Coaches Poll - 11/14

• Cleveland Buck

  

  Oregon State is also the best win on Washington State's schedule, but that's because it is their only win against an FBS team this year.
• hoops23

  

  Cleveland Buck;559284 wrote:Oregon State is also the best win on Washington State's schedule, but that's because it is their only win against an FBS team this year.

  
  BOOM!
• enigmaax

  Cleveland Buck;559284 wrote:Oregon State is also the best win on Washington State's schedule, but that's because it is their only win against an FBS team this year.

  
  Exactly. So someone remind me why Boise and TCU are still in the national title conversation when that is the best they can come up with for a "key win".
• Pick6

  

  I think Boise's key win is va tech...tcu on the other hand...
• enigmaax

  Pick6;559462 wrote:I think Boise's key win is va tech...tcu on the other hand...

  
  Yeah, thats the point. That is one. Oregon State is still their second best win, but after that game people said, "What more do they have to do to prove themselves?" Va Tech is a good win, though not great and after that you'll have more than a handful of teams who may have one loss, but also who have 6-8 better wins aside from that one.
  
  Though I know Nevada is going to ultimately come up....just like Utah did.
• ytownfootball

  

  But, but...they play on a Blue field, ya'll are just haters.
• jordo212000

  

  Let me preface this by saying I hate the BCS and I usually defend Boise... but with the current system, it is pretty obvious that Oregon and Auburn are both more deserving. IMO Boise could beat either of them, but that really isn't how the system currently works. All are undefeated and all things equal, the Auburn and Oregon have played tougher schedules. They get in easily over Boise.
  
  However if either slips up (or Auburn gets nailed by the NCAA) Boise is sitting there waiting. Of the 1 loss teams, all of them are flawed in one way or another. Boise is better than all of the 1 loss teams IMO.
• enigmaax

  jordo212000;559766 wrote:Let me preface this by saying I hate the BCS and I usually defend Boise... but with the current system, it is pretty obvious that Oregon and Auburn are both more deserving. IMO Boise could beat either of them, but that really isn't how the system currently works. All are undefeated and all things equal, the Auburn and Oregon have played tougher schedules. They get in easily over Boise.
  
  However if either slips up (or Auburn gets nailed by the NCAA) Boise is sitting there waiting. Of the 1 loss teams, all of them are flawed in one way or another. Boise is better than all of the 1 loss teams IMO.

  Agree with all of your first paragraph. On your second paragraph though, I guess you are saying Boise State isn't flawed? They beat Va Tech by what, 3...on a last second TD. They beat Oregon State by about two TDs. And then they've looked flawless against lower tier teams that have an overall record of something like 22-45. I'm not typically one to compare scores or get into the this team beat this team that beat this team, but here are some other teams that looked or would look flawless against Boise's schedule:
  
  Boise beat Wyoming 51-6...Wyoming lost to New Mexico...Oregon beat New Mexico 72-0
  Boise beat NM State 59-0...Kansas, who lost to FCS ND State beat NM State 42-16
  Boise beat Toledo 57-14...Toledo is a decent team at 6-4, right...Arizona beat them 41-2
  Boise beat SJ State 48-0...everyone's new biggest fraud Utah beat them 56-3, Alabama nearly matched Boise at 48-3 (I know, Wisconsin struggled with them)
  Boise beat Louisiana Tech 49-20...Tech also scored 20 against Grambling and was dominated by Texas A&M 48-16 and scored 12 against Southern Miss
  Boise dominated Hawaii (42-7)...and so did that horrible Colorado team (31-13)
  
  So, just to pick out a few of those names - how would Kansas, Colorado, Texas A&M, or Arizona do by playing a schedule like Boise's? How would 2-loss Alabama do against Boise's schedule? I mean, they've got a win comparable to Va Tech (8-2 Arkansas), three better-than-Oregon State wins (Penn State, Florida, Mississippi State), and a couple comparable to (under .500) Oregon State wins (Mississippi, Tennessee). What if they got to replace 7-3 South Carolina and 9-1 LSU with Hawaii and Toledo? Which one of those teams would have "exposed" Bama?
• jordo212000

  

  I don't think you can play the side by side comparison game. So many times Team A will beat Team B, Team B will beat Team C, and then Team C beats Team A. There are so many variables to each game (injuries, flow of the game, how big of a jerk the head coach is of the team blowing out the other, etc). Just because Utah beats somebody by 58 doesn't necessarily mean that Boise couldn't have. Maybe Peterson called off the dogs soon than Whittingham?
  
  For me, Boise passes the eye-ball test. When I watch them play I can tell they are really talented regardless of who they are playing. They have 2 great WR, a great QB, a couple pretty good RBs, and pretty nice defense. They also returned a lot of starters this season, so the BCS bowl winning team from last year has largely returned. IMO they are without a doubt a Top 5 team.
  
  You can disagree, and you probably will, but that's just my $0.02
• enigmaax

  I'm just saying that what you're eyeballs see is in direct correlation with the level of competition they are playing. Boise showed flaws against Virginia Tech and Oregon State. They won those games and that is great for them. Pretty much all of those one loss teams have two wins of equal or greater value. The rest of the season, yeah, Boise is going to look tremendous against that competition. They are a really good team, but any number of those other teams would look just as good - or good enough - if you applied that same eyeball test while they rolled through Wyoming, New Mexico State, San Jose State, et al. Alabama looked flawed (and lost) to teams that are a combined 16-4. Wisconsin beat one 9-1 team and lost to another 9-1 team. Stanford got smoked against Oregon, who is undefeated. All of these teams would pass your eye test in flying colors if they only played Boise's schedule - you never would have seen those flaws because the competition would have never been anywhere close to good enough to expose them. Thats where you are willing to give Boise a pass based on a skewed perception.
• Zombaypirate

  enigmaax;560913 wrote:I'm just saying that what you're eyeballs see is in direct correlation with the level of competition they are playing. Boise showed flaws against Virginia Tech and Oregon State. They won those games and that is great for them. Pretty much all of those one loss teams have two wins of equal or greater value. The rest of the season, yeah, Boise is going to look tremendous against that competition. They are a really good team, but any number of those other teams would look just as good - or good enough - if you applied that same eyeball test while they rolled through Wyoming, New Mexico State, San Jose State, et al. Alabama looked flawed (and lost) to teams that are a combined 16-4. Wisconsin beat one 9-1 team and lost to another 9-1 team. Stanford got smoked against Oregon, who is undefeated. All of these teams would pass your eye test in flying colors if they only played Boise's schedule - you never would have seen those flaws because the competition would have never been anywhere close to good enough to expose them. Thats where you are willing to give Boise a pass based on a skewed perception.

  I have to disagree. While some of the teams you have mentioned would run the table (maybe) VT and Oregon St are capable of winning against those teams. Boise St has a Qb that is the most accurate in college football. His QB rating might end up being the greatest of all time. You can say competition all you like but it falls of deaf ears as there have been many many hundreds of Qb's that have played similar schedules but have failed to put up the numbers that Kellen Moore has achieved.
  
  They pass the eyeball test on their precision of play against all their opponents. I bet Butler in NCAAm last year was simply lucky? No they were a superior playing team very much like Boise St is in football. The great thing about NCAAm is Butler was able to prove it on the court against the best of the best.
  
  I could be wrong and will happily be on the thread if and when Boise St loses and they will get a crack against an "alleged" tough team.
• ytownfootball

  

  I don't see how Moore having a great year against the provided competition is any different than "passing the eye test" (and for the record, he's pretty good). But Case Keenum put up monster numbers last season at Houston...monster numbers. His downfall? Playing at Houston and who Houston plays. It's the same damn thing. And for the love of all things holy stop comparing an NCAA sanctioned tournament to the BCS national championship game, they're not remotely similar.
• jordo212000

  

  ytownfootball;561737 wrote:I don't see how Moore having a great year against the provided competition is any different than "passing the eye test" (and for the record, he's pretty good). But Case Keenum put up monster numbers last season at Houston...monster numbers. His downfall? Playing at Houston and who Houston plays. It's the same damn thing. And for the love of all things holy stop comparing an NCAA sanctioned tournament to the BCS national championship game, they're not remotely similar.

  I'm not going to take this too far, because I realize what you were saying; QBs who play poor competition put up numbers... but Keenum's stats aren't nearly as remarkable as Moore's and Keenum has darn good stats.
  
  Keenum threw 15 INTs last season, Kellen Moore has thrown 17 total in 2+ seasons. Keenum never had a passer rating of higher than 160. Moore's is currently 191.
  
  Like I said I realize you just threw a name out there, but I wanted to show just how good Moore is in comparison to Keenum.
• ytownfootball

  

  Fair enough, but I'd bet his attempts were a lot higher too. I'm specifically referencing how it relates to Heisman voting, which equates to the same thing.
  
  And I'm not saying he isn't good, just that like his team passes the eye test due to who they play, so does he.
• enigmaax

  Zombaypirate;561726 wrote:I have to disagree. While some of the teams you have mentioned would run the table (maybe) VT and Oregon St are capable of winning against those teams. Boise St has a Qb that is the most accurate in college football. His QB rating might end up being the greatest of all time. You can say competition all you like but it falls of deaf ears as there have been many many hundreds of Qb's that have played similar schedules but have failed to put up the numbers that Kellen Moore has achieved.
  

  
  Yes, Kellen Moore may just break Colt Brennan's single season passing efficiency record. I know Brennan set that record against one whale of a schedule also.
• the_system

  hoops23;558925 wrote:Yes.
  
  Texas went up 20-3.
  
  Held Nebraska to 202 yards of total offense (an offense that averages ~437 yards a game.)
  
  Nebraska's only TD came from a Punt Return late in the 4th quarter.
  
  Why, do you disagree that Texas went out and dominated that game?

  
  So you REALLY didn't watch the game then?
  
  The only domination going on was Nebraska dominating themselves. 4 dropped TDs and another inside the 10.
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXwhr-SkewE
  
  Fumbled inside their own 20 giving Texas a TD. Double the penalties and yardage. Through all of that they were still pretty close in total yardage and the game still went down to the wire, 20-13. It's almost inexplicable how Nebraska lost to Texas after they got on a top 10 OkState and beat up on #5 (6) at the time Missouri. If the huskers win out they will have wins against a #5, #15, #19, and another potential top 10 win over OkState again. I'm still convinced that IF they win out they will be the top rated 1-loss team and will have enough to jump BOTH tcu and bsu undefeated.
• Zombaypirate

  ytownfootball;561737 wrote:I don't see how Moore having a great year against the provided competition is any different than "passing the eye test" (and for the record, he's pretty good). But Case Keenum put up monster numbers last season at Houston...monster numbers. His downfall? Playing at Houston and who Houston plays. It's the same damn thing. And for the love of all things holy stop comparing an NCAA sanctioned tournament to the BCS national championship game, they're not remotely similar.

  
  You miss the point entirely. It is not about whether a bowl game and the NCAAm Tourney are similar it is the fact that Boise St and Butler are similar I only pointed out that in NCAAm there is a tourney to show that playing in an inferior conference means nothing, not one single point of importance. Butler played in an inferior conference yet took Duke to the limits. Boise St is Butler only on a football field. Boise St is a great team not only good but great and it will show come bowl time.
  
  It is a shame there is no tourney in D1 to showcase teams against teams instead of the false illusion of conferences.
• sjmvsfscs08

  enigmaax;559452 wrote:Exactly. So someone remind me why Boise and TCU are still in the national title conversation when that is the best they can come up with for a "key win".

  
  What is Ohio State's big win?
• enigmaax

  sjmvsfscs08;563058 wrote:What is Ohio State's big win?

  
  Well, not sure why you singled them out but assuming they win out, I'd take their Miami-Penn State-Michigan-Iowa combo (who should all end up with at least 7 wins) over Va Tech singularly. If Oregon State is a key win for Boise, then you'd also have to add Illinois and maybe Purdue and Indiana for OSU - all of whom may end up with just as many wins. And if you want to count Nevada for Boise, you probably have to add Ohio for OSU.
• jordo212000

  

  Va Tech beat Miami decisively tonight. But we can all just continue to chalk up Miami as "nice" win. Va Tech still sucks though even though they lost to James Madison haha... because you know that a team can never rebuild from a bad loss cough cough Michigan and finish strong
• Pick6

  

  jordo212000;568117 wrote:Va Tech beat Miami decisively tonight. But we can all just continue to chalk up Miami as "nice" win. Va Tech still sucks though even though they lost to James Madison haha... because you know that a team can never rebuild from a bad loss cough cough Michigan and finish strong

  
  they did not handle them "decisively". It was tied going into the 4th quarter..then vt scored 14. Not to mention Harris was out
• gerb131

  

  Va Tech sucks and always will suck. Dude JMU at home thats like Oh St losing to Capital.
• 2quik4u

  

  Pick6;568426 wrote:they did not handle them "decisively". It was tied going into the 4th quarter..then vt scored 14. Not to mention Harris was out

  
  lol using harris as a excuse, harris would have made the score even worse
• Pick6

  

  2quik4u;568473 wrote:lol using harris as a excuse, harris would have made the score even worse

  
  yea..thats why he is the starter..because he is worse than the backup. that makes a lot of sense