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Pitbulls are for poor stupid people

  • Al Bundy
    SVF,

    Did isadore hack your account?
  • Steel Valley Football
    I gathered yesterday that he is anti-pit. I barely read in the basement which is why I posted this here. I'm only anti-my-kids-getting-maimed/killed. Sorry to disappoint you, but it's true.
  • BR1986FB
    No, you're hellbent on killing a pit bull. It's pretty obvious.
  • Al Bundy
    Steel Valley Football;1207202 wrote:I gathered yesterday that he is anti-pit. I barely read in the basement which is why I posted this here. I'm only anti-my-kids-getting-maimed/killed. Sorry to disappoint you, but it's true.
    If your kids are hanging around apartments in Warren, there are many greater risks than dogs.
  • rmolin73
    Never let them get a drivers license then.
  • chicago510
    Steel Valley Football;1207129 wrote:The odds of this occurring are irrelevant. I also wouldn't be carrying the tool everywhere I go, rather only at the park or another outdoor activity like a street festival downtown Columbus. Or in Warren at my parents, which is near an apartment complex loaded with pit bulls that sometimes get loose.

    As far as handing a pit bull that has latched onto my child, the dog has to die instantly IMO. Not in one minute or in two minutes from me beating it with my fists or kicking it while it's still has it's jaws locked on the child. Nor, with an irate pit bull owner possibly trying to stop me from hurting his dog. There are too many variables. The dog must die immediately.

    Also, regarding the odds. You can't calculate the odds. They change based on where you live. My odds in Worthington are very very different than my odds in Warren or Youngstown. Trust me.

    You have bigger issues than pit bulls buddy.
  • Steel Valley Football
    Each and every one of you would do the exact same thing to protect your young children. Anything else you post is complete BS for the OC gang.
  • BR1986FB
    Steel Valley Football;1207241 wrote:Each and every one of you would do the exact same thing to protect your young children. Anything else you post is complete BS for the OC gang.
    Well, first off...I'm not paranoid, like you. Secondly, I'm not a dumbass who would take my kid around a dog if I thought that dog were dangerous and finally, no....I would not scour the internet looking for weapons so I could get my jollies killing a dog.
  • Al Bundy
    Steel Valley Football;1207241 wrote:Each and every one of you would do the exact same thing to protect your young children. Anything else you post is complete BS for the OC gang.
    If it is simply about protecting your kids from a dog that might get away from its owner, buy some pepper spray.
  • WebFire
    I'm staying out the Pit Bull argument, but I do find it amusing that some of you think killing a dog, or even stopping an attack, with your bare hands is something so easy to do.
  • Steel Valley Football
    BR1986FB;1207245 wrote:Well, first off...I'm not paranoid, like you. Secondly, I'm not a dumbass who would take my kid around a dog if I thought that dog were dangerous and finally, no....I would not scour the internet looking for weapons so I could get my jollies killing a dog.
    My guess is:

    1) you don't live an area with high pit ownership.

    2) you don't have kids.
  • BR1986FB
    Steel Valley Football;1207276 wrote:My guess is:

    1) you don't live an area with high pit ownership.

    2) you don't have kids.
    Whether someone HAS kids or doesn't really has nothing to do with this. If YOU feel that the dogs are dangerous and YOU'RE taking them TO these places, YOU are the one putting YOUR kid(s) in danger. Simple solution...avoid the area. It's common jackass sense.
  • Steel Valley Football
    Al Bundy;1207246 wrote:If it is simply about protecting your kids from a dog that might get away from its owner, buy some pepper spray.
    Pepper spray would:

    1) not stop the attack

    2) possibly get in my eyes/nose/throat as well as my kids and other kids.
  • LJ
    Steel Valley Football;1207280 wrote:Pepper spray would:

    1) not stop the attack

    2) possibly get in my eyes/nose/throat as well as my kids and other kids.
    Good dog spray is extremely effective.
  • Steel Valley Football
    BR1986FB;1207279 wrote:Whether someone HAS kids or doesn't really has nothing to do with this. If YOU feel that the dogs are dangerous and YOU'RE taking them TO these places, YOU are the one putting YOUR kid(s) in danger. Simple solution...avoid the area. It's common jackass sense.
    Aren't you the same guy who got all hell bent out of shape for me taking a glock to a park and then apologized for not understanding the scenario being described?

    If so, then what part of your current plan of "avoiding areas" deals with loose pits like the one five houses down from my parents?

    If you would have read my posted link, you would have read about the 8 yr old boy attacked at the bus stop by THREE loose roaming pits at 8am. That followed a 5am attack by the same three dogs on a newspaper carrier. All three dogs were killed by police shotguns. This was very close to where I grew up.

    Now please tell me more about your "plan".
  • Steel Valley Football
    LJ;1207290 wrote:Good dog spray is extremely effective.
    Especially in New Albany.

    Bear spray is better.
  • O-Trap
    Steel Valley Football;1207186 wrote:If it were up to me, I would never even see a pit. I have no desire to kill anything, let alone in front of my two young children.
    Why would "seeing" a pit, even near your children, cause you to need to kill it?

    It is sad. Very sad. So are fatal auto accidents with young people driving. Bet I can find more stories on that than you can on pit bull breeds attacking and/or mauling anyone.

    Odds have everything to do with safety. When you allow your child to get their license, you're rolling the dice with the fact that they may get into a serious or fatal car accident. It happens at a far higher per capita rate than pits who kill. So many things in life have risks. You have to assess them, and it makes no sense to say that one, isolated risk has nothing to do with the odds when you'll live your life as though the rest do. It's logically inconsistent.

    There are 4.5 million registered pit bulls. The average estimates I've seen for non-registered has been between a million and three million. We'll assume low, given that it is the closest I've seen to being in line with the view that the breed is dangerous. That would equate to a total of 5.5 million pit bulls in the United States. In the last ten years, an average of just over five of them are responsible for deaths. That means that if you see a pit bull, there is a 1 in 1.1 MILLION chance that that dog will kill someone over the course of the year. Let's assume that over the course of the year, the pit bull sees no more than 3 people per day (a pretty conservative estimate, I would think). At that rate, a given pit bull would only come into contact with 1,000 people per year. If your child is one such person, that means your child has a 1 in 1.1 BILLION chance of being killed by any given pit bull you see.

    And this is somehow seen as a dangerous animal? Logically, that makes no sense, given that we subject our children to activities almost daily that have a higher chance of fatality (riding in a car, for example).
    Steel Valley Football;1207202 wrote:I gathered yesterday that he is anti-pit. I barely read in the basement which is why I posted this here. I'm only anti-my-kids-getting-maimed/killed. Sorry to disappoint you, but it's true.
    Someone indifferent to pit bulls probably wouldn't say that, if it were up to them, they'd never see a pit. Someone indifferent would say, "If it were up to me, I don't care whether I see a pit or not."
    rmolin73;1207207 wrote:Never let them get a drivers license then.

    Teen drivers: More dangerous than pit bulls. Especially if you go by the numbers.
    Steel Valley Football;1207241 wrote:Each and every one of you would do the exact same thing to protect your young children. Anything else you post is complete BS for the OC gang.
    I'd stay close to my child with ANY dog nearby. If the dog showed the slightest sign of being spooked or getting upset, I'm picking my young child up. If the dog so much as scratches my child, the dog will be pulled away, pinned, and my hand will be around its throat (pretty easy to kill a dog by crushing its trachea ... and it doesn't take a minute).
    Al Bundy;1207246 wrote:If it is simply about protecting your kids from a dog that might get away from its owner, buy some pepper spray.
    Or, you know, don't go where you know that you see dogs roaming free without leashes. It's like the joke about getting killed by bees. If you see a bush with bees buzzing all around it, do you go near the bush? Of course not. That's stupid.

    If you see dogs roaming free, do you allow your kids to continue to play in that area, or do you take your kids somewhere else?

    This isn't difficult. I would think that if you you have some deep-seeded fear, justified or not, it's not too difficult to avoid the confrontation, rather than try to figure out what to do IN a confrontation.
  • Steel Valley Football
    LJ;1207290 wrote:Good dog spray is extremely effective.

    Btw, not after the latch occurs.
  • BR1986FB
    Steel Valley Football;1207299 wrote:Aren't you the same guy who got all hell bent out of shape for me taking a glock to a park and then apologized for not understanding the scenario being described?

    If so, then what part of your current plan of "avoiding areas" deals with loose pits like the one five houses down from my parents?

    If you would have read my posted link, you would have read about the 8 yr old boy attacked at the bus stop by THREE loose roaming pits at 8am. That followed a 5am attack by the same three dogs on a newspaper carrier. All three dogs were killed by police shotguns. This was very close to where I grew up.

    Now please tell me more about your "plan".
    I'm talking about you wanting to take your kids to the basketball courts where that guy supposedly let's his pit run loose. You CAN avoid that but it sounds like you CHOOSE not to. If you have a rampant pit bull "problem" on your street, have animal control take care of it.
  • O-Trap
    Steel Valley Football;1207307 wrote:Btw, not after the latch occurs.
    Latch? You mean when the dog bites?

    It's no different than any other dog, and yes, it is effective after the bite.
  • LJ
    Steel Valley Football;1207307 wrote:Btw, not after the latch occurs.
    Thank you Steel Valley Football, DVM.

    The real experts disagree
  • BR1986FB
    Steel Valley Football;1207307 wrote:Btw, not after the latch occurs.
    And you know this, HOW?
  • LJ
    BTW, there is no such thing as a "latch" or "locking jaws"
  • Steel Valley Football
    O-trap,

    You started on the completely wrong foot. Someone said It sounds like I just want to kill a pit.

    My response was I never want to see one.

    Btw, you won't win this debate with long drawn out posts because it's not a debate on anything you posted.
  • Al Bundy
    Steel Valley Football;1207280 wrote:
    2) possibly get in my eyes/nose/throat as well as my kids and other kids.
    You aren't smart enough to shoot the spray in the right direction? No wonder the Warren state report card has the scores that it does.