Ohio State and Nationwide Arena discussing deal to move Buckeyes into Nationwide.

• krazie45

  

  LJ wrote:

  krazie45 wrote: The presence of two arenas drives up the bidding cost for those concerts and events. The Schott is an unnecessary structure that has arguably the worst college basketball atmosphere in the nation.
  
  The Schott may have come first, but an arena of that size makes more sense where Nationwide Arena is located around the various restaurants, bars, etc...of downtown Columbus.

  A college arena doesn't beloing downtown, and it's not OSU's fault that the Blue Jackets can't pay their bills.

  You're right, it doesn't. Hence my suggestion of renovating the more conveniently placed St. John Arena.
  
  My point is that Columbus should have only 1 20,000 seat arena to host concerts, events, and pro sports and that arena should be located downtown.
• LJ

  

  krazie45 wrote:

  LJ wrote:

  krazie45 wrote: The presence of two arenas drives up the bidding cost for those concerts and events. The Schott is an unnecessary structure that has arguably the worst college basketball atmosphere in the nation.
  
  The Schott may have come first, but an arena of that size makes more sense where Nationwide Arena is located around the various restaurants, bars, etc...of downtown Columbus.

  A college arena doesn't beloing downtown, and it's not OSU's fault that the Blue Jackets can't pay their bills.

  You're right, it doesn't. Hence my suggestion of renovating the more conveniently placed St. John Arena.
  
  My point is that Columbus should have only 1 20,000 seat arena to host concerts, events, and pro sports and that arena should be located downtown.

  That's such a backwards argument though, because the fact is, you can't change reality.
• thedynasty1998

  

  Columbus is a top 20 city in the US in terms of population, how many other cities that size only have one arena?
  
  I honestly don't know the answer. I'm willing to guarantee that every single one has more than one, although they most certinaly also have more than one professional sports team.
• Writerbuckeye

  

  While I dislike the Schott for its layout, don't kid yourself when it comes to its impact on kids in recruiting. I heard a Thad Matta interview where he said, without question, that had OSU simply renovated St. John, they would not have gotten many of the top recruits they did, including most of the Thad 5.
  
  The facilities were a big part of what sells these kids to come to OSU -- and that includes a venue that is more like a professional arena than a college building.
  
  When they finish the project to add extra practice courts to the Schottenstein Center, it will be an even bigger draw for top recruits, because of the available floor space for practice times and schedules.
• krazie45

  

  thedynasty1998 wrote: Columbus is a top 20 city in the US in terms of population, how many other cities that size only have one arena?
  
  I honestly don't know the answer. I'm willing to guarantee that every single one has more than one, although they most certinaly also have more than one professional sports team.

  
  Let's put that theory to the test. Here are the top 20 cities in the US by population and how many arenas they have of at least 18,000 seats.
  
  
  1. New York-1-Madison Square Garden (Nassau holds just over 16k, Prudential Center is in New Jersey)
  2. Los Angeles-2-Staples Center, The Forum
  3. Chicago-1-United Center
  4. Houston-1-Toyota Center
  5. Phoenix-2-US Airways Center, Jobing.com Arena (which is being generous considering it's technically in Glendale)
  6. Philadelphia-2-Wachovia Center, The Spectrum (again being generous since The Spectrum is closed and will be torn down soon)
  7. San Antonio-2-Alamodome, AT&T Center
  8. Dallas-1-American Airlines Center
  9. San Diego-0
  10. San Jose-1-HP Pavilion
  11. Detroit-2-Joe Louis Arena, Palace of Auburn Hills (once again being generous since the palace is technically in Auburn Hills)
  12. San Francisco-1-Oracle Arena (Another generosity since it's technically in Oakland)
  13. Jacksonville-0
  14. Indianapolis-1-Conseco Fieldhouse
  15. Austin-0
  16. Columbus-2-Nationwide Arena, Value City Arena
  17. Fort Worth-0
  18. Charlotte-1-Time Warner Cable Arena
  19. Memphis-2-FedEx Forum, Pyramid Arena (Generous since Pyramid is currently closed)
  20. Baltimore-0
  
  
  So as you can see, in fact it is not common for a city to have 2 large arenas like Columbus. It is actually very rare.
  
  As for an NBA team in Columbus, I would say the chances of that ever happening are slim to none. The Cavs are pretty much Ohio's team and Ohio really isn't a big enough basketball state to host two NBA teams. I think Columbus' NBA team pretty much is Ohio State considering the layout of the Schott and the atmosphere they try to create there.
• bartsimpson

  krazie45 wrote:

  thedynasty1998 wrote: Columbus is a top 20 city in the US in terms of population, how many other cities that size only have one arena?
  
  I honestly don't know the answer. I'm willing to guarantee that every single one has more than one, although they most certinaly also have more than one professional sports team.

  
  Let's put that theory to the test. Here are the top 20 cities in the US by population and how many arenas they have of at least 18,000 seats.
  
  
  1. New York-1-Madison Square Garden (Nassau holds just over 16k, Prudential Center is in New Jersey)
  2. Los Angeles-2-Staples Center, The Forum
  3. Chicago-1-United Center
  4. Houston-1-Toyota Center
  5. Phoenix-2-US Airways Center, Jobing.com Arena (which is being generous considering it's technically in Glendale)
  6. Philadelphia-2-Wachovia Center, The Spectrum (again being generous since The Spectrum is closed and will be torn down soon)
  7. San Antonio-2-Alamodome, AT&T Center
  8. Dallas-1-American Airlines Center
  9. San Diego-0
  10. San Jose-1-HP Pavilion
  11. Detroit-2-Joe Louis Arena, Palace of Auburn Hills (once again being generous since the palace is technically in Auburn Hills)
  12. San Francisco-1-Oracle Arena (Another generosity since it's technically in Oakland)
  13. Jacksonville-0
  14. Indianapolis-1-Conseco Fieldhouse
  15. Austin-0
  16. Columbus-2-Nationwide Arena, Value City Arena
  17. Fort Worth-0
  18. Charlotte-1-Time Warner Cable Arena
  19. Memphis-2-FedEx Forum, Pyramid Arena (Generous since Pyramid is currently closed)
  20. Baltimore-0
  
  
  So as you can see, in fact it is not common for a city to have 2 large arenas like Columbus. It is actually very rare.
  
  As for an NBA team in Columbus, I would say the chances of that ever happening are slim to none. The Cavs are pretty much Ohio's team and Ohio really isn't a big enough basketball state to host two NBA teams. I think Columbus' NBA team pretty much is Ohio State considering the layout of the Schott and the atmosphere they try to create there.

  
  That's not a real fair comparison. All of the towns you list that have a major college basketball program in them have at least two arenas....the towns that don't have 2 do not have a college team that in most cases is always going to have their own arena.
• krazie45

  

  bartsimpson wrote:

  krazie45 wrote:

  thedynasty1998 wrote: Columbus is a top 20 city in the US in terms of population, how many other cities that size only have one arena?
  
  I honestly don't know the answer. I'm willing to guarantee that every single one has more than one, although they most certinaly also have more than one professional sports team.

  
  Let's put that theory to the test. Here are the top 20 cities in the US by population and how many arenas they have of at least 18,000 seats.
  
  
  1. New York-1-Madison Square Garden (Nassau holds just over 16k, Prudential Center is in New Jersey)
  2. Los Angeles-2-Staples Center, The Forum
  3. Chicago-1-United Center
  4. Houston-1-Toyota Center
  5. Phoenix-2-US Airways Center, Jobing.com Arena (which is being generous considering it's technically in Glendale)
  6. Philadelphia-2-Wachovia Center, The Spectrum (again being generous since The Spectrum is closed and will be torn down soon)
  7. San Antonio-2-Alamodome, AT&T Center
  8. Dallas-1-American Airlines Center
  9. San Diego-0
  10. San Jose-1-HP Pavilion
  11. Detroit-2-Joe Louis Arena, Palace of Auburn Hills (once again being generous since the palace is technically in Auburn Hills)
  12. San Francisco-1-Oracle Arena (Another generosity since it's technically in Oakland)
  13. Jacksonville-0
  14. Indianapolis-1-Conseco Fieldhouse
  15. Austin-0
  16. Columbus-2-Nationwide Arena, Value City Arena
  17. Fort Worth-0
  18. Charlotte-1-Time Warner Cable Arena
  19. Memphis-2-FedEx Forum, Pyramid Arena (Generous since Pyramid is currently closed)
  20. Baltimore-0
  
  
  So as you can see, in fact it is not common for a city to have 2 large arenas like Columbus. It is actually very rare.
  
  As for an NBA team in Columbus, I would say the chances of that ever happening are slim to none. The Cavs are pretty much Ohio's team and Ohio really isn't a big enough basketball state to host two NBA teams. I think Columbus' NBA team pretty much is Ohio State considering the layout of the Schott and the atmosphere they try to create there.

  
  That's not a real fair comparison. All of the towns you list that have a major college basketball program in them have at least two arenas....the towns that don't have 2 do not have a college team that in most cases is always going to have their own arena.

  I'm not sure where you're getting that from. The only places that have 2 arenas pretty much have 1 active arena and an older arena that's defunct. None of the aforementioned cities have a pro and college arena that seats that many people.
  
  Plus I was referring to your comment that every single one of those cities have 2 huge arenas. I have proven that that is indeed a false presumption. Therefore I have no idea how you could say it's an unfair comparison based on your comments.
  
  Columbus does not need two large arenas and they are in the large minority in having them. Most of these cities that also have colleges have a large arena for pro sports/concerts and a smaller arena for their college team. I would be perfectly fine with that in Columbus as per my recommendation of renovating St. John Arena.
• LJ

  

  krazie45 wrote:

  bartsimpson wrote:

  krazie45 wrote:

  thedynasty1998 wrote: Columbus is a top 20 city in the US in terms of population, how many other cities that size only have one arena?
  
  I honestly don't know the answer. I'm willing to guarantee that every single one has more than one, although they most certinaly also have more than one professional sports team.

  
  Let's put that theory to the test. Here are the top 20 cities in the US by population and how many arenas they have of at least 18,000 seats.
  
  
  1. New York-1-Madison Square Garden (Nassau holds just over 16k, Prudential Center is in New Jersey)
  2. Los Angeles-2-Staples Center, The Forum
  3. Chicago-1-United Center
  4. Houston-1-Toyota Center
  5. Phoenix-2-US Airways Center, Jobing.com Arena (which is being generous considering it's technically in Glendale)
  6. Philadelphia-2-Wachovia Center, The Spectrum (again being generous since The Spectrum is closed and will be torn down soon)
  7. San Antonio-2-Alamodome, AT&T Center
  8. Dallas-1-American Airlines Center
  9. San Diego-0
  10. San Jose-1-HP Pavilion
  11. Detroit-2-Joe Louis Arena, Palace of Auburn Hills (once again being generous since the palace is technically in Auburn Hills)
  12. San Francisco-1-Oracle Arena (Another generosity since it's technically in Oakland)
  13. Jacksonville-0
  14. Indianapolis-1-Conseco Fieldhouse
  15. Austin-0
  16. Columbus-2-Nationwide Arena, Value City Arena
  17. Fort Worth-0
  18. Charlotte-1-Time Warner Cable Arena
  19. Memphis-2-FedEx Forum, Pyramid Arena (Generous since Pyramid is currently closed)
  20. Baltimore-0
  
  
  So as you can see, in fact it is not common for a city to have 2 large arenas like Columbus. It is actually very rare.
  
  As for an NBA team in Columbus, I would say the chances of that ever happening are slim to none. The Cavs are pretty much Ohio's team and Ohio really isn't a big enough basketball state to host two NBA teams. I think Columbus' NBA team pretty much is Ohio State considering the layout of the Schott and the atmosphere they try to create there.

  
  That's not a real fair comparison. All of the towns you list that have a major college basketball program in them have at least two arenas....the towns that don't have 2 do not have a college team that in most cases is always going to have their own arena.

  I'm not sure where you're getting that from. The only places that have 2 arenas pretty much have 1 active arena and an older arena that's defunct. None of the aforementioned cities have a pro and college arena that seats that many people.
  
  Plus I was referring to your comment that every single one of those cities have 2 huge arenas. I have proven that that is indeed a false presumption. Therefore I have no idea how you could say it's an unfair comparison based on your comments.
  
  Columbus does not need two large arenas and they are in the large minority in having them. Most of these cities that also have colleges have a large arena for pro sports/concerts and a smaller arena for their college team. I would be perfectly fine with that in Columbus as per my recommendation of renovating St. John Arena.

  So get rid of Nationwide....
• krazie45

  

  LJ wrote:So get rid of Nationwide....

  That is by far the most idiotic comment I've ever heard. Nationwide is a superior arena, it's in a better location, it is more necessary for its purpose, it brings downtown to life.
  
  The Schottenstein Center is poorly located, larger than necessity, a terrible basketball/hockey atmosphere, an inferior building to Nationwide both in structure, amenities, and technology. Nationwide is widely regarded as one of the best arenas in the NHL.
• thedynasty1998

  

  You make an interesting point. However, the Scott was built first, therefore it became Columbus' first large arena. Then when Columbus got the hockey team, they needed somewhere for them to play and they obviously were not going to play at a place that is owned by the University.
  
  If Nationwide would have been in place first, maybe the renovation of St. Johns would have made more sense.
• CinciX12

  

  krazie45 wrote:

  LJ wrote:So get rid of Nationwide....

  That is by far the most idiotic comment I've ever heard. Nationwide is a superior arena, it's in a better location, it is more necessary for its purpose, it brings downtown to life.
  
  The Schottenstein Center is poorly located, larger than necessity, a terrible basketball/hockey atmosphere, an inferior building to Nationwide both in structure, amenities, and technology. Nationwide is widely regarded as one of the best arenas in the NHL.

  I'm pretty sure he was kidding.
• krazie45

  

  thedynasty1998 wrote: You make an interesting point. However, the Scott was built first, therefore it became Columbus' first large arena. Then when Columbus got the hockey team, they needed somewhere for them to play and they obviously were not going to play at a place that is owned by the University.
  
  If Nationwide would have been in place first, maybe the renovation of St. Johns would have made more sense.

  The point is that OSU never needed the Schott and the construction of Nationwide proved it so. Now you have two competing arenas which puts Columbus in a situation where everyone loses.
  
  What really angers me is the new addition OSU is trying to put onto The Schott. It's one thing to be naive enough not to admit you screwed up...it's another to make the problem worse by wasting more money.
• thedynasty1998

  

  krazie45 wrote: The point is that OSU never needed the Schott and the construction of Nationwide proved it so. Now you have two competing arenas which puts Columbus in a situation where everyone loses.
  
  What really angers me is the new addition OSU is trying to put onto The Schott. It's one thing to be naive enough not to admit you screwed up...it's another to make the problem worse by wasting more money.

  I don't know if you are really understanding the situation. OSU is fine and is likely profiting from the Arena.
  
  Back when they built it, they built it with money as the motivator. They could add seats and corporate boxes and make an Arena that could attract other events such as concerts. At that time, it was a brilliant move, and would likely still be considered one today, even though today they do have some competition.
• CinciX12

  

  thedynasty1998 wrote:

  krazie45 wrote: The point is that OSU never needed the Schott and the construction of Nationwide proved it so. Now you have two competing arenas which puts Columbus in a situation where everyone loses.
  
  What really angers me is the new addition OSU is trying to put onto The Schott. It's one thing to be naive enough not to admit you screwed up...it's another to make the problem worse by wasting more money.

  I don't know if you are really understanding the situation. OSU is fine and is likely profiting from the Arena.
  
  Back when they built it, they built it with money as the motivator. They could add seats and corporate boxes and make an Arena that could attract other events such as concerts. At that time, it was a brilliant move, and would likely still be considered one today, even though today they do have some competition.

  This season its not likely they turned a profit. There weren't many fans coming thru the gates this season.
• thedynasty1998

  

  The Scott wasn't built to make a profit from Men's or Women's basketball only, it also generates revenue from concerts and the such.
• LJ

  

  krazie45 wrote:

  thedynasty1998 wrote: You make an interesting point. However, the Scott was built first, therefore it became Columbus' first large arena. Then when Columbus got the hockey team, they needed somewhere for them to play and they obviously were not going to play at a place that is owned by the University.
  
  If Nationwide would have been in place first, maybe the renovation of St. Johns would have made more sense.

  The point is that OSU never needed the Schott and the construction of Nationwide proved it so. Now you have two competing arenas which puts Columbus in a situation where everyone loses.
  
  What really angers me is the new addition OSU is trying to put onto The Schott. It's one thing to be naive enough not to admit you screwed up...it's another to make the problem worse by wasting more money.

  Hey, newsflash
  
  THE ARENAS ARE NOT LOSING MONEY, THE BLUE JACKETS ARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
• lhs2ndbase

  I personally think moving a game or two to St. Johns arena every year would be a lot better idea
• CinciX12

  

  As the AD of OSU I think you have to avoid St. John's like the plague. All that game did (that i was lucky enough to go to) was remind people about the crappy environment at VCA.
• wildcats20

  

  ^^I agree with that wholeheartedly
  
  IMO all OSU needed to do was renovate SJA. Have the students sit on one sideline(a la Duke, just threw up in the my mouth for saying that). Put the band, along with grad students at one baseline, and the other baseline more students. The sideline oppo the students make available to donors or whomever. And let the upper bowl be public/season ticket holders. Problem solved and it would be one of the top 5-7 venues in ALL of college basketball.
  
  BTW SJA still seats over 13,000 fans.
• wildcats20

  

  My idea of a "new SJA"
  
  
• thedynasty1998

  

  You just don't get it, it's about money. In a perfect world, OSU would value the overall atmosphere more, but that's not the world we live in. It's about generating revenue, and they can generate more revenue at the Scott.
• krazie45

  

  thedynasty1998 wrote: You just don't get it, it's about money. In a perfect world, OSU would value the overall atmosphere more, but that's not the world we live in. It's about generating revenue, and they can generate more revenue at the Scott.

  They can now....had they renovated SJA to include luxury suites, courtside seats, and all the jazz that makes them the big bucks while still keeping the overall structure/atmosphere and keeping the capacity under 15k they'd be making more money.
• thedynasty1998

  

  There are people plenty smarter than you and I who likely did studies to compare the cost of renovation to the cost of building new and then the potential revenue generated from both.
  
  They decided building a new arena was the best choice.
• darbypitcher22

  

  ^^^^
  
  but has it proved to be the best choice?
• Writerbuckeye

  

  krazie45 wrote:

  thedynasty1998 wrote: You make an interesting point. However, the Scott was built first, therefore it became Columbus' first large arena. Then when Columbus got the hockey team, they needed somewhere for them to play and they obviously were not going to play at a place that is owned by the University.
  
  If Nationwide would have been in place first, maybe the renovation of St. Johns would have made more sense.

  The point is that OSU never needed the Schott and the construction of Nationwide proved it so. Now you have two competing arenas which puts Columbus in a situation where everyone loses.
  
  What really angers me is the new addition OSU is trying to put onto The Schott. It's one thing to be naive enough not to admit you screwed up...it's another to make the problem worse by wasting more money.

  You're clueless about Ohio State. The additions to the Schot now being planned are basically enhancements for the players. New practice gyms and space that will allow players to enhance their games without having time conflicts between teams. It will be another huge positive factor in recruiting -- the same as the Schott has been, whether folks want to believe it or not (Matta has said so and I'll take his word).
  
  There was no way to renovate St. John to accomplish everything that needed to be done. The structure of the build itself was questionable as it had suffered microfractures in the upper level beams from years of loud music. It's had to be shored up more than once to keep it safe.
  
  Plus the basic structure of St. John would not lend itself to luxury suites and the other amenities you almost need in today's college basketball world to keep things profitable (or at least break even).
  
  Looking back, if there had been a way to make the basketball arena a bit smaller, but include the nicer lockkerroms, suites, and practice gyms and offices -- and build a smaller hockey arena (10,000 seats), that would have probably been better.