NCAA players to be fined?

• OQB

  

  http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5725836
  
  what do you guys think of this?
• ZombieKiller

  I like it...Pryor is screwed though
• pinstriper

  The way to fix this is to penalize the players from entering the NFL...if they take money, they cannot play in the NFL for 3 years (8 games will not do), that will eliminate most, if not all, money taken by players. Would you give up your signing bonus, along with 3 yrs of salary just because some sleezball agent offered you $50,000 or whatever? I wouldn't. Give amnesty to any player that has accepted money to this date, in exchange for information...and implement the policy starting Jan 1st, 2011.
• Trueblue23

  

  pinstriper;532702 wrote:The way to fix this is to penalize the players from entering the NFL...if they take money, they cannot play in the NFL for 3 years (8 games will not do), that will eliminate most, if not all, money taken by players. Would you give up your signing bonus, along with 3 yrs of salary just because some sleezball agent offered you $50,000 or whatever? I wouldn't. Give amnesty to any player that has accepted money to this date, in exchange for information...and implement the policy starting Jan 1st, 2011.

  
  No way that would fly.. would probably violate too many laws and stuff like that.
• wildcats20

  

  They won't be be NCAA players anymore.
  
  I don't really care what they do, but putting sanctions on the schools/teams is meaningless.
• karen lotz

  

  wildcats20;532734 wrote:They won't be be NCAA players anymore.
  
  I don't really care what they do, but putting sanctions on the schools/teams is meaningless.

  
  This. Agents need to lose their licenses and not for one or two years if they are found to be paying or even trying to pay college athletes. I know the players have to have some accountability but what really can be expected of them when there are these slimeballs offering them dufflebags full of cash?
• OQB

  

  I agree with you Karen....I would punish the Agents, before the players!
• pinstriper

  karen lotz;532746 wrote:This. Agents need to lose their licenses and not for one or two years if they are found to be paying or even trying to pay college athletes. I know the players have to have some accountability but what really can be expected of them when there are these slimeballs offering them dufflebags full of cash?

  
  Agreed, the agents need to be held accountable also...problem is that there will always be a market until you take the market away by elimnating the cash cow. The player is the cash cow. Eliminating the earning potentila of that cash cow will eliminate the need to cahs in on that earning potential. The majority of these agents aren't even agents, they are want-to-be agents, looking for the next big star (all it takes is 1). You eliminate the earning potential of that star by ineligibility to earn, then you eliminate the sleezballs. This is an NFL problem, not an NCAA problem, and they should police it.
• ytownfootball

  

  I don't think it's an NFL problem until more high profile guys like Saban and his remarks get some legs. Until it becomes a PR issue with the league, there's no sense in upsetting the apple cart with the cheapest farm system available.
• karen lotz

  

  Yeah while it might be an NFL problem, it certainly isn't hurting the league at all. Goodell was asked about what he would do about the agent problem and he pretty much brushed it off.
• pinstriper

  ytownfootball;532780 wrote:I don't think it's an NFL problem until more high profile guys like Saban and his remarks get some legs. Until it becomes a PR issue with the league, there's no sense in upsetting the apple cart with the cheapest farm system available.

  
  True, the only way it becomes an NFL problem is if the NCAA locks out all NFL personel from practices/sidelines until the NFL gets ahold of the agent problem.
• OQB

  

  The NFL uses college football to get players/make money, and college football uses athletes to make money...Why not get paid for your services that are earning these universities millions of dollars...
• trep14

  ytownfootball;532780 wrote:I don't think it's an NFL problem until more high profile guys like Saban and his remarks get some legs. Until it becomes a PR issue with the league, there's no sense in upsetting the apple cart with the cheapest farm system available.

  
  I don't really see the remarks from guys like Saban and other high profile coaches getting too much momentum. I laugh whenever I hear a high profile coach complain about agents, considering that the coaches are getting paid a ton of money off of these kids.
  
  Also, count me against any penalties to the players, whether it be retroactively fining them once they are in the pros or making them ineligible to enter the pros if they were found to be taking money. I can't hold it against the players when the NCAA and the system are making so much money off of them and they are supposed to be content with a scholarship so that they can major in "undecided" and get to the pros.
• ytownfootball

  

  Yeah, the fines at any point are bogus. Merely a thinly veiled attempt at deflection from the real issue that neither wish to acknowledge. And because it is such a symbiotic relationship it not at all surprising or unexpected that the two collude to this end.
• enigmaax

  trep14;532805 wrote:I don't really see the remarks from guys like Saban and other high profile coaches getting too much momentum. I laugh whenever I hear a high profile coach complain about agents, considering that the coaches are getting paid a ton of money off of these kids.
  
  Also, count me against any penalties to the players, whether it be retroactively fining them once they are in the pros or making them ineligible to enter the pros if they were found to be taking money. I can't hold it against the players when the NCAA and the system are making so much money off of them and they are supposed to be content with a scholarship so that they can major in "undecided" and get to the pros.

  
  The only thing I disagree with is that the coaches are getting paid a ton of money "off these kids". It isn't like its a one way street. I realize players aren't getting paid, per se, but tens of thousands to a hundred plus thousand dollars of scholarship money is something I'd have loved to have. Even if you throw that out, the fact is that the coaches making that cash also happen to be under extraordinary pressure to perform their jobs well...or be out of a job. Schools throw a bunch of money and long contracts at a coach and then a losing season or not fulfilling expectations and they're starting over somewhere else. Not to mention the tons and tons of hours spent on the job. And taking the hit every time a kid screws up. And they and their families living everyday with some public/national detractor scrutinizing every move and judging their character based on a tidbit here and there. They earn their money.
• thedynasty1998

  

  I hate the scholarship money argument. It's just so irrelevant to these guys. They'd much rather take out loans and be allowed to get paid.
  
  As for the fining of players, it is absolutely the worst idea ever. I just don't see that happening.
  
  Punish the agents or fine the schools. You have a kid from the ghetto playing college basketball in front of 15,000 screaming fans 30 games a year who is treated like a god on his campus. And when some agent approaches him with $1000 and he takes it he is going to get fined once he signs his NBA contract? Just stupid.
• enigmaax

  thedynasty1998;533130 wrote: I hate the scholarship money argument. It's just so irrelevant to these guys. They'd much rather take out loans and be allowed to get paid.

  I understand that, but it doesn't diminish the value. If it is irrelevant, why not just get rid of athletic scholarships entirely? Why don't more guys start going overseas or why doesn't someone start a "tweener" league for those guys who would otherwise go directly to the NBA (or who aren't college material)? The top guys get the direct benefit of exposure and the top guys are a very, very small percentage. For those who aren't top guys, that scholarship money means a hell of a lot more.
  

  thedynasty1998;533130 wrote:As for the fining of players, it is absolutely the worst idea ever. I just don't see that happening.
  
  Punish the agents or fine the schools. You have a kid from the ghetto playing college basketball in front of 15,000 screaming fans 30 games a year who is treated like a god on his campus. And when some agent approaches him with $1000 and he takes it he is going to get fined once he signs his NBA contract? Just stupid.

  
  Yeah, fining players is futile and will either never happen or will fail quickly.
  
  Personally, I don't believe schools should pay players, but I have no problem with players making their own living from outside sources. Obviously the program then becomes that schools/coaches can affiliate themselves with certain agents and gain recruiting advantages, but you know, America is kind of about business so big deal.
• thedynasty1998

  

  enigmaax;533147 wrote: The top guys get the direct benefit of exposure and the top guys are a very, very small percentage. For those who aren't top guys, that scholarship money means a hell of a lot more.

  
  Yea, I understand that. But we are talking about the elite players that are getting paid, and those are the guys whom free tuition doesn't mean much. They are not at "school" to attend class and get a degree, they are at "school" to use as a minor league system.
  
  If OSU opened their doors to the option of playing football, but not having to go to class, therefore no free tuition, it would be interesting to see how many guys actually did that.
• enigmaax

  thedynasty1998;533154 wrote:Yea, I understand that. But we are talking about the elite players that are getting paid, and those are the guys whom free tuition doesn't mean much. They are not at "school" to attend class and get a degree, they are at "school" to use as a minor league system.

  
  Agreed. My original response was to a comment that coaches "use" the players to make millions of dollars and that makes them kind of hypocritical for calling out agents.
  
  Players are using the system just the same and throwing away a shit ton of money that plenty of other people would love to have. I do not buy the woe-is-me line from the players at all. They know the rules when they sign up and there's not a whole heck of a lot of difference between what they're asked to do and what nearly every other college student in the world is asked to do. I know there's the whole, but they make money for the college, but that is very rarely an individual who does that. How long has OSU sold football tickets? You tell me one player whose presence exclusively determined whether or not people would attend OSU games.
• thedynasty1998

  

  enigmaax;533172 wrote:Agreed. My original response was to a comment that coaches "use" the players to make millions of dollars and that makes them kind of hypocritical for calling out agents.
  
  Players are using the system just the same and throwing away a shit ton of money that plenty of other people would love to have. I do not buy the woe-is-me line from the players at all. They know the rules when they sign up and there's not a whole heck of a lot of difference between what they're asked to do and what nearly every other college student in the world is asked to do. I know there's the whole, but they make money for the college, but that is very rarely an individual who does that. How long has OSU sold football tickets? You tell me one player whose presence exclusively determined whether or not people would attend OSU games.

  
  Greg Oden
• enigmaax

  thedynasty1998;533174 wrote:Greg Oden

  
  I'll take that, though I was talking about football (I know we've gone back and forth between football and basketball). Didn't he also happen to dick over the school and not even attend classes while he was playing the second half of the season? So again, he played the system just fine for his own needs and is a rich man despite the fact he's never going to be healthy enough to earn that money now. Is that a guy I'm supposed to feel sorry for the fact that OSU couldn't pay him?
• thedynasty1998

  

  I'm not saying to feel sorry for him. But even though he hurt the school's academic rating, he more than repaid it in revenue's earned.
  
  And yes, football and basketball are different, but both are revenue generating.
  
  One could argue that Pryor drives up the price of tickets and corporate sponsorship.
• enigmaax

  thedynasty1998;533399 wrote:I'm not saying to feel sorry for him. But even though he hurt the school's academic rating, he more than repaid it in revenue's earned.
  
  And yes, football and basketball are different, but both are revenue generating.
  
  One could argue that Pryor drives up the price of tickets and corporate sponsorship.

  
  I know attendance for basketball is down drastically from the Final Four season with Oden and given that there are such few players on a basketball roster, you could more convincingly tie those figures to Oden as a single influence. Especially considering they had another All American last year and didn't do nearly as well at the gate.
  
  Without knowing the football numbers, though, I don't buy Pryor as having that same impact. If Pryor was great and the team sucked, there wouldn't automatically be more money to go around. In Oden's case, there wasn't much of a chance they were going to suck even if they didn't have the exact cast they had. OSU football is bigger than any one person and the team's tradition and year-to-year results have a lot more to do with their gate than any single player ever will. Just an opinion.
• thedynasty1998

  

  enigmaax;533445 wrote:Without knowing the football numbers, though, I don't buy Pryor as having that same impact. If Pryor was great and the team sucked, there wouldn't automatically be more money to go around. In Oden's case, there wasn't much of a chance they were going to suck even if they didn't have the exact cast they had. OSU football is bigger than any one person and the team's tradition and year-to-year results have a lot more to do with their gate than any single player ever will. Just an opinion.

  
  The impact one single football player can have is obviously diminished due to the numbers. But certain players sell tickets. If Ohio State is playing OU and Pryor is hurt heading into that game and isn't going to play, not as many people are heading to the game, or watching on TV if Baueserman is the QB.
• ytownfootball

  

  thedynasty1998;533469 wrote:The impact one single football player can have is obviously diminished due to the numbers. But certain players sell tickets. If Ohio State is playing OU and Pryor is hurt heading into that game and isn't going to play, not as many people are heading to the game, or watching on TV if Baueserman is the QB.

  
  Uhhh...no. Simply not true. Will there be a percentage of people that opt to sell their ticket to someone wanting to attend the game? Sure, albeit a slight percentage. You fail to realize that if OSU seated 125K they'd still sell-out every game. OSU moved beyond the "one player impact" a long damn time ago.