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Orlando Teen Shot by Neighborhood Watch

  • LJ
    mcburg93;1116149 wrote:yes master sorry I expressed my thoughts will never do it again.
    Maybe you shouldn't use bad grammar. We might be so inclined to ban you, because using bad grammar makes us think you are a troll.

    /mcburg
  • mcburg93
    DeyDurkie5;1116141 wrote:If the guy didn't fucking shoot him he would still he alive. how hard is that to understand you dumbfuck?
    In my best LJ voice learn english boy.
  • Mooney44Cards
    Hey guys I'm heading off to the park to snipe joggers. See you in a few hours.
  • LJ
    mcburg93;1116154 wrote:In my best LJ voice learn english boy.
  • Fly4Fun
    LJ;1115850 wrote:Because of stand your ground and castle doctrines, it's harder and harder for an instigator to prove self defense. Because these laws allow you to protect yourself in any means ness., someone who instigates a situation isn't going to get the benefit of the doubt.
    The laws don't allow you to protect yourself with any means necessary. For deadly force there has to be an objective and subjective threat of death or serious bodily injury. However, there are state laws that do modify it for situations like in your home (castle doctrines as you mentioned) but those vary drastically from state to state. For example in Florida I believe you can just pretty much shoot any intruder, even if he is on his way out.
    mcburg93;1116122 wrote:The kid ran making the guy with the gun jumpy in his mind the kid is doing something wrong, obviously the kid did nothing wrong now that we know the story. But at the time the guy prolly full of adrenaline and excited cause he has some authority thinks the kid did something wrong. Gives chase wrestles with the kid then shoots him. The kid did nothing wrong he just provoked this guy. The guy should be guilty of murder in some sort.
    Every mod with the ability should Neg Mcburg as you are either racist or an idiot.

    I'm sorry, but if I'm a 17 year old kid and I'm minding my own business walking home in the dark, and some adult starts coming after me or following me I would most likely start walking faster and eventually run, and if I get caught, I'm sure as hell going to fight.

    There is nothing to justify what this man did. From the OP's article and CNN article, I think some real investigation is necessary (the one Witnesses comment about the boy calling for help but police officer correcting her saying it was Zimmerman). And I really doubt self-defense holds up. And if it does, it's a damn shame. The police believe a person can pretty much just shoot a black kid in a white neighboorhood and call it self defense? If that holds up, I'm ashamed to be an American.
  • mcburg93
    LJ;1116153 wrote:Maybe you shouldn't use bad grammar. We might be so inclined to ban you, because using bad grammar makes us think you are a troll.

    /mcburg
    If bad grammar is gonna get me banned you better ban the whole site.
  • DeyDurkie5
    mcburg93;1116146 wrote:Wow really I express my thoughts and get all this.
    mcburg93;1116149 wrote:yes master sorry I expressed my thoughts will never do it again.
    mcburg93;1116140 wrote:I did read the rules what warranted the attack by you cause I dont have the education of you? Sorry fella just like I see on all other threads if you dont agree with the "friends" look out were gonna get you.
    mcburg93;1116135 wrote:I understand he has no authority. He was told by the cops to stay in his car but he didnt. I don't see whats so difficult to understand what I'm saying. If the kid stands still he would still be a live. Its not the kids fault he did what kids do by running.
    mcburg93;1116154 wrote:In my best LJ voice learn english boy.




  • DeyDurkie5
    mcburg93;1116161 wrote:If bad grammar is gonna get me banned you better ban the whole site.
  • mcburg93
    Fly4Fun;1116160 wrote:The laws don't allow you to protect yourself with any means necessary. For deadly force there has to be an objective and subjective threat of death or serious bodily injury. However, there are state laws that do modify it for situations like in your home (castle doctrines as you mentioned) but those vary drastically from state to state. For example in Florida I believe you can just pretty much shoot any intruder, even if he is on his way out.



    Every mod with the ability should Neg Mcburg as you are either racist or an idiot.

    I'm sorry, but if I'm a 17 year old kid and I'm minding my own business walking home in the dark, and some adult starts coming after me or following me I would most likely start walking faster and eventually run, and if I get caught, I'm sure as hell going to fight.

    There is nothing to justify what this man did. From the OP's article and CNN article, I think some real investigation is necessary (the one Witnesses comment about the boy calling for help but police officer correcting her saying it was Zimmerman). And I really doubt self-defense holds up. And if it does, it's a damn shame. The police believe a person can pretty much just shoot a black kid in a white neighboorhood and call it self defense? If that holds up, I'm ashamed to be an American.
    Im not disagreeing with any of this. I completely agree with you. All Im saying had the boy not run or even talked to the guy from a distance none of this wouldve happened and the kid would be alive. Its a tragic thing that happened I would prolly be just like the kid dead. Cause I wouldve run and fought back. Hindsight being 20/20 Had the kid not run he would prolly still be here.
  • LJ
    Fly4Fun;1116160 wrote:The laws don't allow you to protect yourself with any means necessary. For deadly force there has to be an objective and subjective threat of death or serious bodily injury. However, there are state laws that do modify it for situations like in your home (castle doctrines as you mentioned) but those vary drastically from state to state. For example in Florida I believe you can just pretty much shoot any intruder, even if he is on his way out.
    A lot of southern states have Stand your Ground laws that apply to public places. Basically makes your "castle" your personal space everywhere you go.

    Florida's version
    person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
  • Heretic
    mcburg93;1116161 wrote:If bad grammar is gonna get me banned you better ban the whole site.
    My grammar is immaculate. I get to stay!
  • justincredible
    mcburg93;1116166 wrote:Im not disagreeing with any of this. I completely agree with you. All Im saying had the boy not run or even talked to the guy from a distance none of this wouldve happened and the kid would be alive. Its a tragic thing that happened I would prolly be just like the kid dead. Cause I wouldve run and fought back. Hindsight being 20/20 Had the kid not run he would prolly still be here.
    Hindsight being 20/20 had the guy just stayed in his car like he was told the kid would still be here. You keep going back to the kid running as the reason he is dead. That is not the reason he is dead. He is dead because some jackass overstepped his authority and shot him for no fucking reason.
  • Fly4Fun
    LJ;1116167 wrote:A lot of southern states have Stand your Ground laws that apply to public places. Basically makes your "castle" your personal space everywhere you go.

    Florida's version
    Ya, I know southern states tend to be a bit more "forgiving" with self defense. That's just how it is. But my point is that you can't just use deadly force whenever. Even in the Florida statute you quoted there is a standard: "reasonably believe it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself...".

    I'm surprised it seems to be a totally subjective standard, I wonder if the courts do try to also use an objective standard as well.

    My point: it's not any force necessary, but generally there is a standard. But it's hard to generalize when talking about criminal law as it does vary greatly from state to state typically in regards to regions of the countries.
  • Raw Dawgin' it
    justincredible;1116170 wrote:Hindsight being 20/20 had the guy just stayed in his car like he was told the kid would still be here. You keep going back to the kid running as the reason he is dead. That is not the reason he is dead. He is dead because some jackass overstepped his authority and shot him for no fucking reason.
    Game, set, and match.
  • mcburg93
    justincredible;1116170 wrote:Hindsight being 20/20 had the guy just stayed in his car like he was told the kid would still be here. You keep going back to the kid running as the reason he is dead. That is not the reason he is dead. He is dead because some jackass overstepped his authority and shot him for no fucking reason.


    The kid did nothing wrong. I agree with everything thats been said about the guy. He needs prosecuted to the full extent of the law. He shouldve never got out of his car. He shouldve never pursued the kid. He definitely shouldn't of had a gun.
  • Gblock
    im not even sure the kid ran...no way that fat **** should have been able to catch him right?
  • Heretic
    justincredible;1116170 wrote:Hindsight being 20/20 had the guy just stayed in his car like he was told the kid would still be here. You keep going back to the kid running as the reason he is dead. That is not the reason he is dead. He is dead because some jackass overstepped his authority and shot him for no fucking reason.
    This. The "kid shouldn't have run" argument might have made sense if it was an actual cop AND if the kid was walking with a loaded gun or a toddler's head or something like that. But this? An overzealous jack-off taking neighborhood watches to an insane level? ZERO percent of the blame should be on the teen.
  • LJ
    mcburg93;1116175 wrote: He definitely shouldn't of had a gun.
    Why not?

    Mine is on my hip right now.
  • mcburg93
    LJ;1116180 wrote:Why not?

    Mine is on my hip right now.
    Mines on my hip too.
  • Raw Dawgin' it
    mcburg93;1116175 wrote:The kid did nothing wrong. I agree with everything thats been said about the guy. He needs prosecuted to the full extent of the law. He shouldve never got out of his car. He shouldve never pursued the kid. He definitely shouldn't of had a gun.
    have! for the love of god it's have not of.
  • Raw Dawgin' it
    mcburg93;1116182 wrote:Mines on my hip too.
    ready to mow down some nigros?
  • Mooney44Cards
    mcburg93;1116175 wrote:The kid did nothing wrong.
    If he is innocent, he has no duty to do anything but reasonably protect himself. He did this by running. It was the right thing to do.

    Also, what makes you think that if he didn't run he wouldn't have gotten shot? This guy was quoted as saying "these assholes always get away" before he even confronted the kid. He obviously thought the kid was guilty before he started running so he might have shot him anyways. You saying "if he didn't run, he wouldn't be dead" is not just stupid, it's plain wrong.
  • Automatik
    LJ;1116180 wrote:Why not?

    Mine is on my hip right now.
  • justincredible
    Automatik;1116188 wrote:
    Always good for a lol.
  • mcburg93
    Mooney44Cards;1116185 wrote:If he is innocent, he has no duty to do anything but reasonably protect himself. He did this by running. It was the right thing to do.

    Also, what makes you think that if he didn't run he wouldn't have gotten shot? This guy was quoted as saying "these assholes always get away" before he even confronted the kid. He obviously thought the kid was guilty before he started running so he might have shot him anyways. You saying "if he didn't run, he wouldn't be dead" is not just stupid, it's plain wrong.
    I cant say he wouldnt be dead. Like I said it couldve turned out differently who knows. I have an opinion about a guy that has power issues cause hes part of neighborhood watch. A kid that ran and prolly shouldve ran. He just didnt run fast enough.