Toledo St. Francis vs. Toledo St. John's III

• 2quik4u

  

  SFSFan wrote: Cheap shot or shot at the ball? Last time everyone was fired up about the same kid in the city finals against CCHS, it was a clear play on the ball - yet nobody mentions the fat a$$ priest from CCHS who pushed him once he got up from the floor and was subsequently escorted out of the game for doing so (nice example set for the students, Father Tubby!) Replays on BCSN - clearly agressive, but totally going for the ball.
  
  That kids name is Yodzis - probably one of the nicest kids you'd ever want to meet on or off any field of play. Smart, involved in campus ministries, student council, you name it...contrary to slingshot perceptions, one of the classiest kids you'd ever meet...he played agressively in every game, but I've never seen a cheap shot just to take a cheap shot from that kid - not in basketball nor football. I've seen intentional fouls to keep kids from making an easy 2, but if you have agressive players on the floor, you want them doing that in certain situations...you don't tell them to dial it back and let their opponent put up an easy, uncontested 2. Personally, I think that was SFS's downfall - only a couple guys played tough defense - Fockler was another. Some of the other kids, not willing to take a charge or closely contest shots - would rather put up 3s on the other end.
  
  Game's over, SJJ won, so everyone can quit bitchin' and whinin' now...should be a good game Saturday night.

  You can write whatever you want about the kid but the Bcsn film shows otherwise. The kid is a cheap shotter period end of story.
• penalt

  Really don't care how nice the kid is, it was a cheap shot. Totally uncalled for. #24 and #44 from SFS both like to mix it up, both borderline dirty players imo.
  
  CCHS v SJJS should be a really good game, clearly the best two teams in the city this year.
• slingshot4ever

  ToledoCityLeagueFan wrote:

  KnightXC1 wrote: Wasn't a clothesline or cheap shot by any means. He went to grab Norrils to stop the clock and Norrils tried to cut and got twisted around so it looked much worse than it really was. Loving could have easily been T'd up and thrown out for shoving Yodzis earlier in the game and talking crap.
  
  Anyways, this is about the 3rd straight game SFS didn't play well at all. 2 differences in the game were Steinmets who put in 11 points (don't think he had 11 combined in the first 2 games) and SFS's guards doing nothing to help Storm. Might have combined for 5 points in the game which killed the Knights. They are too timid to drive to the basket and then dish off or try and draw a foul. Felt bad for Storm since he was clearly sick and was throwing up on the bench right before halftime. He just didn't get much help last night which is a credit to SJ.

  Watching it on TV last night it sure looked like a cheap shot and I don't have a horse in this race.

  It was a clothesline. He didn't even get jersey. His left arm was wrapped around the front of his neck.
• slingshot4ever

  Knight XC1 - You are the only one who doesn't think it was a dirty play and you are an SFS alum I am sure. Everyone else, included unbiased parties, agree it was a cheap shot. This is why I am glad I chose SJJ or SFS.
• KnightXC1

  

  ^^ Having refereed basketball for over 4 years there is a difference between a a cheap shot and a hard foul. Cheap shot involves intent to injure and premeditation. Yodzis got him good but it was a hard foul. He wasn't trying to hurt Norrils by any means. Fouls like this happen in every level of basketball and because people are so uptight about it, they scream intentional fouls and people to be thrown out. If someone leveled Kobe or Lebron but were making a play on the ball, it's not intentional or a cheap shot, it's a hard foul. My VOD is currently not working so I can't see the replay but from where I was, it was a hard foul, not a cheap shot, but I'm sure you can interpret it however you want. I could care less what everyone thinks because it's all opinion and everyone has one. There is no fact involved in any of this so it's moot.
  
  Good luck to both teams tonight but I am taking Central for the win.
• scout2

  D Bialorucki wrote: Also, anybody remember the regular season match up between CCHS and the frannies? As time expired and the Irish won , Yodiz shoved Jay Marquette and was called for a technical.
  
  
  Ya but he's a good kid and he's a frannie so that makes it okay, you know the old excuse, he's just playing hard...

  
  ROTFLMAO!
• slingshot4ever

  KnightXC1 wrote: ^^ Having refereed basketball for over 4 years there is a difference between a a cheap shot and a hard foul. Cheap shot involves intent to injure and premeditation. Yodzis got him good but it was a hard foul. He wasn't trying to hurt Norrils by any means. Fouls like this happen in every level of basketball and because people are so uptight about it, they scream intentional fouls and people to be thrown out. If someone leveled Kobe or Lebron but were making a play on the ball, it's not intentional or a cheap shot, it's a hard foul. My VOD is currently not working so I can't see the replay but from where I was, it was a hard foul, not a cheap shot, but I'm sure you can interpret it however you want. I could care less what everyone thinks because it's all opinion and everyone has one. There is no fact involved in any of this so it's moot.
  
  Good luck to both teams tonight but I am taking Central for the win.

  Referee in CYO basketball does not count. Grabbing someone around the neck is intent to harm.
• slingshot4ever

  SJJ wins 49-41 tonight. Just another district title for the best basketball program in NW Ohio, period.
• KnightXC1

  

  I didn't ref CYO just so you know but actual competitive basketball. Nice try though.
• slingshot4ever

  ^^^^
  
  So a high school ref, AAU ref? Otherwise it isn't even close to competitive. 4 years of refing doesn't make a veteran of the rule book either.
• SFSFan

  I've watched the replay and talked to players - all agree he grabbed him by the shoulder, not neck. So, all the fans/parents who want to call that a clothesline, that's your impression - I see three or four of you on this thread constantly posting crap about it, so your feelings must reflect those of everyone in the SJJ nation. It wasn't called flagrant and yes, it was an intentional foul - that's what their coach was telling them to do. In fact, Yodzis hasn't been called for one flagrant foul all season - so while you think he's a dirty player or complains about the calls against him or even instigates hard play - he's out there as a small/sometimes power forward - that's how they are supposed to play - aggressive to the basket and around it. And come on - every other team in this league - and yes, SJJ included, has a bunch of kids who do as much, if not more, to instigate contact.
  
  Grow up little men...it's a big boys game...go whine to your mommas about what you think is too hard of play on the court...and in the meantime, leave it to the refs to call it - I'm pretty sure they are closer to the action and have the experience to call it correctly. Thank God some of you don't run athletics...we'd never see a contact sport again.[/u]
• rmolin73

  

  How long has that game been?
• D Bialorucki

  SFSFan wrote: I've watched the replay and talked to players - all agree he grabbed him by the shoulder, not neck. So, all the fans/parents who want to call that a clothesline, that's your impression - I see three or four of you on this thread constantly posting crap about it, so your feelings must reflect those of everyone in the SJJ nation. It wasn't called flagrant and yes, it was an intentional foul - that's what their coach was telling them to do. In fact, Yodzis hasn't been called for one flagrant foul all season - so while you think he's a dirty player or complains about the calls against him or even instigates hard play - he's out there as a small/sometimes power forward - that's how they are supposed to play - aggressive to the basket and around it. And come on - every other team in this league - and yes, SJJ included, has a bunch of kids who do as much, if not more, to instigate contact.
  
  Grow up little men...it's a big boys game...go whine to your mommas about what you think is too hard of play on the court...and in the meantime, leave it to the refs to call it - I'm pretty sure they are closer to the action and have the experience to call it correctly. Thank God some of you don't run athletics...we'd never see a contact sport again.[/u]

  How many T's does he have this season for pushing and grabbing at the end of the game?
• SFSFan

  I'm not going to argue with ignorance. Bialorucki...do you know the answer to that or just throwing gas on the fire? You have no idea because you don't know the kid and you don't follow the team. The answer is just one. And he hasn't been called for any intentional fouls during play - NONE. The kid is aggressive. He's a competitor who doesn't like to lose, he hussles to the ball and rim, and yeah, sometimes on blocks he gets called - it's all part of the game. What you don't see him do is get in other players faces, mouthing off, talking crap, and pulling attitude so common with some of the other teams' prima dona players... Take a look in the mirror boys...you've got a few of those on your teams who actually have been T'd for their behavior on the court.
  
  The entire CCHS regular season game was a frustrating game for many of the SFS players - and he let his emotions get the better of him. He's a 16 year old junior (read that - true junior...not a 15 or 16 year old freshman that other teams might play or 16 year old sophomores) - he may not have the fully developed sense of self control that you seem to display by coming on here and blasting a good kid for being aggressive on the court. Watch the replay again, he was going for the foul - absolutely - and as he grabbed Norrils shoulder, Norrils twisted, making it appear to be something it completely wasn't. This kid has 10 times the maturity and self control over some of you posters.
  
  So, aside from a couple of old men on here complaining about the play because their silk panties are riding up their crack, thinking they know more or see more than the refs on the court or the replays on BCSN - nobody is talking about this. Nobody talked about it that night either. Even the players involved knew it wasn't a clothesline.
  
  But I suppose you'll see what you want...get your rocks off picking on a 16 year old kid who has more going for him that any of the losers bitchin' about this on this board... Sad life for you boys...
• ross ford81

  SFSan: No debate about the player or the player, but what is this "true junior" stuff. If he's still 16 he's a "young junior". If a junior is 17 today, he is a "true junior". In fact, anyone who is eligible to play according to OHSAA bylaws is "true". There may only be one player that I know of in the city league this season that might not earn the title "true" in front of their year in school. I do agree with you the time to end the debate over this topic is now.
• SFSFan

  Oh, I know parents hold their kids back - sometimes voluntarily, sometimes the schools hold them back... Funny - I remember graduating high school at 17 and turning 18 just a couple weeks before starting college. One of my own kids started college while still 17...and nobody was graduating early or skipping grades!!
  
  Young junior it is, if that's what it's called these days. And agree - end of discussion - SJJ has more important stuff in front of them to worry about, and football season is only 5 months away!
  
  Good luck to all the NWO teams left in states....
• 2quik4u

  

  SFSFan wrote: I'm not going to argue with ignorance. Bialorucki...do you know the answer to that or just throwing gas on the fire? You have no idea because you don't know the kid and you don't follow the team. The answer is just one. And he hasn't been called for any intentional fouls during play - NONE. The kid is aggressive. He's a competitor who doesn't like to lose, he hussles to the ball and rim, and yeah, sometimes on blocks he gets called - it's all part of the game. What you don't see him do is get in other players faces, mouthing off, talking crap, and pulling attitude so common with some of the other teams' prima dona players... Take a look in the mirror boys...you've got a few of those on your teams who actually have been T'd for their behavior on the court.
  
  The entire CCHS regular season game was a frustrating game for many of the SFS players - and he let his emotions get the better of him. He's a 16 year old junior (read that - true junior...not a 15 or 16 year old freshman that other teams might play or 16 year old sophomores) - he may not have the fully developed sense of self control that you seem to display by coming on here and blasting a good kid for being aggressive on the court. Watch the replay again, he was going for the foul - absolutely - and as he grabbed Norrils shoulder, Norrils twisted, making it appear to be something it completely wasn't. This kid has 10 times the maturity and self control over some of you posters.
  
  So, aside from a couple of old men on here complaining about the play because their silk panties are riding up their crack, thinking they know more or see more than the refs on the court or the replays on BCSN - nobody is talking about this. Nobody talked about it that night either. Even the players involved knew it wasn't a clothesline.
  
  But I suppose you'll see what you want...get your rocks off picking on a 16 year old kid who has more going for him that any of the losers bitchin' about this on this board... Sad life for you boys...

  Umm yea you do, go re-watch the regular season central/sfs game . Again like I said before everything is on the bcsn game. Also its kinda funny how you claim to be so mature and above this, then you take cheap shots at a kids age who plays for another team.
• vball10set

  ^^^I agree--it's not only an arrogant and pompous post by SFSFan,but a hypocritical one as well...I'm kind of embarrassed that he's "defending" my alma mater :@
• SFSFan

  2quick, vball - I'm not defending anyone's alma mater - I was defending a kid. And read the note again, I recognize the CCHS/SFS game was an exception - guess that's the only one you watched all year, since you keep bringing it up. So, please don't let me defend your honorable school, big guy - step up to the plate and do a little of that yourself. I would imagine, if I had school pride or was proud of the kids in that program, that'd be something I'd consider. And you couldn't find a much better example of a student athlete for which to be proud. But some of us find a lack of balls an easier position to be in...pretty safe there over in the corner, huh?
  
  And please, I never once claimed to be mature myself - so far from it, not even funny. I'm not above playing in the mud with all the other slingers...just saying those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones so readily unless they want to play in a rock fight!! I said that player has a load of maturity for his age...and was pointing out that he's the same age as most of the sophomores and even some freshman in the league. It seems to work when other's defend the immaturity of their underclassmen on threads, thought I'd try it out here to show he's no older than most of them.
  
  And vball - you'd think that great Oblates education would've clued you in to the definition of arrogant (defined as exaggerating or disposed to exaggerate ones OWN worth or self importance....again, wouldn't think of doing that - my glass panes are much to thin to take the subsequent abuse) and pompous (having or exhibiting self importance). What I did, genius, was disagree with other posters, defend a genuinely good kid from crap when people don't know what this kid is really like, and point out that yes, just like every kid his age, he's subject to losing his composure in a heated sporting contest. Neither arrogant nor pompous. Nor hypocritical, which is defined as "feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not"...you probably remember your Latin, right? I absolutely pointed out fact - and definitely standing on what I believe to be truth - if I was knowingly wrong and said those things, that'd be hypocritical, right? Don't go waving that alma mater flag now - you are very critical of this school and obviously not a true supporter or fan of their programs or kids....so I'm sure no matter what I say, I'm not hurting your fragile ego on here!!
  
  Let it go, boys...it's over and done. I'm cheering for SJJ in their quest to move on through the regionals! Let's all play the role of adults now.
• vball10set

  ....and yet,after you get off your pulpit,you attack a student from another school concerning his age...now who's "acting like an adult"?? :rolleyes:
  
  sic transit gloria mundae
• SFSFan

  Okay, you got me. I admit it - I'm only 9 years old. Sorry. But I never attacked any student from any other school - I never called out a school or individual - just saying some teams have kids that are much older, in lower grades, and we excuse their immature behavior because they haven't yet grown up. It was a point for comparison, never an attack.
  
  And yes - wordly things are certainly fleeting...but I think it's mundi, not mundae!!! One thing we can finally agree on!!!
• vball10set

  ^^^LOL--you got me...anyway,I admire the fact that you're defending a young man who sometimes let's his enthusiasm get the best of him--I'm sure he's a good kid...however,when you started the "true junior,etc." comments,you were bringing into question the integrity of another school--and therein lies my beef.
  
  but you're right--on to the Regionals--good luck NWO!!!
• SFSFan

  Absolutely - Go SJJ...make us all proud!!! I'm excited to see how they do!