Ford to start hiring at reduced wage

• Manhattan Buckeye

  "......allow the auto makers to fill jobs vacated by older workers who leave or retire with new hires earning a little more than $14 an hour on average—about half what current workers received when they started. Newer workers also get reduced benefits. "
  
  Did the UAW concede to reduced pensions or reductions of gold-plated health insurance costs that are sucking wind from the automakers? If not it appears that Big Union is just as supportive of generational theft as "Big Government." There was a fantastic, and fairly evenhanded, article in the AP several months ago following the stories of 3 generations of UAW workers (for Ford in Michigan to my recollection) that showcases this trend. The "grandfather" was a retiree, union leader and political advocate that enjoyed a lifetime of high wages, weekends hunting, playing golf and visiting the beach, ample vacation time and complete retirement security, the "father" who was in his 40's that was anxious about the future of the company and was contemplating accepting a buy-out, and the early 20-ish "son" that didn't go to college (family were always UAW people that would take care of him) that was struggling to maintain an entry level wage (which was probably close to $14/hour) and was wondering if he would ever make enough to support a family.
  
  Again, the article was very fair, it didn't paint any of them as bad, lazy or overly ignorant, but it did show the cluelessness of all generations that this golden egg could last forever without ramifications or consequences, and evidenced that regardless of the propaganda machine Big Labor perpetuates, unions are not there to support ALL workers, just the workers in power and are politically connected.
• voewoody

  

  $30K in Chicago will not go near as far as $30k in Ohio. Either way it is good the auto industry is looking up a little bit, hopefully GM and Chrysler are close behind.
• tsst_fballfan

  

  The wondrous UAW conceded to half the wages for new hires. Wanna take a guess on whether they agreed to only charge the new hires half the standard dues to be forcibly assimilated in to their useless organization?
• ytownfootball

  

  The best thing to do is get rid of it (union) but it's a useless organization?
  
  Little contradictory don't you think?
• queencitybuckeye

  ytownfootball wrote: The best thing to do is get rid of it (union) but it's a useless organization?
  
  Little contradictory don't you think?

  Not at all. Often, a union will impede progress for the company, while at the same time, add no particular benefit for the work force.
• Tinkertrain

  From my expierence as a low level supervisor at a large factory the absolute worst factory workers are those with high levels of education. They tend to think they know everything, whine incessently and always seem to think they know how to do your job better than you do even as they are screwing up their easier job's that carry little to no responability with them.
  
  If I were hiring for ford i'd automatically throw out any application with a four year degree on it. By and large those with degree's do not posess the single most important thing when it comes too assembly line work and thats Mental Discipline.
• ytownfootball

  

  It may not add, but it maintains.
• ytownfootball

  

  Tinkertrain wrote: From my expierence as a low level supervisor at a large factory the absolute worst factory workers are those with high levels of education. They tend to think they know everything, whine incessently and always seem to think they know how to do your job better than you do even as they are screwing up their easier job's that carry little to no responability with them.
  
  If I were hiring for ford i'd automatically throw out any application with a four year degree on it. By and large those with degree's do not posess the single most important thing when it comes too assembly line work and thats Mental Discipline.

  Yeah, those knuckle dragging, mouth breathers are more easily managed. I might suggest that your companies lower level management hiring process failed in its ability to hire the best possible candidates, namely, those that can communicate effectively.
• sleeper

  

  Bigdogg wrote: Those of you who despise unions would be wise to go back and read history before unions existed.

  And those of you who support unions should be proud of what you have accomplished but also realize that unions are destroying the ability for Americans to be competitive in a global market, and are no longer needed to keep American workers safe.
• ytownfootball

  

  Unions just make it easily justifiable for companies to move operations off shore.
  
  When you see a spoiled brat that has been given everything he has demanded by his parents, who do you blame more the spoiled little shit or the parents who gave in to every demand?
  
  It's a two way street.
• GoChiefs

  

  sleeper wrote: And those of you who support unions should be proud of what you have accomplished but also realize that unions are destroying the ability for Americans to be competitive in a global market, and are no longer needed to keep American workers safe.

  This. Unions were once great. Not anymore. They don't care about the 'union workers'. They just care about lining their own pockets. Called my union president for an issue a couple weeks ago b/c I'm getting screwed where I'm laid off. He tells me he'll look into it and get back to me. Well..2 weeks later..still haven't heard from him.
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  GoChiefs wrote:
  
  This. Unions were once great. Not anymore. They don't care about the 'union workers'. They just care about lining their own pockets. Called my union president for an issue a couple weeks ago b/c I'm getting screwed where I'm laid off. He tells me he'll look into it and get back to me. Well..2 weeks later..still haven't heard from him.

  Joe's busy, he doesn't have time for u.
• GoChiefs

  

  ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote: Joe's busy, he doesn't have time for u.

  Yeah..that's pretty obvious. Why would he care about one of his 'union brothers'?
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  GoChiefs wrote:

  ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote: Joe's busy, he doesn't have time for u.

  Yeah..that's pretty obvious. Why would he care about one of his 'union brothers'?

  bigger fish to fry
• GoChiefs

  

  ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote: bigger fish to fry

  He could have just told me that in the first place!
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  GoChiefs wrote:

  ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote: bigger fish to fry

  He could have just told me that in the first place!

  he figured u knew.
• GoChiefs

  

  ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote: he figured u knew.

  Silly me. How dare I expect him to do his job as an elected official huh?
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  Well don't vote for him then obv.
• GoChiefs

  

  I didn't actually. Lol
• LJ

  

  get a room
• CenterBHSFan

  

  GoChiefs wrote:

  sleeper wrote: And those of you who support unions should be proud of what you have accomplished but also realize that unions are destroying the ability for Americans to be competitive in a global market, and are no longer needed to keep American workers safe.

  This. Unions were once great. Not anymore. They don't care about the 'union workers'. They just care about lining their own pockets. Called my union president for an issue a couple weeks ago b/c I'm getting screwed where I'm laid off. He tells me he'll look into it and get back to me. Well..2 weeks later..still haven't heard from him.

  
  Absolutely correct on both accounts.
  
  Today, unions are an insatiable beast!!
• Bigdogg

  A good well run company that treats their employees fairly and as partners doesn't need a union. For those of you who do not think that the pendulum will eventually swing back towards organized labor for all those outsourced jobs overseas underestimate human nature.
• wes_mantooth

  

  sleeper wrote:

  Bigdogg wrote: Those of you who despise unions would be wise to go back and read history before unions existed.

  And those of you who support unions should be proud of what you have accomplished but also realize that unions are destroying the ability for Americans to be competitive in a global market, and are no longer needed to keep American workers safe.

  I agree with this. I think for the most part, unions served there purpose and are no longer needed(not in all situations, but most). Now, it seems like most companies keep the wages/benefits up to keep the workforce from wanting a union involved. My dad was very big on unions(he was a life long coalminer), but his field doesn't have the need for them anymore even though that union still exists.
• bduq37

  Zwick,
  
  Are you "Joe" ?
• I Wear Pants

  This is a job that doesn't require a degree. People saying "but many of the applicants will have degrees" are missing the point.
  
  If Walmart starts hiring greeters with degrees it doesn't mean that a Walmart greeter is a "skilled" or "educated" position.
  
  $30,000 is a great salary for people without a degree. More than fair.