Your Opinion: Why Aren't Things "Made in USA" Anymore?

• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  U know I'm just givin u shit about of the jap car. It has nothing to do with why things aren't made here anymore.
• dlazz

  CenterBHSFan wrote:

  gorocks99 wrote: And Walmart.

  
  I HATEEEEEEEEEEEEE Walmart.
  They don't sell any good jeans in tall sizes.
  And sometimes, I just don't want to wear cotton.
  I don't want to search for a parking space.
  It's not layed out in a good scheme.
  I hate the people that I see there.
  I like to buy groceries at a grocery store, deli, or a market.

  Cool story, bro. Thanks for the great insight to the thread.
• ernest_t_bass

  

  CenterBHSFan wrote: It's not layed out in a good scheme.

  Actually, it's laid out in a PERFECT scheme... for them. Why make it easy on the consumer? They want you to travel all over their store to find what you want. That way, you buy the stuff you don't NEED!
  
  I know... I'm just stating the obvious.
• queencitybuckeye

  Our government passes job killer bills like the one they're currently working on, and then some deep thinkers accuse companies of being unpatriotic. This "logic" would be the equivalent of me walking into your living room, taking a dump on the floor, and telling you that you're a bad housekeeper.
• ernest_t_bass

  

  ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote: U know I'm just givin u shit about of the jap car. It has nothing to do with why things aren't made here anymore.

  Yep. I respect yours and anyone else's opinion on buying Detroit cars. In your own mind, it is the same way that I view buying a Honda. Both valid.
• CenterBHSFan

  

  dlazz wrote:

  CenterBHSFan wrote:

  gorocks99 wrote: And Walmart.

  I HATEEEEEEEEEEEEE Walmart.
  They don't sell any good jeans in tall sizes.
  And sometimes, I just don't want to wear cotton.
  I don't want to search for a parking space.
  It's not layed out in a good scheme.
  I hate the people that I see there.
  I like to buy groceries at a grocery store, deli, or a market.

  Cool story, bro. Thanks for the great insight to the thread.

  
  You're welcome!
• BigAppleBuckeye

  

  Because for 8 years , the face of the American brand looked like this:
  
  
  
  Doesn't exactly instill consumer confidence ...
• Pick6

  

  I think this had kind of already been said. But you can thank the first company who ever outsourced(no idea who that is) to why nothing is made in America anymore. The first company that outsourced gained an advantage against its competition in the U.S. because it was able to make and sell their product at a cheaper price. So this started a chain reaction. Businesses are not necessarily outsourcing out of pure greed, they are outsourcing just to compete and survive. And no, the companies are doing nothing wrong with paying employees pennies on the dollar for working. Not every country is like the United States with such a high standard of living.
• ernest_t_bass

  

  BigAppleBuckeye wrote: Because for 8 years , the face of the American brand looked like this:
  
  
  Doesn't exactly instill consumer confidence ...

  
  Not to get political, but I don't trust the "face" of he American brand right now, either.
• Con_Alma

  What's wrong with Walmart?
  
  I think I went into one once time. It was tolerable.
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  Con_Alma wrote: What's wrong with Walmart?
  
  I think I went into one once time. It was tolerable.

  NCF?
  
  I think I went in there 1th time too.
• jordo212000

  

  ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote: Well the obvious answer is competition from foreign markets. Companies can't afford to manufacture products here if they want to stay in business. If X company makes a product for $1 and sells its for 5 and Y company makes its for $4 and sells it for 6, Y isn't long for this world.
  
  Any b/c u buy jap cars.

  The "foreign" automakers are now more American than the American companies. I won't be buying an American car anytime soon for that very reason.
• Sonofanump

  Unskilled unions demanding unreasonable wages and the companies giving it to them thinking they could always keep a profit margin.
  
  plus
  
  Taxation by the government forcing the companies to push those cost onto the consumer making the products cost beyond the normal S/D curve.
  
  equals
  
  Made in 3rd world country
• mcburg93

  

  Im not gonna read all of this thread to see what people have already said. Heres my reason Its cause of the unions. Unions were great years ago, then people started to get greedy. Everyone wanted more pay better insurance, retirement better then anyone's in the country. So for companies to do that that had to have stuff made in other places that didn't need all of the high pay and so forth. The older generation has screwed us younger people over with their greediness. I hate to say it cause I lived a great child hood from all that greediness. Now tons of people are trying to find jobs that pay high money and they arent out there anymore. So there is my reason why things arent made in america
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  jordo212000 wrote: The "foreign" automakers are now more American than the American companies. I won't be buying an American car anytime soon for that very reason.

  And how exactly is this? I love when people make blind statements without the slightest of clues of what they're talking about.
  
  American Auto employs more Americans, has a hire domestic part contents on autos sold in America, has an astronomically larger number of retired Americans on pension...
  
  How exactly are foreign automakers more American again? I'm dying to hear this logic.
• queencitybuckeye

  Sorry, not buying. Blaming the unions is about as current an idea as blaming blacksmiths or milkmen.
• Cleveland Buck

  

  Our inflationary monetary policy and inflationary pressure from government involvement in the free market over the past 90 years has forced us to artficially inflate wages to maintain a decent standard of living. The artificially inflated wages are no where near competitive globally. If the dollar was still worth now what it was 90 years ago and the government's hand hadn't inflated prices, you could make a halfway decent living for yourself making $3 or $4/hr and it wouldn't be cost effective to send these jobs overseas.
• mcburg93

  

  ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:

  jordo212000 wrote: The "foreign" automakers are now more American than the American companies. I won't be buying an American car anytime soon for that very reason.

  And how exactly is this? I love when people make blind statements without the slightest of clues of what they're talking about.
  
  American Auto employs more Americans, has a hire domestic part contents on autos sold in America, has an astronomically larger number of retired Americans on pension...
  
  How exactly are foreign automakers more American again? I'm dying to hear this logic.

  
  
  If you count people working in the plants you might be right. But as far as parts made in the us I would have to say toyota is most american made.
  
  http://www.cars.com/go/advice/Story.jsp?section=top&subject=ami&story=amMade0709
  

  queencitybuckeye wrote: Sorry, not buying. Blaming the unions is about as current an idea as blaming blacksmiths or milkmen.

  You have your opinions but dont be blinded by them
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  mcburg93 wrote:
  
  If you count people working in the plants you might be right. But as far as parts made in the us I would have to say toyota is most american made.
  
  
  You have your opinions but dont be blinded by them

  I already posted on the Huyndai thread about domestic part content.
  
  Honda is the highest with 59% for foreigners. Toyota is only 48%
  
  Ford and GM are both 75% and CHrysler is 74%.
  
  There's no comparison.
• jordo212000

  

  ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:
  How exactly are foreign automakers more American again? I'm dying to hear this logic.

  From the Wall Street Journal; http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123265601944607285.html

  Thomas Klier, an economist with the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago who has studied extensively the realignment of the American auto industry, wrote in an October 2007 paper that as of 2006 about 25% of the parts used in vehicles assembled in the U.S. came from overseas, and another 25% were manufactured here by foreign-owned parts makers. The Detroit companies wave the Stars and Stripes when they advertise their wares or look for loans in Washington, but when they talk to investors or the business press, they stress their aggressive efforts to promote "global sourcing," a code for, "Buy More Parts from China and Mexico."
  
  GM, the most global of the companies with headquarters in Detroit, has highlighted to investors that it now sells more cars (and has more employees) outside the U.S., and that its best opportunities for growth -- assuming the company's restructuring is successful -- are in China, Latin America and other developing markets.

  That's just some of the article, click on it for more
• queencitybuckeye

  mcburg93 wrote: You have your opinions but dont be blinded by them

  I have no idea what the hell it means, but thanks for the advice.
• ZWICK 4 PREZ

  

  jordo212000 wrote:

  ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:
  How exactly are foreign automakers more American again? I'm dying to hear this logic.

  From the Wall Street Journal; http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123265601944607285.html

  Thomas Klier, an economist with the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago who has studied extensively the realignment of the American auto industry, wrote in an October 2007 paper that as of 2006 about 25% of the parts used in vehicles assembled in the U.S. came from overseas, and another 25% were manufactured here by foreign-owned parts makers. The Detroit companies wave the Stars and Stripes when they advertise their wares or look for loans in Washington, but when they talk to investors or the business press, they stress their aggressive efforts to promote "global sourcing," a code for, "Buy More Parts from China and Mexico."
  
  GM, the most global of the companies with headquarters in Detroit, has highlighted to investors that it now sells more cars (and has more employees) outside the U.S., and that its best opportunities for growth -- assuming the company's restructuring is successful -- are in China, Latin America and other developing markets.

  That's just some of the article, click on it for more

  and nothing in that disputes hat the Big 3 still employ more, and manufacture more in America than anyone.
• mcburg93

  

  ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:

  mcburg93 wrote:
  
  If you count people working in the plants you might be right. But as far as parts made in the us I would have to say toyota is most american made.
  
  
  You have your opinions but dont be blinded by them

  I already posted on the Huyndai thread about domestic part content.
  
  Honda is the highest with 59% for foreigners. Toyota is only 48%
  
  Ford and GM are both 75% and CHrysler is 74%.
  
  There's no comparison.

  There is quite the comparison when 4 of the top ten cars made in america is toyotas.
• Con_Alma

  Employ more and manufacture more was not the original point, was it?
  
  It thought defining the amount of U.S. manufactured components in an auto was what was being clarified.
• jordo212000

  

  ZWICK 4 PREZ wrote:
  and nothing in that disputes hat the Big 3 still employ more, and manufacture more in America than anyone.

  The point of the article is that when you look at all the numbers, the only real difference between a foreign car company and the Big 3, is that the Big 3 (save Ford) can go whine and beg for cash in DC. Foreign companies are coming here and more and more, and the American companies are increasingly looking out of country. According to the article GM has more employees outside the US, than they do inside the US