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This Notre Dame fan is SICK of the Notre Dame arrogance

  • ytownfootball
    Don't kid yourself, the Big 10 wants ND, but a quick perambulation through the numbers would, at least to the nose breathing average fan, suggest they don't NEED ND.
  • rock_knutne
    ytownfootball;393339 wrote:No way, ND is way more relevant when winning, you know it. Point is, long term, continued lackluster performance will lead to irrelevance (even more so) than currently. I personally don't even think it's debatable.

    Not only that, I wouldn't be surprised to see the BCS change their stance on ND and other at large contenders, I just don't think ND can bank on their history forever.

    Let's remeber one thing, these things seem to go in cycles. ND struggled mightly before Lou Holtz arrived and have gone back in the tank again. It wasn't long ago that schools like OSU, USC, Oklahoma and Texas went through a similar type of spell. That fact alone will keep ND relevant.......win or lose and there wil always be a spot at the BCS table for them because of their draw.
  • ytownfootball
    rock_knutne;393404 wrote:Let's remeber one thing, these things seem to go in cycles. ND struggled mightly before Lou Holtz arrived and have gone back in the tank again. It wasn't long ago that schools like OSU, USC, Oklahoma and Texas went through a similar type of spell. That fact alone will keep ND relevant.......win or lose and there wil always be a spot at the BCS table for them because of their draw.
    I agree about cycles rock, but let's be honest, ND has un-leveled the playing field against themselves with fervent rigidity.
  • rock_knutne
    ytownfootball;393401 wrote:Don't kid yourself, the Big 10 wants ND, but a quick perambulation through the numbers would, at least to the nose breathing average fan, suggest they don't NEED ND.

    That's fine but maybe you're kidding yourself, after all, the Big 10 approached ND with full guns a blazing this time.
  • rock_knutne
    ytownfootball;393411 wrote:I agree about cycles rock, but let's be honest, ND has un-leveled the playing field against themselves with fervent rigidity.
    I don't disagree with you on that point but they have shown in the past the can come back from it, just like USC, Oklahoma and Texas did. Those programs were extremely mediocre for a long period of time.
  • karen lotz
    ytownfootball;393401 wrote:Don't kid yourself, the Big 10 wants ND, but a quick perambulation through the numbers would, at least to the nose breathing average fan, suggest they don't NEED ND.

    I would agree with this.
  • ytownfootball
    rock,

    True, but their obstacles were not those of academic admissions/difficult course curriculum. As I said, I could live with those as a fan but would also have to accept the resulting product, something most ND fans are (also understandably so) unwilling to swallow.
  • rock_knutne
    ytownfootball;393425 wrote:rock,

    True, but their obstacles were not those of academic admissions/difficult course curriculum. As I said, I could live with those as a fan but would also have to accept the resulting product, something most ND fans are (also understandably so) unwilling to swallow.

    The obstacles have been poor decisions from the former AD and administration, that's what's hindered them. You can't continually make hiring mistakes with the position of head football coach. One thing Weis proved is ND can still attract the highly sought after blue chipper and Kelly has continued on with that type of success.

    You've had guys in charge that couldn't coach, couldn't recruit, couldn't develop players, who couldn't coach, recruit or develop and for a week or so, one that was a liar. That's been the problem, hopefully it's been solved this time with Brian Kelly.
  • ytownfootball
    rock_knutne;393460 wrote:The obstacles have been poor decisions from the former AD and administration, that's what's hindered them. You can't continually make hiring mistakes with the position of head football coach. One thing Weis proved is ND can still attract the highly sought after blue chipper and Kelly has continued on with that type of success.

    You've had guys in charge that couldn't coach, couldn't recruit, couldn't develop players, who couldn't coach, recruit or develop and for a week or so, one that was a liar. That's been the problem, hopefully it's been solved this time with Brian Kelly.

    Don't disagree, it would help to have a well rounded, motivating HC, one willing to embrace the encumbrances that go along with being the coach at ND. I hope that for ND's sake they and Kelly lean a little more heavily on the defensive side of the scale than Kelly has done in the past. The offense will be fine in a short time frame, the D is the question imo.

    The admission standards are still an issue for many blue chippers who are destined for the NFL, it's still undeniable.
  • Mooney44Cards
    Hamp89;393293 wrote:Again, who cares what the fans think? Who cares if the alumni is arrogant? Being any more or less arrogant is not going to help them win football games. Funny how you aren't arrogant and only care about winning football games and then say "the highly regarded international academic institution". LOL, because that really matters in the scheme of college football and winning games. The only tradition I would like see broken is the standards set for admitting student athletes - make this equal to the other top college football programs and ND starts getting more talent, and winning more games.

    I'm all for change, if it makese sense. I just can't find any compelling reason as to how joining the Big 10 will help ND win any more games. Nothing more, nothing less. No one can answer that question, and all you want to do is spout off about arrogance and traditon, etc to make yourself look like you've made some great revelation on ND football. As I said, change is awesome, if it makes sense.

    You've got to be fucking kidding me. Who are you arguing with, cuz its surely not me. I seem to keep saying the same things over and over and you keep bringing up "how does that help us win?" and I keep saying it doesn't.

    The last sentence before the sentence in all caps answers the question posed in your post. Please don't respond to this post either, cuz I have a feeling you're going to ask me how joining a conference would help them win, and I really don't feel like having a Phil Conners/Ned Ryerson conversation every few hours.
  • sjmvsfscs08
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-100617-four-corners-notre-dame,0,147492.column

    I agree with most of that article. Notre Dame simply doesn't need the cash like some others do. Yes they thoroughly enjoy their large amounts of it but let's be honest, when you're the second-richest program in America and you sucked dick for the better part of 15 years, one would think winning would do more wonders for you than any television deal. Who is to say Notre Dame isn't seriously considering having their own network? It'd do just as well as Texas', if not better.

    http://www.startribune.com/sports/gophers/96619114.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUnciaec8O7EyUsl

    It's interesting that Lou Holtz thinks Notre Dame should seriously consider joining the Big Ten. I agree with him.
  • vball10set
    140 posts and counting...you sure struck a nerve,mooney---well played!!!
  • rock_knutne
    ^^^^^Struck a nerve?
  • vball10set
    ^^^I wasn't talking to you---just move along...better yet,go watch the soccer game :cool:
  • Tiernan
    Touche' V-ball...that one had to sting ol' Kock Rnutne a little.
  • centralbucksfan
    rock_knutne;393404 wrote:Let's remeber one thing, these things seem to go in cycles. ND struggled mightly before Lou Holtz arrived and have gone back in the tank again. It wasn't long ago that schools like OSU, USC, Oklahoma and Texas went through a similar type of spell. That fact alone will keep ND relevant.......win or lose and there wil always be a spot at the BCS table for them because of their draw.

    When exactly has OSU gone thru a spell like ND did prior to Holtz, and yet again the past 10yrs? They have had an off season here or there...but over the past 50+yrs....OSU has been as consistant a winner as any college program. The longevity of each coach they have had, 10+yrs, and not the constand turnover is proof of that. Only 4 coaches over 50+yrs. Woody, Bruce, Coop and Tress. USC and OLK, yes they went thru extended dry spells. I think Texas has been pretty consistant winner overall as well.

    As far as ND joining the Big Ten...with the changing landscape in college football, I certainly think it would be beneficial to them to do so. I wouldn't call it arrogance. But why they are choosing not to...is beyond me. Can't use the money issue anymore as they could make more by joining a conference based on what I have read. Recruiting is overrated by staying an independent as well. NBC? Who cares...all the conferences now have their own TV networks. Times have changed....ND football IMO...is not keeping up with the times. I think it will eventually happen...but why not just do it and move on as everyone else is doing right now. Its certainly a head scratcher to me.
  • killer_ewok
    It's a message board. If numerous replies consistute a nerve being struck then I guess all of us on here who conversate and debate are on edge. ;)

    Minus the blatant bigotry....I think there's some good debate/conversation taking place on this thread for the most part.
  • The Equalizer
    God help me I agree with CBF.
  • vball10set
    killer_ewok;393880 wrote:It's a message board. If numerous replies consistute a nerve being struck then I guess all of us on here who conversate and debate are on edge. ;)

    Minus the blatant bigotry....I think there's some good debate/conversation taking place on this thread for the most part.

    my point exactly,and there's nothing wrong with that...isn't that what message boards are for? this isn't frickin' The View !!!
  • rock_knutne
    centralbucksfan;393868 wrote:When exactly has OSU gone thru a spell like ND did prior to Holtz, and yet again the past 10yrs? They have had an off season here or there...but over the past 50+yrs....OSU has been as consistant a winner as any college program. The longevity of each coach they have had, 10+yrs, and not the constand turnover is proof of that. Only 4 coaches over 50+yrs. Woody, Bruce, Coop and Tress. USC and OLK, yes they went thru extended dry spells. I think Texas has been pretty consistant winner overall as well.

    Good for them. OSU hadn't won an NC for a very very long time until Tressel did it. Same thing with Texas. ND has had several winning seasons in the past 10 to 15 years. I'm talking national success, as in titles. Teams go through long droughts and OSU is no acception!
  • rock_knutne
    vball10set;393835 wrote:^^^I wasn't talking to you---just move along...better yet,go watch the soccer game :cool:

    Well then who's nerve was struck? As ewok said, there's been some pretty good debate and points made. Other than the two trolls who like to hijack threads, it's been pretty good.
  • vball10set
    ^^^^and I agreed with ewok--it's just that I don't like being hijacked myself....IMO,some nerves were struck,and I stated my opinion--'nuff said.

    ..and btw,I did go watch the soccer game--it's time for a beer !!!!
  • rock_knutne
    ^^^^Have a couple for me.;)
  • killer_ewok
    vball10set;393934 wrote:my point exactly,and there's nothing wrong with that...isn't that what message boards are for? this isn't frickin' The View !!!

    Very true......but I wouldn't mind seeing a picture of Elisabeth Hasselbeck's village feeders when she was pregnant on The View.
  • The Equalizer
    This one???