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  • riders1
    So it comes down to who is scoring and how they interpret or know rules. Different scorers, different stats.
  • wildcats20
    Pariah;641792 wrote:Another issue: we had a kid in the IVC several years ago - his dad was on the coaching staff - who seemed to always have these amazing stat lines. While he was a very good player, he seemed to always end up with at least 10 assists or rebounds. I would think "I remember 3 assists, but not 11" or "6 rebounds but not 13."

    Wildcats20's post prompted me to think of this situation. I understand WC20 was just doing it in a narrow situation and trying to reward a good pass. But can a coach, working with the statistician, fudge assists and rebounds that much? Do the two stats folks books have to agree?

    I assume when you say "two stats folks books", you are referring to the person from each team at the table with the book? If so, they don't get assists and rebounds and anything like that. They just keep points, FTs, fouls, and time outs.

    Usually a coach will have his own person doing stats, which is where he/she gets that info from.
  • thePITman
    mhs95_06;642170 wrote:What is the proper ruling for rebounds when the player closest to the ball thinks there is a better chance for his team to get the ball if he tips it to a teammate, or tips it to an open area where he thinks a teammate can come up with it and he does. Who gets credit for the rebound? If it is the recoverer, does the tipper get any kind of credit?
    riders1;642362 wrote:So it comes down to who is scoring and how they interpret or know rules. Different scorers, different stats.

    First and foremost, I would 2nd riders1's comment that it depends who is keeping stats. Here is my interpretation:

    -- If the player tips the ball under control and clearly & intentionally as a "pass" to a teammate (but never actually possesses the ball), a rebound could be credited to that player who tipped the ball. But if there are 2-3 players jumping for the ball on a hotly contested rebound and a player happens to tip it towards a teammate (whether it looks on purpose or not), a rebound probably would not be credited.
    -- In my opinion, it depends on the intensity and quickness of the rebound/transition. If it's hotly contested and a teammate gets 3 inches higher than an opponent and can tip it to a teammate, the rebound would probably be credited to the person who controls the ball. But if the ball bounces away from the rim and a player runs towards it and intentionally flicks/misdirects (but never controls) the ball 5 feet up court to a team mate, I think a rebound would be credited to the player who flicked the ball (kind of like a 1-handed "touch pass"). Anything in between these two examples from opposite ends of the spectrum could be a judgement call by the statistician.

    -- A similar situation is when a player is jumping out of bounds and throws it back in bounds in an attempt to save the ball from going out of bounds.
    -- Situation #1: Let's say a team shoots a ball that ricochets off the rim and towards the out of bounds line. Then an offensive player jumps out of bounds, grabs the ball, and throws it in bounds to a teammate. The player who jumped out of bounds for the ball could be credited with the rebound. However, if that player jumps out of bounds and throws the ball back in bounds to an opponent, a rebound could be credited to the opponent since it was above-average effort to get to the ball anyway by the offensive player. (Similar to an outfielder who dives for a ball. If he dives and it hits his glove - depending on his level of effort before the dive - an error probably would not be credited.
    -- Situation #2: Let's say a player on offense passes the ball which is tipped by the defense and is about to go out of bounds. Then a defensive player jumps out of bounds, grabs the ball, and throws it to a teammate. This would likely be credited as a steal for the player who jumped out of bounds and a turnover for the initial passer. However, if the defender who jumped out of bounds threw it back in to an offensive player, no steal or turnover for either team would be credited since it was just a long, fun-to-watch loose ball play.