.

darbypitcher22

next weekend is going to be an absolutely wild weekend

enigmaax

Okay, but again, what would those teams be playing for otherwise? You still have 8 teams or so clinging to hopes of a national title, over 20 still with shots at those big money games, and how many more trying to get bowl eligible? If there were an 8 team playoff, how much would league championships matter (there wouldn't be room for autobids for everyone) and what would all those teams who weren't going to make it be playing for?

2quik4u

also showed a overrated lsu defense

jordo212000

enigmaax;568281 wrote:Okay, but again, what would those teams be playing for otherwise? You still have 8 teams or so clinging to hopes of a national title, over 20 still with shots at those big money games, and how many more trying to get bowl eligible? If there were an 8 team playoff, how much would league championships matter (there wouldn't be room for autobids for everyone) and what would all those teams who weren't going to make it be playing for?

I know the Texas A&M's of the world still aren't playing for anything, but like I said people defend the regular season and claim that "every week, every game matters" when that is actually false.

I really don't care about the who conference championship game thing, if they go away I could really care less. I care more about a consequential end to the season where things are settled on the field.

The teams who don't make the playoffs would be playing for the same thing they are playing for now. Nothing. However the 8-12 teams who do make the playoffs will get to keep playing and show us fans who really "deserves" to be the champion.

enigmaax

jordo212000;568305 wrote:I know the Texas A&M's of the world still aren't playing for anything, but like I said people defend the regular season and claim that "every week, every game matters" when that is actually false.

I really don't care about the who conference championship game thing, if they go away I could really care less. I care more about a consequential end to the season where things are settled on the field.

The teams who don't make the playoffs would be playing for the same thing they are playing for now. Nothing. However the 8-12 teams who do make the playoffs will get to keep playing and show us fans who really "deserves" to be the champion.

I understand that YOU want a playoff. But the "need" for a playoff isn't supported by your point that teams are playing for nothing. A lot of teams are playing for something, which is better than nothing even if it doesn't make YOU interested in those games.

FairwoodKing

If Auburn, Oregon, Boise, and TCU all win out, then we will never know who really deserved to be national champ. It is clearly time for a playoff with at least eight teams participating.

like_that

jordo212000;568103 wrote:With Auburn and Oregon (and TCU) all Idle this week, I couldn't help but feel like this week was really meaningless. It seemed like there was nothing riding on this week's games. The Ohio State-Iowa game was about the most meaningful game out there, and it pretty much only decided if Ohio State could still stake a claim to a big money bowl.

My point is, how can people argue that the bowl setup makes the regular season "more" meaningful? Wouldn't have been more exciting if LSU and Ohio State HAD to win their games to make the playoffs? Wouldn't each matchup not involving TCU, Oregon, or Auburn get infinitely more exciting?

What about the other games around the country? How meaningful are they at this point? Texas A&M can play for the right to play in the Microcomputers.com Bowl presented by Papa John's. That's reeeeallly exciting there.

Good post. I never really thought of it in these terms. Just another reason why the current system is a joke.

HitsRus

There really is no excuse for there not being a playoff. Easily the first round of a 6 or 8 team playoff could be held the first week of December, with the final 4 being matched up in the traditional Bowl games on Jan1. Championship game to follow a week to 10 days later.

BCS rankings could still be used to determine the top 8.....if you ain't in the top eight, you don't deserve a shot anyway.

This year, more than ever, obviates the need for the NC to be won on the field.

jordo212000

FairwoodKing;568550 wrote:If Auburn, Oregon, Boise, and TCU all win out, then we will never know who really deserved to be national champ. It is clearly time for a playoff with at least eight teams participating.

Long shot, but what if Auburn AND Oregon lose a game before bowl season starts? Do Boise and TCU play? Probably not, but if it does happen, we can be assured of a playoff haha. My guess is that Boise would get one spot and then the most impressive 1 loss team over the next 2 weeks will get pushed past TCU.

That would be a real mess there. Boise and TCU undefeated, and the Oregon, Auburn, Ohio State, Stanford, Oklahoma State, and LSU all with one loss.

vball10set

no, because CFB was being played, and the Buckeyes won....'nuff said

enigmaax

jordo212000;568813 wrote:Long shot, but what if Auburn AND Oregon lose a game before bowl season starts? Do Boise and TCU play? Probably not, but if it does happen, we can be assured of a playoff haha. My guess is that Boise would get one spot and then the most impressive 1 loss team over the next 2 weeks will get pushed past TCU.

That would be a real mess there. Boise and TCU undefeated, and the Oregon, Auburn, Ohio State, Stanford, Oklahoma State, and LSU all with one loss.

Yeah, I imagine Boise is a lock if one of the top two falter. Doubt TCU is going to make it over any of those 1-loss teams if Boise is already in the title game. Auburn might be able to work its way back in if they lose to Alabama but then win the SEC, especially if Oregon loses as well - but I don't know if they could overcome a loss to South Carolina.

You left Wisconsin off that list of 1-loss teams.

jordo212000

Long shot, but what if Auburn AND Oregon lose a game before bowl season starts? Do Boise and TCU play? Probably not, but if it does happen, we can be assured of a playoff haha. My guess is that Boise would get one spot and then the most impressive 1 loss team over the next 2 weeks will get pushed past TCU.

That would be a real mess there. Boise and TCU undefeated, and the Oregon, Auburn, Ohio State, Stanford, Oklahoma State, and LSU all with one loss.

Yeah, I imagine Boise is a lock if one of the top two falter. Doubt TCU is going to make it over any of those 1-loss teams if Boise is already in the title game. Auburn might be able to work its way back in if they lose to Alabama but then win the SEC, especially if Oregon loses as well - but I don't know if they could overcome a loss to South Carolina.

You left Wisconsin off that list of 1-loss teams.

Yeah forgot about Wisky. Obviously as long as they have 1 loss, Ohio state will be on the outside looking in.

Al Bundy

jordo212000;569419 wrote:Yeah forgot about Wisky. Obviously as long as they have 1 loss, Ohio state will be on the outside looking in.

MSU is also in that 1 loss group and have a win over Wisc.

enigmaax

Al Bundy;569439 wrote:MSU is also in that 1 loss group and have a win over Wisc.

But Michigan State doesn't have a remote shot at the title game amongst the one loss teams. They could get into the Rose Bowl with an OSU upset loss, but there's no way they'd move into the title game even if Oregon and Auburn get beat once.

Al Bundy

enigmaax;569693 wrote:But Michigan State doesn't have a remote shot at the title game amongst the one loss teams. They could get into the Rose Bowl with an OSU upset loss, but there's no way they'd move into the title game even if Oregon and Auburn get beat once.

OSU doesn't have a shot either. I thought you were just listing all 1 loss teams.

enigmaax

Al Bundy;569704 wrote:OSU doesn't have a shot either. I thought you were just listing all 1 loss teams.

Gotcha. It is certainly a stretch for most of those teams, OSU included, but a crazy last few weeks similar to 2007 and they are much closer to the action. I don't think any amount of craziness is going to get Michigan State into the conversation again - Alabama with 2 losses would stay ahead of them in the BCS. For that matter, Arkansas would probably pass them with a win over LSU. The other one loss teams still have upward mobility with a little help.

Al Bundy

enigmaax;569728 wrote:Gotcha. It is certainly a stretch for most of those teams, OSU included, but a crazy last few weeks similar to 2007 and they are much closer to the action. I don't think any amount of craziness is going to get Michigan State into the conversation again - Alabama with 2 losses would stay ahead of them in the BCS. For that matter, Arkansas would probably pass them with a win over LSU. The other one loss teams still have upward mobility with a little help.

For OSU to get there, I think they need to win and 6 of the 7 listed below have to happen.

1. Auburn lose twice.
2. Oregon lose.
3. TCU lose.
4. Boise lose.
5. Wisconsin lose.
6. Stanford lose.
7. LSU lose.

sherm03

HitsRus;568758 wrote:There really is no excuse for there not being a playoff. Easily the first round of a 6 or 8 team playoff could be held the first week of December, with the final 4 being matched up in the traditional Bowl games on Jan1. Championship game to follow a week to 10 days later.

BCS rankings could still be used to determine the top 8.....if you ain't in the top eight, you don't deserve a shot anyway.

This year, more than ever, obviates the need for the NC to be won on the field.

This is my favorite argument that people clamoring for a playoff use because it is absolutely stupid. Basically, you are saying that the BCS is good enough to pick the top 8 teams...but not good enough to pick the top 2 teams. That makes no sense. If you the BCS doesn't work...you can't use it to decide your playoff teams. And how are you going to get all the conferences to sign off on the fact that their conference champion might not make the playoffs? Right now the playoffs would be nothing but PAC 10, Big 10, SEC, and Boise and TCU. So no Big 12 teams, no Big East, no ACC. Good luck getting those conferences to sign off on THAT deal!

Yes, Saturday was not as exciting. But when was the last time the top 4 teams were all off on the same week this late in the season? I don't remember it happening in my lifetime.

The regular season still means something. If Ohio State lost yesterday, they could punch their ticket to the Capital One bowl. Instead, they were in a must win to keep their hopes of a BCS bowl alive.

On the other side of the coin. The Iron Bowl would be absolutely pointless this year if there were a playoff because Alabama probably wouldn't climb high enough if they won...and Auburn wouldn't fall enough if they lost.

So yes, the regular season is still extremely important for the teams still looking for a big money bowl. A playoff would just mean that these last few weeks are completely pointless.

HitsRus

This is my favorite argument that people clamoring for a playoff use because it is absolutely stupid. Basically, you are saying that the BCS is good enough to pick the top 8 teams...but not good enough to pick the top 2 teams. That makes no sense.

That makes perfect sense. The BCS is probably as good a system as there can be without actually deciding things on the field....and it works to a great extent.
If there is a weakness, it is in seperating a teams place or two apart. Better to quibble over # 9 or #8 who would still have to win 2 games on the field if they qualify just to play in the NC , then determining who actually plays the one championship game that determines the title.?

Very simply...and I'll type slow so you understand....

If you aren't good enough to own the eight spot outright, then you have no one to blame but...

1) yourself for not playing well enough during your season
2) your AD for scheduling a cupcake schedule
3) your candy ass conference for being too weak.

A playoff would just mean that these last few weeks are completely pointless

FAIL
if there were a playoff and 8 teams would be taken, these last few weeks would be crazy exciting as 6 to ten teams would be vying for those last few spots....in the "big money Bowls"

sherm03

HitsRus;570268 wrote:That makes perfect sense. The BCS is probably as good a system as there can be without actually deciding things on the field....and it works to a great extent.
If there is a weakness, it is in seperating a teams place or two apart. Better to quibble over # 9 or #8 who would still have to win 2 games on the field if they qualify just to play in the NC , then determining who actually plays the one championship game that determines the title.?

Very simply...and I'll type slow so you understand....

If you aren't good enough to own the eight spot outright, then you have no one to blame but...

1) yourself for not playing well enough during your season
2) your AD for scheduling a cupcake schedule
3) your candy ass conference for being too weak.

I could say the same thing about the current system. If you aren't good enough to own one of the top 2 spots outright...blame the same three factors as you mentioned.

HitsRus;570268 wrote:FAIL
if there were a playoff and 8 teams would be taken, these last few weeks would be crazy exciting as 6 to ten teams would be vying for those last few spots....in the "big money Bowls"

If there's a playoff...Cam Newton sees MAYBE one half of action in this week's game against Alabama. Why risk an injury when you've got a spot in the playoffs locked up? It happens every year in the NFL. Why would it be any different in college? In college, each week could cost you your season. And it's the only sport that is like that. That's what makes it so special.

So I'm glad you typed that message slower. It made it easier to poke holes in the argument.

trep14

There is no way Auburn would rest their starters this week if there was an 8 team playoff they were trying to qualify for. Team #10 in the BCS standings (michigan state) has 1 loss. And its true each week could cost you your season...if you are Auburn and Oregon. If you are Boise State or TCU, you have already done everything asked of you but even if you win out from this point on, as long as Auburn and Oregon keep winning, you aren't sniffing a chance at a national title.

Also, there is a huge difference between using the BCS to pick 8 spots vs using it to pick 2 spots. 8 spots gives you a much greater chance of actually crowning the best team as the national champion. Sorry, but no one will ever convince me that Ohio State in 2006 or 2007 was one of the two best teams in the nation and that they wouldn't have been exposed in the first round of a playoff. Ditto for Oklahoma in 2004, Nebraska in 2001, etc.

sherm03

trep14;570430 wrote:There is no way Auburn would rest their starters this week if there was an 8 team playoff they were trying to qualify for. Team #10 in the BCS standings (michigan state) has 1 loss. And its true each week could cost you your season...if you are Auburn and Oregon. If you are Boise State or TCU, you have already done everything asked of you but even if you win out from this point on, as long as Auburn and Oregon keep winning, you aren't sniffing a chance at a national title.

Auburn would absolutely rest their starters for at least a half if they were trying to make a playoff. You are playing the #11 team in the country. Even if you lose...you fall to MAYBE 6. There's no way they would fall out of the top 8 for that. And to your point about Boise State and TCU...I'll just direct you to HitsRus' three things to blame if you are on the outside looking in...particularly #3.

trep14;570430 wrote:Also, there is a huge difference between using the BCS to pick 8 spots vs using it to pick 2 spots. 8 spots gives you a much greater chance of actually crowning the best team as the national champion. Sorry, but no one will ever convince me that Ohio State in 2006 or 2007 was one of the two best teams in the nation and that they wouldn't have been exposed in the first round of a playoff. Ditto for Oklahoma in 2004, Nebraska in 2001, etc.

No difference in my eyes. You have 10 teams right now that are either undefeated or have 1 loss. How can you honestly say that one deserves a spot in the playoffs over the other two? Why is it OK to count people out when it fits your scenario...but not when it doesn't help your case? And you may not believe that Ohio State, Oklahoma, or Nebraska were the best teams those years...but no one will ever convince me that UC deserved a shot last year just because they were undefeated.

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