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thesystem

Or the story of Horus, which dates back to 3000 A.D. You know the deity who mirrored the story of christ almost exactly.

Christians are not going to come out and say 'yeah, our religion was copied from others. The messiah, symbolism (lots of pagan symbols used), attire, holidays (most pagan holiday dates stolen to be replaced with christian holidays - largely to make it easier for them to convert), and so on were all taken from other religions'. They're going to discount any research that has been done to show them otherwise, and tell you their research is the truth.

Horus - 3000 BC - Egypt
born on the 25th of dec
from a virgin
3 kings
teacher at 12
12 disciples
miracles
crucified
dead 3 days
resurrected

Attis - 1200 BC - Greece
born on the 25th of dec
from a virgin
crucified
dead 3 days
resurrected

Krishna - 900 BC - India
from a virgin
performed miracles
resurrected

Dionysus - 500 BC - Greece
from a virgin
on the 25th of dec
performed miracles
resurrected

Mithra - 1200 BC - Persia
from a virgin
on dec 25th
12 disciples
performed miracles
dead 3 days
resurrected
worshipped on sunday

NNN

thesystem wrote: Or the story of Horus, which dates back to 3000 A.D. You know the deity who mirrored the story of christ almost exactly.

I'll wait 990 years for the arrival of Horus then.

Christians are not going to come out and say 'yeah, our religion was copied from others. The messiah, symbolism (lots of pagan symbols used), attire, holidays (most pagan holiday dates stolen to be replaced with christian holidays - largely to make it easier for them to convert), and so on were all taken from other religions'. They're going to discount any research that has been done to show them otherwise, and tell you their research is the truth.

Ah, of course. Your sources are unbiased and trustworthy, mine are tainted.

Certainly there's no disputing the mixing of holidays, but hell, that has absolutely nothing to do with this issue. We're talking about basic doctrinal foundations, you're talking about the minor details.

Horus - 3000 BC - Egypt
born on the 25th of dec
from a virgin
3 kings
teacher at 12
12 disciples
miracles
crucified
dead 3 days
resurrected

Osiris was dismembered, Isis collected the parts and formed a golden dildo, and while pleasuring herself, conceived Horus.

Or you can just read this.

http://hnn.us/articles/6641.html

Attis - 1200 BC - Greece
born on the 25th of dec
from a virgin
crucified
dead 3 days
resurrected

Born not of a virgin, but born of a woman sticking an almond in herself. There's also nothing to suggest that he was crucified, dead 3 days, or resurrected.

Krishna - 900 BC - India
from a virgin
performed miracles
resurrected

No source has Krishna as being born of a virgin. The most open-ended says that he is believed to have been born without a sexual union, which is another matter entirely.

Dionysus - 500 BC - Greece
from a virgin
on the 25th of dec
performed miracles
resurrected

There are two stories of the origin of Dionysus. One is that he was born of Zeus and Persephone, the other of Zeus and Semele. In one case, Semele was burned up in fire and Zeus took the fetus and sewed it into his thigh. In the other, the Titans ate him and left the heart, which was either implanted into Semele or given to her to eat. Neither case involves the assertion that the mother was a virgin.

Yeah, I'm seeing some real Christian parallels here.

Mithra - 1200 BC - Persia
from a virgin
on dec 25th
12 disciples
performed miracles
dead 3 days
resurrected
worshipped on sunday

If you're going to copy and paste, try not to mention ones I've already addressed above.

buckeyefalls

By the way, copy/pasting is a violation of the law if you don't credit your sources.

thesystem,

Wow, what a terrible job you do. I would take more time to respond to you, but I can see you weren't typing because you seriously believe all that crap you stole from other places; rather, just tryiing to irritate those of us who do believe. Guess what, not bothering me today.

All I will say is that you are wrong on so many levels:

Jesus didn't claim to be God? You even start with a mistake. Even non-believers know that He did. "I and the Father are one!"

Again, I could go on, but unless you actually post something relevant to the discussion that you didn't steal from another place, not worth my time.

thesystem

buckeyefalls wrote: By the way, copy/pasting is a violation of the law if you don't credit your sources.

thesystem,

Wow, what a terrible job you do. I would take more time to respond to you, but I can see you weren't typing because you seriously believe all that crap you stole from other places; rather, just tryiing to irritate those of us who do believe. Guess what, not bothering me today.

All I will say is that you are wrong on so many levels:

Jesus didn't claim to be God? You even start with a mistake. Even non-believers know that He did. "I and the Father are one!"

Again, I could go on, but unless you actually post something relevant to the discussion that you didn't steal from another place, not worth my time.

I can't remember copying and pasting anything.

Jesus was the supposedly the son of god.
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."

- bible (there's your quote)

You can believe whatever you want to believe. I just think it's batsh!t insane. The best part is how christians will call all other beliefs completely crazy while they believe some of the things they do. It's actually quite comical.

buckeyefalls

I'm not calling other beliefs crazy. All I can tell you is that all their "gods" are dead and STILL dead. Mine can't be found in a grave buddy.

(unless he's buried with Jimmy)....

Your John 3:16 quote is just one verse in the same Gospel which Jesus claims to be the same as the Father. They are 3 distinct beings, but one in Divinity.

Consider an analogy of water. What is water?

H2O

If you freeze water, it becomes ice, but NEVER loses its H2O qualities. It serves a different purpose now as ice.

Same as steam...it becomes steam, but NEVER loses its H2O qualities. It serves a different purpose as well, but always remains H2O, just like ice.

They are 3 different "forms" but still take on 1 general make-up.

Same can be said of God. Jesus and the Spirit are different. They play different roles, serve different purposes; however, they NEVER lose the fact that they are of God and from God.

By the way, I'll gladly interact with you if you are being serious.

Big_Mirg_ZHS

buckeyefalls wrote: I'm not calling other beliefs crazy. All I can tell you is that all their "gods" are dead and STILL dead. Mine can't be found in a grave buddy. (unless he's buried with Jimmy)....

Your John 3:16 quote is just one verse in the same Gospel which Jesus claims to be the same as the Father. They are 3 distinct beings, but one in Divinity.

Consider an analogy of water. What is water?

H2O

If you freeze water, it becomes ice, but NEVER loses its H2O qualities. It serves a different purpose now as ice.

Same as steam...it becomes steam, but NEVER loses its H2O qualities. It serves a different purpose as well, but always remains H2O, just like ice.

They are 3 different "forms" but still take on 1 general make-up.

Same can be said of God. Jesus and the Spirit are different. They play different roles, serve different purposes; however, they NEVER lose the fact that they are of God and from God.

By the way, I'll gladly interact with you if you are being serious.

Maybe he cant be found in a grave because he never really existed???

buckeyefalls

Then that really is a bummer Big_Mirg for all these people (i.e. thesystem, Fairwood, etc.) who want to claim historical references as to why Christianity was made up. Because, see, if they do that, then they have to claim historical evidence from non-believers around 20 AD and beyond who claim to have seen Jesus and only call him a prophet and not the Messiah. That would sure mess up most of history, wouldn't it?

I mean, non-religious people can claim Jesus never existed, but that would be as foolish as me saying George Washington never existed since I've never seen him. Even non-Christian historians believe a man walked on the earth claiming to be God named Jesus in the early AD time frame.

I love when people try to re-write history. It's okay if you don't want to claim Him as your Lord or call Him God, but to totally deny he existed really shows ignorance.

buckeyefalls

thesystem,

May I ask a question....serious one.

Why do you label things BC and AD if Christ never existed?

Can I assume that you believe that He at least existed? Maybe you don't believe He was God or that a "God" exists, but do you believe a man named Jesus Christ walked the earth nearly 2,000 years ago? Just trying to figure out where you are in your stage of life.

buckeyefalls

thesystem,

Not that you'll spend time reading any of these, but here are some links that if you, or others, really want to know the truth, can go to.

Your comments about Horus are absolutely false. No where can you find the things you listed about him above as true in historical documentation (Egyptian or elsewhere). Please stop posting things from Philosophy 101 that can't even be backed up by facts!

http://www.kingdavid8.com/Copycat/Home.html

http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/osy.html

I can find more if you want. By the way, I like what the guy from the first site is offering. He'll pay you $1,000 to ANYONE who can prove that comments like yours above about individuals such as Horus are true.

Big_Mirg_ZHS

buckeyefalls wrote: Then that really is a bummer Big_Mirg for all these people (i.e. thesystem, Fairwood, etc.) who want to claim historical references as to why Christianity was made up. Because, see, if they do that, then they have to claim historical evidence from non-believers around 20 AD and beyond who claim to have seen Jesus and only call him a prophet and not the Messiah. That would sure mess up most of history, wouldn't it?

I mean, non-religious people can claim Jesus never existed, but that would be as foolish as me saying George Washington never existed since I've never seen him. Even non-Christian historians believe a man walked on the earth claiming to be God named Jesus in the early AD time frame.

I love when people try to re-write history. It's okay if you don't want to claim Him as your Lord or call Him God, but to totally deny he existed really shows ignorance.

To totally deny every other view point shows ignorance. Which is what you're doing.

Big_Mirg_ZHS

buckeyefalls wrote: thesystem,

Not that you'll spend time reading any of these, but here are some links that if you, or others, really want to know the truth, can go to.

Your comments about Horus are absolutely false. No where can you find the things you listed about him above as true in historical documentation (Egyptian or elsewhere). Please stop posting things from Philosophy 101 that can't even be backed up by facts!

http://www.kingdavid8.com/Copycat/Home.html

http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/osy.html

I can find more if you want. By the way, I like what the guy from the first site is offering. He'll pay you $1,000 to ANYONE who can prove that comments like yours above about individuals such as Horus are true.

Half the stuff you have posted cant be backed up by facts either.

buckeyefalls

I haven't denied every other point of view Big_Mirg. I am open to "logical discussion" but a point of view based on ignorance and no factual support...I will deny!

Big_Mirg_ZHS wrote:
buckeyefalls wrote: Then that really is a bummer Big_Mirg for all these people (i.e. thesystem, Fairwood, etc.) who want to claim historical references as to why Christianity was made up. Because, see, if they do that, then they have to claim historical evidence from non-believers around 20 AD and beyond who claim to have seen Jesus and only call him a prophet and not the Messiah. That would sure mess up most of history, wouldn't it?

I mean, non-religious people can claim Jesus never existed, but that would be as foolish as me saying George Washington never existed since I've never seen him. Even non-Christian historians believe a man walked on the earth claiming to be God named Jesus in the early AD time frame.

I love when people try to re-write history. It's okay if you don't want to claim Him as your Lord or call Him God, but to totally deny he existed really shows ignorance.
To totally deny every other view point shows ignorance. Which is what you're doing.

buckeyefalls

So Big Mirg, what is one to do? They must accept what they believe is true based on faith and some evidence.

1. I can prove an empty tomb.
2. I can prove a man named Jesus Christ once walked the earth.
3. He claimed to be God.

Why is it when non-believers post material, it is accepted by people like you as "Gospel" (play on words) but when Christians refute their material by PROVING that literature doesn't exist to support claims such as Horus', etc. we are quickly told we can't back it up by facts.

The scenerio of Horus and others was brought to the table as an argument that Christianity is a mirrored religion and made-up.

There IS proof that no such literature exists to support the "false" statements about Horus. If there IS proof that literature exists, prove it to me! Heck, maybe I'll even throw in some of my own money to you.

I'm VERY confident you can't find literature to support such claims unless written by a philosophy student who just accepts whatever Tom, Dick and Harry professor they had tells them is true.

buckeyefalls

And, if 1/2 of what I said can't be backed up, show me what half Mirg. Don't enter the kitchen if you can't stand the heat or do a little "cooking" yourself.

Society

It's obvious that fairwoodking and bigmirg do not want to accept Jesus as Real because they are sinners. Deal with it. You both fail at life.

justincredible

Society wrote: It's obvious that fairwoodking and bigmirg do not want to accept Jesus as Real because they are sinners. Deal with it. You both fail at life.

Everyone is a sinner.

FairwoodKing

Society wrote: It's obvious that fairwoodking and bigmirg do not want to accept Jesus as Real because they are sinners. Deal with it. You both fail at life.

I haven't failed at anything, you dumb asshole.

I believe Jesus was a man who walked the earth 2000 years ago and tried to convince people that he was the messiah. He wasn't the only one claiming to be the messiah and to be of a virgin birth. If you wanted to be the messiah, you had to claim to be of a virgin birth because that was part of the ancient prophesy. Yes, some people did believe him. But so what? Even in today's world, people can be brainwashed very easily. Look at what Hitler did.

As far as sin is concerned, it is a man-made concept used to keep people in line. According to the Bible, eating pork chops is a sin. I enjoy my pork chops and I don't worry about it.

eersandbeers

buckeyefalls wrote: So Big Mirg, what is one to do? They must accept what they believe is true based on faith and some evidence.

1. I can prove an empty tomb.
2. I can prove a man named Jesus Christ once walked the earth.
3. He claimed to be God.

Why is it when non-believers post material, it is accepted by people like you as "Gospel" (play on words) but when Christians refute their material by PROVING that literature doesn't exist to support claims such as Horus', etc. we are quickly told we can't back it up by facts.

The scenerio of Horus and others was brought to the table as an argument that Christianity is a mirrored religion and made-up.

There IS proof that no such literature exists to support the "false" statements about Horus. If there IS proof that literature exists, prove it to me! Heck, maybe I'll even throw in some of my own money to you.

I'm VERY confident you can't find literature to support such claims unless written by a philosophy student who just accepts whatever Tom, Dick and Harry professor they had tells them is true.

The evidence that a man named Jesus and a God named Horus existed are the same.

Outside of biblical sources, there is no evidence a man named Jesus even existed. If there was a man walking around performing all these miracles don't you think his named would have been mentioned in numerous historical documents?

The story of Horus is brought up because the events in the life of Jesus almost exactly mirror the events in the life of Horus. Which brings about the question of credibility regarding the tale of Jesus.

buckeyefalls

Fairwood,

Name calling? Didn't know that was allowed here on Ohio Chatter.

Regardless, we see a "dumb" statement by you. Pork chops? Show me where Gentiles are forbidden to eat anything under the New Testament covenantal law.

FairwoodKing wrote:
Society wrote: It's obvious that fairwoodking and bigmirg do not want to accept Jesus as Real because they are sinners. Deal with it. You both fail at life.
I haven't failed at anything, you dumb asshole.

I believe Jesus was a man who walked the earth 2000 years ago and tried to convince people that he was the messiah. He wasn't the only one claiming to be the messiah and to be of a virgin birth. If you wanted to be the messiah, you had to claim to be of a virgin birth because that was part of the ancient prophesy. Yes, some people did believe him. But so what? Even in today's world, people can be brainwashed very easily. Look at what Hitler did.

As far as sin is concerned, it is a man-made concept used to keep people in line. According to the Bible, eating pork chops is a sin. I enjoy my pork chops and I don't worry about it.

buckeyefalls

eersandbeers,

Ignorance again, I tell you. No mention of Jesus outside of Biblical Sources?

Come on, do you really believe what you are writing, or just hope skeptics believe the ignorance?

What about Flavius Josephus in his book of Antiquities? That isn't a Biblical writing.

Tacitus mentions Jesus in his Annals 15.44

Thallus in his history of Eastern Med. world mentions Jesus.

Julius Africanus, Pliny the Younger (governor of Bithynia), and more.

You want me to keep going or are you willing to retract your false claims?

NNN

eersandbeers wrote: The evidence that a man named Jesus and a God named Horus existed are the same.

Outside of biblical sources, there is no evidence a man named Jesus even existed. If there was a man walking around performing all these miracles don't you think his named would have been mentioned in numerous historical documents?

The story of Horus is brought up because the events in the life of Jesus almost exactly mirror the events in the life of Horus. Which brings about the question of credibility regarding the tale of Jesus.

What books of the Bible contain the writings of Suetonius, Pliny the Younger, Tacitus, and Josephus?

You also make the assumption that a miracle worker would be notable to an outsider who is simply recording history. David Koresh claimed to perform miracles, but no one outside of his fringe group would ever describe him as a miracle worker. If his followers had risen up and attempted an insurrection, it would be more newsworthy than what happened. None of the Roman historians believed in the idea of a true religion outside of what they believed and thus would have no concept of what was happening except for what they recorded, which was the fact that in the first century AD, a group of people who believed in the divinity of Jesus were making inroads into Rome.

FairwoodKing

buckeyefalls wrote: Fairwood,

Name calling? Didn't know that was allowed here on Ohio Chatter.

Regardless, we see a "dumb" statement by you. Pork chops? Show me where Gentiles are forbidden to eat anything under the New Testament covenantal law.

FairwoodKing wrote:
Society wrote: It's obvious that fairwoodking and bigmirg do not want to accept Jesus as Real because they are sinners. Deal with it. You both fail at life.
I haven't failed at anything, you dumb asshole.

I believe Jesus was a man who walked the earth 2000 years ago and tried to convince people that he was the messiah. He wasn't the only one claiming to be the messiah and to be of a virgin birth. If you wanted to be the messiah, you had to claim to be of a virgin birth because that was part of the ancient prophesy. Yes, some people did believe him. But so what? Even in today's world, people can be brainwashed very easily. Look at what Hitler did.

As far as sin is concerned, it is a man-made concept used to keep people in line. According to the Bible, eating pork chops is a sin. I enjoy my pork chops and I don't worry about it.

Ask the Seventh Day Adventists. They are Christians yet they don't eat pork or shellfish. For that matter, they worship on Saturday.

thesystem

buckeyefalls wrote: thesystem,

Not that you'll spend time reading any of these, but here are some links that if you, or others, really want to know the truth, can go to.

Your comments about Horus are absolutely false. No where can you find the things you listed about him above as true in historical documentation (Egyptian or elsewhere). Please stop posting things from Philosophy 101 that can't even be backed up by facts!

http://www.kingdavid8.com/Copycat/Home.html

http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/osy.html

I can find more if you want. By the way, I like what the guy from the first site is offering. He'll pay you $1,000 to ANYONE who can prove that comments like yours above about individuals such as Horus are true.

You're right. I imagine it is just folklore that has been passed on through the ages. I'm sure anything from any other religion is as believable as Noah's Ark, Moses parting the sea, a man rising from the dead, and turning water into wine.

To clear up some of your questions about me and my beliefs.

Sure. I buy the fact that a man named Jesus walked the earth around 2,000 years ago claiming to be the son of god. Probably quite a few named Jesus in particular since that was a common name during that period.

I don't, however, buy the fact that he was anything other than a man.

Why on earth would they leave the remains of Jesus in his tomb? Being one of the selling points for their story, you have to know that body was removed and taken elsewhere.

Begging for facts about one 'son of a god' who was born of a virgin, on dec. 25th, performed miracles, was resurrected, etc, while being unable to provide facts about another is pointless....and ridiculous. Largely because both stories are insane.

buckeyefalls

Not much time to respond now but there weren't many then named "Jesus". It wasn't Mexico my friend. lol.

At least we can agree at a starting point that someone named Jesus claimed to be God.

Oh, the ole "someone stole the body" trick.

1. Why would His followers do it and risk their own lives?
2. Why would His enemies do it and risk the resurrection story to be true?

Got many more for you but at a later day. Thanks for your honesty.

By the way, whoever mentioned it above....the Seventh Day Adventists don't represent normal Christianity. While Christians, they have their own set of rules. Again, I'd ask them, just like I ask you, where does the Bible say they can't do any of those things?

Society

FairwoodKing wrote:
Society wrote: It's obvious that fairwoodking and bigmirg do not want to accept Jesus as Real because they are sinners. Deal with it. You both fail at life.
I haven't failed at anything, you dumb asshole.

I believe Jesus was a man who walked the earth 2000 years ago and tried to convince people that he was the messiah. He wasn't the only one claiming to be the messiah and to be of a virgin birth. If you wanted to be the messiah, you had to claim to be of a virgin birth because that was part of the ancient prophesy. Yes, some people did believe him. But so what? Even in today's world, people can be brainwashed very easily. Look at what Hitler did.

As far as sin is concerned, it is a man-made concept used to keep people in line. According to the Bible, eating pork chops is a sin. I enjoy my pork chops and I don't worry about it.

Hahaha....if only we were allowed to call names, like a faggot.

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